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Tom Woods

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Right. My 101 is now almost at the point where its gonna need some
painty stuff putting back on! :)
This weekend i shall be sorting out the last few stubborn bits and
trying to beat out some of the dents, and after that it will be ready.

Due to the unpredictable and unreliable weather its probably going to
take me a few days to paint it which will most likely be spread out
while i wait for the next good weather or time off work.

Firstly - Is it alright to leave an etch-primered vehicle sat outside
for a week or two (or possibly more) before painting anything else
over it?
I presume it will be fine as long as i give it a good scrubbing before
painting over it?

Secondly - Tim or Lee - How much paint did you use on your 101's?

I'm looking at using cellulose, and would quite like to laquer it too
(I didnt laquer my car when i sprayed it and have stone chips after 9
months of daily driving :( )

Hers hoping for a couple of days of sunny calm weather (or winds
blowing away from next door!) in couple of weeks! - else i shall be
rollering rather than spraying so as to not annoy the neighbours!
 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> Secondly - Tim or Lee - How much paint did you use on your 101's?
>
> I'm looking at using cellulose, and would quite like to laquer it too
> (I didnt laquer my car when i sprayed it and have stone chips after 9
> months of daily driving :( )
>
> Hers hoping for a couple of days of sunny calm weather (or winds
> blowing away from next door!) in couple of weeks! - else i shall be
> rollering rather than spraying so as to not annoy the neighbours!

about 2.5 litres per coat.

I'd roller it personally. I had good weather but it would be much simpler to
roller a side at a time... then do the top coat promtly.

I did the lot over 2 days.. etched and primered one day.. top coat the next.
Some bits need flatting before the next top coat is applied.....some bits
need hammering and fillering thanks to a green lane trip where the lane
wasn't as expected Grrrr!!

Bring it to Easntnor...we can have a bring your own roller party.
;-)

Lee


 
Tom Woods wrote:

> Right. My 101 is now almost at the point where its gonna need some
> painty stuff putting back on! :)
> This weekend i shall be sorting out the last few stubborn bits and
> trying to beat out some of the dents, and after that it will be ready.
>
> Due to the unpredictable and unreliable weather its probably going to
> take me a few days to paint it which will most likely be spread out
> while i wait for the next good weather or time off work.
>
> Firstly - Is it alright to leave an etch-primered vehicle sat outside
> for a week or two (or possibly more) before painting anything else
> over it?
> I presume it will be fine as long as i give it a good scrubbing before
> painting over it?
>
> Secondly - Tim or Lee - How much paint did you use on your 101's?
>
> I'm looking at using cellulose, and would quite like to laquer it too
> (I didnt laquer my car when i sprayed it and have stone chips after 9
> months of daily driving :( )
>
> Hers hoping for a couple of days of sunny calm weather (or winds
> blowing away from next door!) in couple of weeks! - else i shall be
> rollering rather than spraying so as to not annoy the neighbours!
I have used two types of etch primer - one specifies that it must be coated
within a matter of hours, the other says it is OK for at least a month -
sorry, can't remember the names of them, best you read the fine print on
the cans!
JD
 
Have used hammerite special metal primer and think it is excellent, if the
vehicle is fully stripped to bare metal then etch primer is the way to go,
however if it requires patch priming then use the hammerite stuff.
As for dent removal, you can anneal the metal before you start pannel
beating and get an almost flawless repair done, but if it is an ambi body
then you will need an assistant.
Hope this helps
"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> Right. My 101 is now almost at the point where its gonna need some
>> painty stuff putting back on! :)
>> This weekend i shall be sorting out the last few stubborn bits and
>> trying to beat out some of the dents, and after that it will be ready.
>>
>> Due to the unpredictable and unreliable weather its probably going to
>> take me a few days to paint it which will most likely be spread out
>> while i wait for the next good weather or time off work.
>>
>> Firstly - Is it alright to leave an etch-primered vehicle sat outside
>> for a week or two (or possibly more) before painting anything else
>> over it?
>> I presume it will be fine as long as i give it a good scrubbing before
>> painting over it?
>>
>> Secondly - Tim or Lee - How much paint did you use on your 101's?
>>
>> I'm looking at using cellulose, and would quite like to laquer it too
>> (I didnt laquer my car when i sprayed it and have stone chips after 9
>> months of daily driving :( )
>>
>> Hers hoping for a couple of days of sunny calm weather (or winds
>> blowing away from next door!) in couple of weeks! - else i shall be
>> rollering rather than spraying so as to not annoy the neighbours!
> I have used two types of etch primer - one specifies that it must be
> coated
> within a matter of hours, the other says it is OK for at least a month -
> sorry, can't remember the names of them, best you read the fine print on
> the cans!
> JD


 
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:49:36 GMT, "Dad" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Have used hammerite special metal primer and think it is excellent, if the
>vehicle is fully stripped to bare metal then etch primer is the way to go,
>however if it requires patch priming then use the hammerite stuff.
>As for dent removal, you can anneal the metal before you start pannel
>beating and get an almost flawless repair done, but if it is an ambi body
>then you will need an assistant.
>Hope this helps

the whole thing is bare metal now!

