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Larry
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Yes I have had to find a news server either that or use google 
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:09:15 -0000, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>Yes I have had to find a news server either that or use google
wannapoo always were ****e.
I've been using what is now news.individual.net for ages, excellent results,
notwithstanding that you now have to pay the princely some of 10 EU per year
for it.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.
enlightened us thusly:
>Yes I have had to find a news server either that or use google
wannapoo always were ****e.
I've been using what is now news.individual.net for ages, excellent results,
notwithstanding that you now have to pay the princely some of 10 EU per year
for it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii.
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Bob Hobden
Guest
"Austin Shackles" wrote after "Larry" enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Yes I have had to find a news server either that or use google
>
> wannapoo always were ****e.
>
> I've been using what is now news.individual.net for ages, excellent
> results,
> notwithstanding that you now have to pay the princely some of 10 EU per
> year
> for it.
Me too, used to use the old free service and now pay up with pleasure,
another Ng I use recently had over 10,000 troll posts in a day this week and
I only got 50 or so which were deleted from the server almost immediately.
Excellent service and very cheap at the price.
http://news.individual.net/
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17mls W. of London.UK
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Richard Brookman
Guest
....and Bob Hobden spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
> "Austin Shackles" wrote after "Larry" enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> Yes I have had to find a news server either that or use google
>>
>> I've been using what is now news.individual.net for ages, excellent
>> results,
>> notwithstanding that you now have to pay the princely some of 10 EU
>> per year
>> for it.
>
> Me too, used to use the old free service and now pay up with pleasure,
>
Thirded.
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Rich
==============================
There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.
> "Austin Shackles" wrote after "Larry" enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> Yes I have had to find a news server either that or use google
>>
>> I've been using what is now news.individual.net for ages, excellent
>> results,
>> notwithstanding that you now have to pay the princely some of 10 EU
>> per year
>> for it.
>
> Me too, used to use the old free service and now pay up with pleasure,
>
Thirded.
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Rich
==============================
There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.
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Dom J
Guest
........and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
Wanapoo done this?.
Dom J
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Paul S. Brown
Guest
Dom J wrote:
>
> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
> Wanapoo done this?.
>
At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
so
even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
And if you do it vaguley badly (i.e. a couple of missed articles which
people
notice and phone customer service on) then you're losing money on the deal -
when I was at BT our internal metric was that a single support call which
needed escalated beyond the call centre, on average, cost the company £43 to
handle - that basically knocks out 3 months income from a DSL customer -
probably closer to 8 months profit. And that's on a single phone call.
Now multiply that up.
Usenet just isn't worthwhile carrying as a "value add" service any more - it
costs money to maintain, makes no revenue and gets you into trouble more
often than not, and unfortunately the users of it tend to be the more vocal
customers of your average ISP - the ones who phone when one or two articles
go walkies. It also chews bandwidth like it's going out of fashion.
Have a look at what the "good" commercial usenet providers - the ones who do
*nothing* but Usenet - charge. Supernews charges $4.95 just for the text
groups - this rises to $20.95 for 20GB/month transfer.
One place where I have worked had a user - call him "Binary Bob" for want of
a
better name who regularly downloaded 20GB a day of binaries from the free
service.
If anybody wants I can easily do a price/performance analysis on a news farm
to support a few thousand users with 30 days full retention - it becomes a
scary number quite quickly.
Suffice to say that I can see a lot of ISPs over the next few years dumping
Usenet services as too expensive for too little return.
P.
>
> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
> Wanapoo done this?.
>
At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
so
even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
And if you do it vaguley badly (i.e. a couple of missed articles which
people
notice and phone customer service on) then you're losing money on the deal -
when I was at BT our internal metric was that a single support call which
needed escalated beyond the call centre, on average, cost the company £43 to
handle - that basically knocks out 3 months income from a DSL customer -
probably closer to 8 months profit. And that's on a single phone call.
Now multiply that up.
Usenet just isn't worthwhile carrying as a "value add" service any more - it
costs money to maintain, makes no revenue and gets you into trouble more
often than not, and unfortunately the users of it tend to be the more vocal
customers of your average ISP - the ones who phone when one or two articles
go walkies. It also chews bandwidth like it's going out of fashion.
