OT: They shouldn't be shops like these!

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Matthew Maddock

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I don't know about everyone else, but there is a shop around here
called "What!" it is one of those huge warehouse shops filled with
loads of cheap crap - including lots of tools (and lots of men
wandering around deciding if they can justify buying another
hammer/axe/set of spanners etc. just because they are cheap!)

I went down there for 2 ratchet straps, and came back with a basket
full of tools (and other assorted bits!) - and that doesn't include
the tools that I put in and out of the basket several times!

Anyway, onto what I wanted to ask - there was petrol generator in
there for £75. Rated 800W @ 240V plus a 12V/10A output. Now
I've always fancied a generator (no idea what I'd use it for!)
Does anyone know if this is a good price? (considering that it is
probably not great quality, but also that it isn't going to be in
daily use either - so am I really that bothered that it may not be
up to DeWalt standards?!)

Cheers,

Matt.
 
Makro do the same thing for £49 plus VAT if that's any help.


 

Peter wrote:
> Makro do the same thing for £49 plus VAT if that's any help.

They also do a 2.3kW for £99 plus VAT!

Cheers

Peter

 
puffernutter wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>> Makro do the same thing for £49 plus VAT if that's any help.
>
> They also do a 2.3kW for £99 plus VAT!

Well that answers my question about price! I guess I'll give it a
miss. I don't think there is a Makro around here - probably a good
job!

Cheers,

Matt.
 
On 14 Mar 2006 08:34:07 -0800, puffernutter wrote:

>> Makro do the same thing for £49 plus VAT if that's any help.

Thats more like the price. £75 is mid retail. You can probably find an
e-bay seller for about the Makro price if you aren't a member or not near
to a store.

> They also do a 2.3kW for £99 plus VAT!

Do they indeed. 2.3kW is a much more reasonable size. I found my Makro
card the other day, haven't used it for years. Website seemed to accept
my number though, maybe I'll visit the Newcastle store next time I'm over
that way.

Little generators can have trouble starting larger fridges and freezers.
Prime reason for having a genny for most domestic uses I would have
thought, keeping the freezer cold when the power goes. That and a light
or three.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:55:33 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Maddock
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>I don't know about everyone else, but there is a shop around here
>called "What!" it is one of those huge warehouse shops filled with
>loads of cheap crap - including lots of tools (and lots of men
>wandering around deciding if they can justify buying another
>hammer/axe/set of spanners etc. just because they are cheap!)
>
>I went down there for 2 ratchet straps, and came back with a basket
>full of tools (and other assorted bits!) - and that doesn't include
>the tools that I put in and out of the basket several times!
>
>Anyway, onto what I wanted to ask - there was petrol generator in
>there for £75. Rated 800W @ 240V plus a 12V/10A output. Now
>I've always fancied a generator (no idea what I'd use it for!)
>Does anyone know if this is a good price? (considering that it is
>probably not great quality, but also that it isn't going to be in
>daily use either - so am I really that bothered that it may not be
>up to DeWalt standards?!)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Matt.

I picked a 950W 2 stroker up at Driffield for about £40 last year, has
been run no end at various shows and at home for doing stuff. Best
not say too much more.....
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> I picked a 950W 2 stroker up at Driffield for about £40 last year, has
> been run no end at various shows and at home for doing stuff. Best
> not say too much more.....

You've already said too much! Maybe I'll see if there is one knocking
around cheap at Sodbury in a few weeks.

Matt.
 
....and Simon Isaacs spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> I picked a 950W 2 stroker up at Driffield for about £40 last year, has
> been run no end at various shows and at home for doing stuff. Best
> not say too much more.....

I got a Wolf 800W 2-stroke job off ebay last year. Bit hard to start (or am
I just getting weaker?) but it will run a battery charger for the caravan,
small kettle, a few lights and small power tools* - it will *just* run my
4.5" angle grinder. Great for working on the boat away from 230V sources.
I couldn't justify the expense of a Honda EU101, but for the use I give it
it's great. Really glad I got it.

*not all at once, obviously.

--
Rich
==============================

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and those who don't.