I cannot really knock out most of the dents as the body is double
skinned and thus i cannot get at them.
I actually found one dent that has been filled by the army!

I am probably just going to fill the worst dents (where the metal is
holed) and leave the rest as they add character! ;)
 
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:55:28 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>about 2.5 litres per coat.
>
>I'd roller it personally. I had good weather but it would be much simpler to
>roller a side at a time... then do the top coat promtly.

I'm beginning to think that rollering might be easier - but how tricky
is it to get paint round all the sticky out bits and rivets and edges?

Did you roller morph? as he looks good!

I will probably have to rethink my colour choices if i roller it
though as im not sure i could get a decent enough finish in gloss.
matt seems more forgiving.

Back to technicolour camo in matt perhaps?

>I did the lot over 2 days.. etched and primered one day.. top coat the next.
>Some bits need flatting before the next top coat is applied.....some bits
>need hammering and fillering thanks to a green lane trip where the lane
>wasn't as expected Grrrr!!

Dents add character!

How many branches did you hit? I though we got that big branch to
slide along the top edge so it didnt do any damage?
>
>Bring it to Easntnor...we can have a bring your own roller party.
>;-)

I'd never be able to get it rewired and MOT'd in time for eastnor!


 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> Did you roller morph? as he looks good!

Nope... but.. you know who was rollered
http://www.lrproject.com/percy/index.html

for the fine detail just go over it first with a small brush such as around
the windows, gutters and alike.. rivets will be sorted in a couple of sweeps
of the roller.


> I will probably have to rethink my colour choices if i roller it
> though as im not sure i could get a decent enough finish in gloss.
> matt seems more forgiving.

If you're insistant on retaining character then yes Matt would be a better
choice or use a matting agent ala Grumble

> Back to technicolour camo in matt perhaps?

> I'd never be able to get it rewired and MOT'd in time for eastnor!

Phew and there was me thinking you were going to duck out of Malvern ;-)

Lee


 
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:13:38 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
>about:
>
>> Did you roller morph? as he looks good!
>
>Nope... but.. you know who was rollered
>http://www.lrproject.com/percy/index.html

so you rollered your etch primer and then sprayed over it?

>for the fine detail just go over it first with a small brush such as around
>the windows, gutters and alike.. rivets will be sorted in a couple of sweeps
>of the roller.
>
>
>> I will probably have to rethink my colour choices if i roller it
>> though as im not sure i could get a decent enough finish in gloss.
>> matt seems more forgiving.
>
>If you're insistant on retaining character then yes Matt would be a better
>choice or use a matting agent ala Grumble

You aint seen the size of some of my dents! I dont reckon i could get
rid of the damage round my air filter box without remaking a lot of
bits.

When i did my 2A i spent ages beating all the dents out and
fillering... but it didnt last so im not sure its worth the time!

I also know how long you spent fillering on morph and i dont want to
spent that long at it!

>> Back to technicolour camo in matt perhaps?
>
>> I'd never be able to get it rewired and MOT'd in time for eastnor!
>
>Phew and there was me thinking you were going to duck out of Malvern ;-)
>
>Lee
>

 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> so you rollered your etch primer and then sprayed over it?

Yup...only using a new roller, they are so cheap they aint worth cleaning

> You aint seen the size of some of my dents! I dont reckon i could get
> rid of the damage round my air filter box without remaking a lot of
> bits.

Sounds like Morphs was.... initial tinkering was with a lump hammer to make
it have edges again... then some fine fettling and a good lump of filler or
two.

I ended up remaking the filter door at Steves... or should I say Steve
produced the parts.

> I also know how long you spent fillering on morph and i dont want to
> spent that long at it!
>

Yeah...sole destroying at the time.

Can't say I blame you tbh.

Lee


 
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:11:49 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> I also know how long you spent fillering on morph and i dont want to
>> spent that long at it!
>>
>
>Yeah...sole destroying at the time.
>
>Can't say I blame you tbh.

I resprayed an entire car last summer. I spent so many hours doing
surface prep on that that i cant face much more!

 

> the whole thing is bare metal now!
>
> I cannot really knock out most of the dents as the body is double
> skinned and thus i cannot get at them.
> I actually found one dent that has been filled by the army!
>
> I am probably just going to fill the worst dents (where the metal is
> holed) and leave the rest as they add character! ;)

The body is not double skinned, the inside isa lined with what is basically
hardboard, if you remove this and the glassfiber lagging you can sort the
bodywork then reinstall the hardboard stuff. Used to be an army mechanic for
7 years and even there there were good and not so mechanics about. If the
body is really bad you could replace whole pannels quite easilt if you talk
to a local light engineering shop, did this on mine as the front corner at
roof height had been hit to the extent the door would not close, and while
wasa at it got a new front pannel fabbed omitting the air duct for the
front intake for the NBC gear, looked much cleaner when done.
Hope this helps.