Have a look at what the "good" commercial usenet providers - the ones who do
*nothing* but Usenet - charge. Supernews charges $4.95 just for the text
groups - this rises to $20.95 for 20GB/month transfer.
One place where I have worked had a user - call him "Binary Bob" for want of
a
better name who regularly downloaded 20GB a day of binaries from the free
service.
If anybody wants I can easily do a price/performance analysis on a news farm
to support a few thousand users with 30 days full retention - it becomes a
scary number quite quickly.
Suffice to say that I can see a lot of ISPs over the next few years dumping
Usenet services as too expensive for too little return.
P.
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>Dom J wrote:
>
>>
>> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
>> Wanapoo done this?.
>>
>
>
>At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
>income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
>garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
>so
>even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
>needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
>talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
yebbut, anyone with any sense doesn't provide a full feed. The big
bandwidth is mostly in binary groups and you can reduce the bandwidth and
storage by restricting or not supplying them.
>
>Suffice to say that I can see a lot of ISPs over the next few years dumping
>Usenet services as too expensive for too little return.
and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>Dom J wrote:
>
>>
>> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
>> Wanapoo done this?.
>>
>
>
>At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
>income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
>garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
>so
>even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
>needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
>talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
yebbut, anyone with any sense doesn't provide a full feed. The big
bandwidth is mostly in binary groups and you can reduce the bandwidth and
storage by restricting or not supplying them.
>
>Suffice to say that I can see a lot of ISPs over the next few years dumping
>Usenet services as too expensive for too little return.
and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
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Paul S. Brown
Guest
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
Yep. And IME they don't actually want those customers due to them being the
ones who use the expensive to run services.
ISPs striving for market share is so 1999 - it's all ARPU and EBITDA now.
Take the sheeple, get rid of the ones who demand things for their money
seems to be the name of the game. It's one reason I'm trying to find a
place which actually values customer service at least as highly as the
mighty dollar.
Believe me, I've got a whole load of rants here which will get me sued (more
for breaching confidentiality than libel to be honest).
P.
> On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
Yep. And IME they don't actually want those customers due to them being the
ones who use the expensive to run services.
ISPs striving for market share is so 1999 - it's all ARPU and EBITDA now.
Take the sheeple, get rid of the ones who demand things for their money
seems to be the name of the game. It's one reason I'm trying to find a
place which actually values customer service at least as highly as the
mighty dollar.
Believe me, I've got a whole load of rants here which will get me sued (more
for breaching confidentiality than libel to be honest).
P.
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Tim Hobbs
Guest
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:36:14 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Dom J wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
>>> Wanapoo done this?.
>>>
>>
>>
>>At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
>>income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
>>garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
>>so
>>even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
>>needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
>>talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
>
>yebbut, anyone with any sense doesn't provide a full feed. The big
>bandwidth is mostly in binary groups and you can reduce the bandwidth and
>storage by restricting or not supplying them.
Thing is, you'll still get the calls, complaining that they don't
carry x, y and z group. You end up doing it badly, which is worse
than not doing it at all.
>
>>
>>Suffice to say that I can see a lot of ISPs over the next few years dumping
>>Usenet services as too expensive for too little return.
>
>and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
They will - mostly the ones who are costing money for support, aren't
happy with the service and thus slag them off to all their friends.
--
Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Dom J wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
>>> Wanapoo done this?.
>>>
>>
>>
>>At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
>>income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
>>garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
>>so
>>even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
>>needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
>>talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
>
>yebbut, anyone with any sense doesn't provide a full feed. The big
>bandwidth is mostly in binary groups and you can reduce the bandwidth and
>storage by restricting or not supplying them.
Thing is, you'll still get the calls, complaining that they don't
carry x, y and z group. You end up doing it badly, which is worse
than not doing it at all.
>
>>
>>Suffice to say that I can see a lot of ISPs over the next few years dumping
>>Usenet services as too expensive for too little return.
>
>and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
They will - mostly the ones who are costing money for support, aren't
happy with the service and thus slag them off to all their friends.
--
Tim Hobbs
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Larry
Guest
Well lets see if this one works
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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes
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Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:42:37 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:36:14 +0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>Dom J wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
>>>> Wanapoo done this?.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
>>>income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
>>>garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
>>>so
>>>even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
>>>needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
>>>talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
>>
>>yebbut, anyone with any sense doesn't provide a full feed. The big
>>bandwidth is mostly in binary groups and you can reduce the bandwidth and
>>storage by restricting or not supplying them.