 

"Matthew Maddock" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
>> I picked a 950W 2 stroker up at Driffield for about £40 last year, has
>> been run no end at various shows and at home for doing stuff. Best
>> not say too much more.....
>
> You've already said too much! Maybe I'll see if there is one knocking
> around cheap at Sodbury in a few weeks.
>
> Matt.

All I can say is its a good job these folk are in Ripley and I'm in Cheshire
or there would be another project sat in the garage.
http://www.anchorsupplies.com/onan_generator.htm
Derek


 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:55:33 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Maddock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I don't know about everyone else, but there is a shop around here
>called "What!" it is one of those huge warehouse shops filled with
>loads of cheap crap - including lots of tools (and lots of men
>wandering around deciding if they can justify buying another
>hammer/axe/set of spanners etc. just because they are cheap!)
>
>I went down there for 2 ratchet straps, and came back with a basket
>full of tools (and other assorted bits!) - and that doesn't include
>the tools that I put in and out of the basket several times!
>
>Anyway, onto what I wanted to ask - there was petrol generator in
>there for £75. Rated 800W @ 240V plus a 12V/10A output. Now
>I've always fancied a generator (no idea what I'd use it for!)
>Does anyone know if this is a good price? (considering that it is
>probably not great quality, but also that it isn't going to be in
>daily use either - so am I really that bothered that it may not be
>up to DeWalt standards?!)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Matt.

Fit for purpose very much depends on the purpose. The cheap Chinese
jobs are good if you are not bothered about noise (either electrical
or accoustic). At the prices they fetch you can consider them
disposal.

For regular use, the Hondas have two big benefits

i) very quiet
ii) run on standard unleaded

Last time we used the Honda was for a wireless site survey on a 70
acre site. We suddenly had loss of signal and it was a minute or so
before we realised that the fuel had run out - it's so quiet we hadn't
noticed it go off. Being able to get some standard unleaded from the
nearest petrol station was a bonus.

--
Tim Hobbs
 

"Matthew Maddock" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> I don't know about everyone else, but there is a shop around here
> called "What!" it is one of those huge warehouse shops filled with
> loads of cheap crap - including lots of tools (and lots of men
> wandering around deciding if they can justify buying another
> hammer/axe/set of spanners etc. just because they are cheap!)
>
> I went down there for 2 ratchet straps, and came back with a basket
> full of tools (and other assorted bits!) - and that doesn't include
> the tools that I put in and out of the basket several times!
>
> Anyway, onto what I wanted to ask - there was petrol generator in
> there for £75. Rated 800W @ 240V plus a 12V/10A output. Now
> I've always fancied a generator (no idea what I'd use it for!)
> Does anyone know if this is a good price? (considering that it is
> probably not great quality, but also that it isn't going to be in
> daily use either - so am I really that bothered that it may not be
> up to DeWalt standards?!)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt.
I have a 'Wolf' branded 3 kVA gennie I bought from Aldi last year. It was
£145. So far it has run about 200hrs faultlessly. It is obviously of far
eastern, prob Chinese origin but I wouldn't hold that against it. The most
likely area of unreliability is going to be in the governor or plastic
toggly bits on the engine. i would say go for that price and 3 kVA rather
than a smaller gennie as they can't run very much. This can run a PA and a
big 3 gallon water boiler without flinching. 800W can't poer much above an
electric drill. If it has 240/110 v options that a bonus too.

If I needed a generator for more than 300 hrs/year I'd buy a Honda. They go
on for ever and ever.

Eddy

1966 88" Series 2a +ve earth



 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:07:55 +0000, Tim Hobbs wrote:

> Last time we used the Honda was for a wireless site survey on a 70
> acre site. We suddenly had loss of signal and it was a minute or so
> before we realised that the fuel had run out - it's so quiet we hadn't
> noticed it go off.