 
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:08:22 GMT, "Dad" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>> the whole thing is bare metal now!
>>
>> I cannot really knock out most of the dents as the body is double
>> skinned and thus i cannot get at them.
>> I actually found one dent that has been filled by the army!
>>
>> I am probably just going to fill the worst dents (where the metal is
>> holed) and leave the rest as they add character! ;)
>
>The body is not double skinned, the inside isa lined with what is basically
>hardboard, if you remove this and the glassfiber lagging you can sort the
>bodywork then reinstall the hardboard stuff. Used to be an army mechanic for
>7 years and even there there were good and not so mechanics about. If the
>body is really bad you could replace whole pannels quite easilt if you talk
>to a local light engineering shop, did this on mine as the front corner at
>roof height had been hit to the extent the door would not close, and while
>wasa at it got a new front pannel fabbed omitting the air duct for the
>front intake for the NBC gear, looked much cleaner when done.
>Hope this helps.
>
I didnt want to remove all the wall cladding quite yet! I've actually
got all the roof stuff off already as it leaked.

The worst big dent (ignoring the bit round the airbox door) is in the
front cab roof side - right behind the air tunnels that feed the fans.


 
I think i have worked out a plan to spray the truck in sections. One
for each side i reckon, plus maybe the doors seperately.

I already have 2 spray guns. If i buy one more i can have one for each
coat to save cleaning them out.

I reckon i can do etch then primer then topcoat and possibly laquer on
1/4 of the ambi in a day.

I can then just mask that side off slightly and move onto the next one
on my next free day. I can cope with a possibly slight join at every
corner for the easer job its going to be working this way.
 
On or around Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:31:17 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:11:49 +0100, "Lee_D"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I also know how long you spent fillering on morph and i dont want to
>>> spent that long at it!
>>>
>>
>>Yeah...sole destroying at the time.
>>
>>Can't say I blame you tbh.
>
>I resprayed an entire car last summer. I spent so many hours doing
>surface prep on that that i cant face much more!

trouble is, if you don't, it shows. The reason the old rollses and suchlike
had that fantastic body finish is all down to the amount of work put in.

There's a certain staisfaction in getting it right though, all the work
seems more worthwhile when the end result comes out looking better than the
factory produced... 'til some goit scratches it for you, of course.


--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.
 
On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:02:59 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>I resprayed an entire car last summer. I spent so many hours doing
>>surface prep on that that i cant face much more!
>
>trouble is, if you don't, it shows. The reason the old rollses and suchlike
>had that fantastic body finish is all down to the amount of work put in.

Yeah i know :(. I did the car on a schedule and there are a few bits i
can see now looking at it where i didnt spend enough time.

(in 200 hours i managed to weld in 3 arches and multiple other bits of
metal underneath, strip and rebuild the entire braking system, replace
the water pump, do the clutch then strip it down including the glass
and interior out and respray the whole thing - the same thing on my
other car took me 6 months...)

>There's a certain staisfaction in getting it right though, all the work
>seems more worthwhile when the end result comes out looking better than the
>factory produced... 'til some goit scratches it for you, of course.

I've got lots of stone chips but only managed to get one small dent in
the saab so far and it was from the hedge when i took evasive action
upon meeting a feckin big truck on a small lane. Considering that i
actually got it wedged *in* the hedge one small dent aint bad!

 
Its now got no paint left on it, has been brillo'd all over and i am
in possesion of a lots of tins of painty stuff!...
 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> Its now got no paint left on it, has been brillo'd all over and i am
> in possesion of a lots of tins of painty stuff!...

:)

This is a turning point as from here on your officially improving the truck.
Stuff going on rather than coming off.

;-)

Lee


 
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:59:52 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>This is a turning point as from here on your officially improving the truck.
>Stuff going on rather than coming off.

I got about 1/3rd of it painted thisafternoon/evening :) (and that
third includes the front end which is much tricker as it has a lot of
masking!)

I reckon that the colour that i chose is working alright too! :)


 
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:49:22 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I got about 1/3rd of it painted thisafternoon/evening :) (and that
>third includes the front end which is much tricker as it has a lot of
>masking!)
>
>I reckon that the colour that i chose is working alright too! :)

Now all painted bar the back end and the spare wheel/jack doors :)

From tommorrow onwards the wind is forcast to be blowing the other way
- right into next door, so i'm not sure when it will be finished!

I must now own the prettiest non-running 101...
 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> Now all painted bar the back end and the spare wheel/jack doors :)
>
> From tommorrow onwards the wind is forcast to be blowing the other way
> - right into next door, so i'm not sure when it will be finished!
>
> I must now own the prettiest non-running 101...

Photos please :)

Lee


 
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