>
>Thing is, you'll still get the calls, complaining that they don't
>carry x, y and z group. You end up doing it badly, which is worse
>than not doing it at all.
but if you say it's a text-only server and don't carry any binaries, then
you can afford to ignore those whingers or reply with an autoresponse
re-iterating that the free server is text-only and if you want binaries you
have to pay.
This seems to be the way some ISPs are going - ISTR NTHell are running a
text-only server?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:36:14 +0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>Dom J wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> .......and theres me thinking that it was my PC on the blink. Why have
>>>> Wanapoo done this?.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At a guess because Usenet is hideously expensive to provide for no noticable
>>>income - just for example you're talking about tens of Terabytes of mostly
>>>garbage data per day for a full feed, needing stored for decent retention,
>>>so
>>>even for a weeks retention figure 70TB, and not just on any old disk - it
>>>needs to be able to stream as fast as the news comes in and is read - you're
>>>talking some reasonably expensive kit to do this.
>>
>>yebbut, anyone with any sense doesn't provide a full feed. The big
>>bandwidth is mostly in binary groups and you can reduce the bandwidth and
>>storage by restricting or not supplying them.
>
>Thing is, you'll still get the calls, complaining that they don't
>carry x, y and z group. You end up doing it badly, which is worse
>than not doing it at all.
but if you say it's a text-only server and don't carry any binaries, then
you can afford to ignore those whingers or reply with an autoresponse
re-iterating that the free server is text-only and if you want binaries you
have to pay.
This seems to be the way some ISPs are going - ISTR NTHell are running a
text-only server?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
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Alan Clegg
Guest
For those affected by the withdrawal of the newsgroup facility from Wanadoo
(e.g. me!) and whom are probably not able to read this I've found that
the following server is free and so far (just 48hrs) seems fine.
news.infoave.net
Regards
Alan
"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
>
> Yep. And IME they don't actually want those customers due to them being
> the
> ones who use the expensive to run services.
>
> ISPs striving for market share is so 1999 - it's all ARPU and EBITDA now.
>
> Take the sheeple, get rid of the ones who demand things for their money
> seems to be the name of the game. It's one reason I'm trying to find a
> place which actually values customer service at least as highly as the
> mighty dollar.
>
> Believe me, I've got a whole load of rants here which will get me sued
> (more
> for breaching confidentiality than libel to be honest).
>
> P.
(e.g. me!) and whom are probably not able to read this
I've found thatthe following server is free and so far (just 48hrs) seems fine.
news.infoave.net
Regards
Alan
"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:18:09 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> and in some cases, they'll lose customers on account of it.
>
> Yep. And IME they don't actually want those customers due to them being
> the
> ones who use the expensive to run services.
>
> ISPs striving for market share is so 1999 - it's all ARPU and EBITDA now.
>
> Take the sheeple, get rid of the ones who demand things for their money
> seems to be the name of the game. It's one reason I'm trying to find a
> place which actually values customer service at least as highly as the
> mighty dollar.
>
> Believe me, I've got a whole load of rants here which will get me sued
> (more
> for breaching confidentiality than libel to be honest).
>
> P.
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Lee_D
Guest
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:
> This seems to be the way some ISPs are going - ISTR NTHell are
> running a text-only server?
No f**cker at NThell customer services or Tech support knows what a
Newsgroup is and if it doesn't work right then clearly you need to switch
off your set top box and go to some other service provider.
Well it worked for me anyway
Lee
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home in the USA.
Percy IIa - two Engines to the mile, awaits a new chassis.
Morph - He's "living the dream".
funny about:
> This seems to be the way some ISPs are going - ISTR NTHell are
> running a text-only server?
No f**cker at NThell customer services or Tech support knows what a
Newsgroup is and if it doesn't work right then clearly you need to switch
off your set top box and go to some other service provider.
Well it worked for me anyway
Lee
--
www.lrproject.com
Reaching the parts other Landrover restorers can't reach - JLo makes new
home in the USA.
Percy IIa - two Engines to the mile, awaits a new chassis.
Morph - He's "living the dream".