Which "Honda" is that then? The open frame jobbies are horribly noisy.
The horribly expensive invertor ones are better but not what I would call
"very quiet". All small generator manufactures seem to have a different
definition of the word "silent" than the rest of the world. Or maybe you
where the otherside of the 70 acre site to the set... B-)

But then if you can tell the genset is running by anything other than the
gauges being active, the lights on, the exhaust heat and some minor
enclosure vibration it's too noisy in my book. That goes for any genset
up to twins of 500kVA each set.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:48:30 GMT, Derek wrote:

> All I can say is its a good job these folk are in Ripley and I'm in
> Cheshire or there would be another project sat in the garage.
> http://www.anchorsupplies.com/onan_generator.htm

Aye, electric start (and remote), 3kVA, £175 + VAT tested or £50
non-runner pick your own. Ripley/Nottingham is even further away from me
than you. B-)

Petrol though, wonder if they can be converted to propane?

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:57:25 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:07:55 +0000, Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>> Last time we used the Honda was for a wireless site survey on a 70
>> acre site. We suddenly had loss of signal and it was a minute or so
>> before we realised that the fuel had run out - it's so quiet we hadn't
>> noticed it go off.
>
>Which "Honda" is that then? The open frame jobbies are horribly noisy.
>The horribly expensive invertor ones are better but not what I would call
>"very quiet". All small generator manufactures seem to have a different
>definition of the word "silent" than the rest of the world. Or maybe you
>where the otherside of the 70 acre site to the set... B-)
>
>But then if you can tell the genset is running by anything other than the
>gauges being active, the lights on, the exhaust heat and some minor
>enclosure vibration it's too noisy in my book. That goes for any genset
>up to twins of 500kVA each set.

EU20i - 2kw.

I was stood next to it, albeit on a windy day with teletrucks driving
around in the background.

I've also used it in a warehouse, where it could be heard running but
didn't need me to raise my voice to address 20 people when I was 10
feet from it.

Horribly expensive is also relative - I think this was about £1000.

--
Tim Hobbs
 
Tim Hobbs wrote:

>
> EU20i - 2kw.
>
> I was stood next to it, albeit on a windy day with teletrucks driving
> around in the background.
>
> I've also used it in a warehouse, where it could be heard running but
> didn't need me to raise my voice to address 20 people when I was 10
> feet from it.
>
> Horribly expensive is also relative - I think this was about £1000.


For those who can't justify that sort of money but still want a decent
quality, equally quiet inverter generator there's always the Kipor
range. IME not bad products, probably not quite the quality of the
Honda ones but significantly cheaper and still a damn good product.

http://www.kipor-generators.co.uk - for their main site, and

http://tinyurl.com/rww7m - £370 inc VAT for a 2kvA


--
EMB
 
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:57:42 +0000, Tim Hobbs wrote:

>> Which "Honda" is that then? The open frame jobbies are horribly noisy..
>> The horribly expensive invertor ones are better but not what I would
>> call "very quiet".
>
> EU20i - 2kw.

"horribly expensive invertor one". B-)

Yes they are quiet compared to the open frame things, get a bit noisier
if you load 'em up. Nice thing about them is you can join them together
very simply. Want more juice? Just plugin another genny...

> Horribly expensive is also relative - I think this was about £1000.

For a 2kVA genny that is relatively expensive. B-) See the ex-military
jobbie £200, 3kVa, electric start... But for that £1000 you do get a
fairly quiet, economic on fuel and light weight genny. They are a
moderate one person, one handed, carry. And I see you can get gas
conversions for them.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 

"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:57:42 +0000, Tim Hobbs wrote:

>> Which "Honda" is that then? The open frame jobbies are horribly noisy.
>> The horribly expensive invertor ones are better but not what I would
>> call "very quiet".
>
> EU20i - 2kw.

"horribly expensive invertor one". B-)

Yes they are quiet compared to the open frame things, get a bit noisier
if you load 'em up. Nice thing about them is you can join them together
very simply. Want more juice? Just plugin another genny...

> Horribly expensive is also relative - I think this was about £1000.

For a 2kVA genny that is relatively expensive. B-) See the ex-military
jobbie £200, 3kVa, electric start... But for that £1000 you do get a
fairly quiet, economic on fuel and light weight genny. They are a
moderate one person, one handed, carry. And I see you can get gas
conversions for them.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail


Dave I've seen those 3KVA I was weakening toward the 'rebuild it yourself
£50' option what does that output come down to on a 230v. It's sad but if I
ever buy a motor off them I'm almost certain one of the gennys will be going
in the back god know what I need it for tho'.
Derek


 
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