OT Wonders of wireless

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Srtgray

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #21

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-07-13, Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In most cases, the act of "logging on" is considered enough to prove
>>intent.
>
>
> You are not a lawyer and I claim my free mars bar ;-)
>
True, but ask anyone who works in a company why they shouldn't reveal
their password to anyone else.

Stuart

 

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Ian Rawlings

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #22

On 2006-07-13, Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:

> True, but ask anyone who works in a company why they shouldn't reveal
> their password to anyone else.

Err, that's obvious, but "proving intent" doesn't require someone to
"log on", and neither does "logging on" prove intent. IT law is a
complicated mess, as is most law, simple answers are thin on the
ground.

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AJH

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #23

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:33:46 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2006-07-13, AJH <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How does is stand with a "normal" contract with an isp?
>
>ISTR my ISP contract forbidding me from passing bandwidth on to
>others, although this might only be if I charge for it, can't
>remember.

I can see this as being of concern to an isp. You could get a
adsl/cable service and share it with a few neighbours.

>> What dangers are there to the less technically competent?
>
>Someone abusing the connection to do something illegal, or to hack
>your computer and get things like bank details etc for ID theft or to
>rob your account.

Yes two issues, the first is allowing someone access to the internet
and them abusing it, with you getting the blame. Isn't there a way of
blocking some ports?

The second is far worse but how should allowing access to the internet
risk access to my lan? I have 3 computers sharing this internet
connection via a router and cables but they are not on a network and
don't share files.
>
>> How can you stop a "guest" from hogging bandwidth?
>
>Bandwidth capping on the wireless router, this needs a firewall with
>the capability though.

So to do this I'd need something more than a standard wireless router?
Something more like a standalone linux box acting as the gateway to
the adsl connection?

AJH

 

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Ian Rawlings

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #24

On 2006-07-13, AJH <[email protected]> wrote:

> The second is far worse but how should allowing access to the internet
> risk access to my lan? I have 3 computers sharing this internet
> connection via a router and cables but they are not on a network and
> don't share files.

If your wireless access point is on your internal LAN then anyone
connecting to the access point will also be on your internal LAN. If
your wireless access point is also your ADSL modem (quite common now)
then that also will allow access to your internal LAN.

> So to do this I'd need something more than a standard wireless router?
> Something more like a standalone linux box acting as the gateway to
> the adsl connection?

Yes, you set up a firewall which is connected to the internet using an
ADSL card, connected to your internal lan using another interface, and
connected to the wireless router on a third. If you have an ADSL
router, then you'd connect the wireless access point and the firewall
directly to it, then connect your internal LAN to the second interface
on your firewall. Obviously all this with appropriate rules installed
on the firewall.

To be honest if you don't understand all this stuff already then I'd
advise you to steer clear of remotely accessible access points
available to all.

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AJH

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #25

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:54:40 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>To be honest if you don't understand all this stuff already then I'd
>advise you to steer clear of remotely accessible access points
>available to all.

Nuff said, I'll leave the idea until I know a bit more.

AJH

 

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Richard Brookman

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #26

Srtgray wrote:

|| I think it was "Bigshot"
||
|| Stuart

You're right. The song with more quotes per inch than any other.

Normally, I pack a rod. In pyjamas I carry nothing but scars from Normandy
beach.
She had the hottest lips since Hiroshima, I had to stand back for fear of
being burned...
She was dressed as Biffo The Bear. In that kind of outfit, she could get
rolled at night - and I don't mean on a crap table.

That song made me spend about a year in my teens reading Raymond Chandler
and Mickey Spillane.

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Richard Brookman

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #27

Karen Gallagher wrote:

|| Oops, checked the LP, yes, Bigshot. Same LP, so many classics on
|| that one.
||
|| Karen

<sad>

I bought the 4 CD set a couple of years ago. I'd lost/lent/had stolen/got
marmalade on all of my Bonzo LPs, so I went for it. Unlike most of the
"old" CDs I have bought in the last 10 years to recapture the record
collection of my youth, this one didn't disappoint in the slightest.

</sad>

And my 22-year-old daughter thinks the Bonzos are really good. We quote
them at each other, still. That and Molesworth, ect ect.

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Simon Isaacs

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #28

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:06:00 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:40:46 +0100, Ian Rawlings
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Besides, unsecured wireless connections are a boon to those of us who
>>have to work away from home sometimes, it's very useful to be able to
>>get a free internet connection for reading our email ;-)
>
>I leave an open wifi connection for all to use here. It is on the
>other side of anything else here, and has a content filter, but
>otherwise, fully open to anyone who wants to use it. Ove the last 12
>odd months, only two of the neighbours have done so, and only then by
>accident.

yeah but your neigbours have seen what you get up to, and think they
might get the same treatment as gas bottles and fire extinguishers if
they hack.......
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David G. Bell

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #29

On Thursday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Ian Rawlings" wrote:

> On 2006-07-13, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Filter by MAC address at the access point.
>
> Less reliable than current encryption methods, if I had to rely on one
> method I'd go for encryption, as MAC addresses can be changed on some
> cards, most of them in fact, but the software supplied generally
> doesn't allow it.

It's the layering which adds to the security. It makes more problems for
the bad guys.

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Ian Rawlings

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #30

On 2006-07-13, "David G. Bell" <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's the layering which adds to the security. It makes more problems for
> the bad guys.

Yes I know, which is why I said that if I had to rely on one method,
I'd go for encryption, it's the strongest layer and hardest to beat.
For those who don't really have much to protect, it's probably not
worth buggering around, and WPA is easy to set up and is the most
effective protection commonly available.

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Mother

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #31

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:16:47 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>I leave an open wifi connection for all to use here. It is on the
>>other side of anything else here, and has a content filter, but
>>otherwise, fully open to anyone who wants to use it. Ove the last 12
>>odd months, only two of the neighbours have done so, and only then by
>>accident.
>
>yeah but your neigbours have seen what you get up to, and think they
>might get the same treatment as gas bottles and fire extinguishers if
>they hack.......

Nothing to hack - I leave that wifi open for people to use if they
want to, or need to... May put a slightly higher power outside twig
to broaden the coverage actually. Also thinking about offering a
trial of WIMAX too at some point.


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Srtgray

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• Jul 13, 2006

• #32

Richard Brookman wrote:
> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>
> || Oops, checked the LP, yes, Bigshot. Same LP, so many classics on
> || that one.
> ||
> || Karen
>
> <sad>
>
> I bought the 4 CD set a couple of years ago. I'd lost/lent/had stolen/got
> marmalade on all of my Bonzo LPs, so I went for it. Unlike most of the
> "old" CDs I have bought in the last 10 years to recapture the record
> collection of my youth, this one didn't disappoint in the slightest.
>
> </sad>
>
> And my 22-year-old daughter thinks the Bonzos are really good. We quote
> them at each other, still. That and Molesworth, ect ect.
>
Ah yes, MArmalade. I always preferred to The Jam

Stuart

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Jul 14, 2006

• #33

On or around Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:16:47 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:06:00 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:40:46 +0100, Ian Rawlings
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Besides, unsecured wireless connections are a boon to those of us who
>>>have to work away from home sometimes, it's very useful to be able to
>>>get a free internet connection for reading our email ;-)
>>
>>I leave an open wifi connection for all to use here. It is on the
>>other side of anything else here, and has a content filter, but
>>otherwise, fully open to anyone who wants to use it. Ove the last 12
>>odd months, only two of the neighbours have done so, and only then by
>>accident.
>
>yeah but your neigbours have seen what you get up to, and think they
>might get the same treatment as gas bottles and fire extinguishers if
>they hack.......

not to mention what he does to mobile phones. I loved that video,
especially the fight the phone put up.
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Mother

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• Jul 14, 2006

• #34

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:57:00 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>not to mention what he does to mobile phones. I loved that video,
>especially the fight the phone put up.

The hammer got it, though.

 

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Srtgray

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• Jul 16, 2006

• #35

Richard Brookman wrote:
> Srtgray wrote:
>
> || I think it was "Bigshot"
> ||
> || Stuart
>
> You're right. The song with more quotes per inch than any other.
>
> Normally, I pack a rod. In pyjamas I carry nothing but scars from Normandy
> beach.
> She had the hottest lips since Hiroshima, I had to stand back for fear of
> being burned...
> She was dressed as Biffo The Bear. In that kind of outfit, she could get
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I could never work out that line - thanks!!

And for your bonus question, give two other "Beano" references on that album

Stuart

> rolled at night - and I don't mean on a crap table.
>
> That song made me spend about a year in my teens reading Raymond Chandler
> and Mickey Spillane.
>

 

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Richard Brookman

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• Jul 16, 2006

• #36

Srtgray wrote:

|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||| She was dressed as Biffo The Bear. In that kind of outfit, she
||| could get
|| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|| I could never work out that line - thanks!!

For years I thought it was "she was dressed as before the bed" (ie
ready to turn in) - a mate said it and it stuck and I couldn't hear anything
else in that line. Then one day I heard it again and 'snap'.

|| And for your bonus question, give two other "Beano" references on
|| that album

1. Lord Snooty and his pals tap-dancing (The Intro and the Outro)
2. Dunno. Put me out of my misery.

</v. sad>

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SpamTrapSeeSig

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• Jul 16, 2006

• #37

In article <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman
<[email protected]> writes

>That song made me spend about a year in my teens reading Raymond Chandler

Chandler* and Pratchett:

Forget the actual disks on the desert island, I probably wouldn't
survive, but I'd die grinning...

Regards,

Simonm.

*but he was seriously into 'recycling' though, which is a bit of a
disappointment when you get dug in.

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Srtgray

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• Jul 16, 2006

• #38

Richard Brookman wrote:
> Srtgray wrote:
>
> || Richard Brookman wrote:
> ||| She was dressed as Biffo The Bear. In that kind of outfit, she
> ||| could get
> || ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> || I could never work out that line - thanks!!
>
> For years I thought it was "she was dressed as before the bed" (ie
> ready to turn in) - a mate said it and it stuck and I couldn't hear anything
> else in that line. Then one day I heard it again and 'snap'.
>
> || And for your bonus question, give two other "Beano" references on
> || that album
>
> 1. Lord Snooty and his pals tap-dancing (The Intro and the Outro)

Corect for half a point
> 2. Dunno. Put me out of my misery.

.... through the mouthpiece of Lord Snooty's giant electric poisoned
head, so theeeeeeeere."

(last line of My Pink Half of the Drainpipe)

>
> </v. sad>
>
Stuart

 

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Richard Brookman

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• Jul 16, 2006

• #39

Srtgray wrote:

|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||| Srtgray wrote:
|||
||||| Richard Brookman wrote:
|||||| She was dressed as Biffo The Bear. In that kind of outfit, she
|||||| could get
||||| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
||||| I could never work out that line - thanks!!
|||
||| For years I thought it was "she was dressed as before the bed"
||| (ie ready to turn in) - a mate said it and it stuck and I couldn't
||| hear anything else in that line. Then one day I heard it again and
||| 'snap'.
|||
||||| And for your bonus question, give two other "Beano" references on
||||| that album
|||
||| 1. Lord Snooty and his pals tap-dancing (The Intro and the Outro)
||
|| Corect for half a point
||| 2. Dunno. Put me out of my misery.
||
|| ... through the mouthpiece of Lord Snooty's giant electric poisoned
|| head, so theeeeeeeere."
||
|| (last line of My Pink Half of the Drainpipe)

That's not really fair - Lord Snooty twice! I was looking for Dennis the
Menace or Roger The Dodger references. And it's "giant poisoned electric
head" -

So
theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere!



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