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Tim Hobbs

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Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
exempt would be handy.

Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
Romeo Spyder.

I think my role in this is to go out and buy one and 'surprise her'...
Any other suggestions, or tips on what I should be looking for?


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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

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Tim Hobbs wrote:

> Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
> irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
> exempt would be handy.
>
> Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
> Romeo Spyder.


Of for heaven's sake! There's only one choice - a ragtop Series One 80".

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Tim Hobbs wrote:
> Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
> irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
> exempt would be handy.
>
> Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
> Romeo Spyder.
>
> I think my role in this is to go out and buy one and 'surprise her'...
> Any other suggestions, or tips on what I should be looking for?


Fiat 124 Spyder
Or a Ferguson TEA :)

You've already got plenty of classic reapirs on your hands so why not go
for a late-model reliable roadster? Otherwise you'll forever be in the
dog box because the bloody thing won't go, won't stop or has failed it's
MOT.


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EMB
 
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:49:00 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Hobbs wrote:
>> Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
>> irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
>> exempt would be handy.
>>
>> Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
>> Romeo Spyder.
>>
>> I think my role in this is to go out and buy one and 'surprise her'...
>> Any other suggestions, or tips on what I should be looking for?

>
>Fiat 124 Spyder
>Or a Ferguson TEA :)
>
>You've already got plenty of classic reapirs on your hands so why not go
>for a late-model reliable roadster? Otherwise you'll forever be in the
>dog box because the bloody thing won't go, won't stop or has failed it's
>MOT.


Apparently it has to be old. We don't like the new ones. Or blue
ones. Or red ones...

At one point I thought I'd talked her into a Lotus 111R, but
apparently not :-(


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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
Tim Hobbs wrote:

> Apparently it has to be old. We don't like the new ones. Or blue
> ones. Or red ones...


My SWMBO is happily driving a BRG Mazda MX5 with rather nice cream
leather trim. 2 days of making her use a friend's MGB-V8 in winter had
her convinced that newer was better, but she still won on the no blue or
red ones.



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EMB
 
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:38:29 +0000, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
>irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
>exempt would be handy.
>
>Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
>Romeo Spyder.
>
>I think my role in this is to go out and buy one and 'surprise her'...
>Any other suggestions, or tips on what I should be looking for?


Mazda MX5

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> Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
> irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
> exempt would be handy.
>

How about a SII 88" soft top?

Budget 5K, yep,
performance irrelevant, should qualify on that count too,
lowish running costs, just about,
good looks, eye of the beholder,
tax exempt, yep.
Ideal!



 

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
> irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
> exempt would be handy.
>
> Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
> Romeo Spyder.
>
> I think my role in this is to go out and buy one and 'surprise her'...
> Any other suggestions, or tips on what I should be looking for?
>


As others have said - MX-5. My daughter runs one, and it's well-made
and easy to use. But if she really wants something older...

MGB - 5k will get a fairly good one, especially if you close your eyes
and go for a rubber-bumper (therefore non-tax-exempt) one, but they're a
bit heavy and awkward to park, especially with radial tyres and the hood
up, and the driving position doesn't suit all smaller people.
Overdrive, or a 5-speed box conversion, does make longer journeys a bit
more bearable.

Spridget - the obvious choice. 5k would get a very, very nice one
indeed, without having to accept a brown, rubber-bumper one. Bit of a
motorised roller-skate feel to them, and certainly not a motorway car
unless you're a real masochist (low-geared, noisy, blowy). They're
horrible in bad weather (leaks, poor wipers, no hrw), and impossible for
anyone over 30, or over 6ft (or both, like me) to get into or out of,
especially when parked against a kerb. The best years to go for are
late 1966 to 1974, as these had the 1275 A-series engine, (previous ones
1098, later ones the Triumph engine), one or two refinements like
headlamp flashers, and a folding (cf kit of bits) hood. They were less
attractive from 1969, imho, as they gained faffy little bumpers, rocker
switches, and were generally Leylandised.

But do watch out for rust. Everywhere. And if they're not rusty, and
not a Heritage re-shell, watch out for bodged repairs. They bend in the
middle (like a one-string fiddle) when Bill Bodger cuts away the sills
to fit new ones, and then the doors don't fit. Mechanically there's far
less to worry about. Engines sound awful long before they expire,
gearboxes whine, which doesn't really matter, and drop out of gear
(which does), but all the mechanical bits are widely available, and are
cheap.

Get someone who really knows Midgets to vet anything you see,
particularly if there's the slightest hint of rust or repairs.


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On or around Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:02:28 -0000, "Autolycus"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>> Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
>> Romeo Spyder.
>>

>MGB - 5k will get a fairly good one, especially if you close your eyes
>and go for a rubber-bumper (therefore non-tax-exempt) one, but they're a
>bit heavy and awkward to park, especially with radial tyres and the hood
>up, and the driving position doesn't suit all smaller people.
>Overdrive, or a 5-speed box conversion, does make longer journeys a bit
>more bearable.
>
>Spridget - the obvious choice. 5k would get a very, very nice one
>indeed, without having to accept a brown, rubber-bumper one. Bit of a
>motorised roller-skate feel to them, and certainly not a motorway car
>unless you're a real masochist (low-geared, noisy, blowy). They're
>horrible in bad weather (leaks, poor wipers, no hrw), and impossible for
>anyone over 30, or over 6ft (or both, like me) to get into or out of,
>especially when parked against a kerb. The best years to go for are
>late 1966 to 1974, as these had the 1275 A-series engine, (previous ones
>1098, later ones the Triumph engine), one or two refinements like
>headlamp flashers, and a folding (cf kit of bits) hood. They were less
>attractive from 1969, imho, as they gained faffy little bumpers, rocker
>switches, and were generally Leylandised.
>


for looks, I like the MGA and the triumph spitfire. The former is going to
run over your budget for a decent one, I suspect, and the latter are
probably all rusty.

Actually, the one I always wanted was the 150hp TR6, but they're in hens'
teeth territory too.

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>>

>
>for looks, I like the MGA and the triumph spitfire. The former is going to
>run over your budget for a decent one, I suspect, and the latter are
>probably all rusty.
>
>Actually, the one I always wanted was the 150hp TR6, but they're in hens'
>teeth territory too.


MGA are nice, but would have to double the budget at least. I like
the Spitfire over the Midget I would say, but haven't really seen any
promising looking ones advertised. I also like the Stag, but again,
double the money for a good one. Much more useable than a Midget
IMHO.

There are a number of TR6's about, but lots seem to be track cars and
probably shagged / modified beyond recognition.

Midget seems like the sensible choice - pay top dollar and get a
goody, then actually drive it instead of decorating the garden with
it. Shouldn't need massive money every year for maintenance with a
bit of luck either.


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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 

"Tim Hobbs" wrote
> Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
> irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
> exempt would be handy.
>
> Obvious candidates are MG Midget / Sprite, MGB, Spitfire and Alfa
> Romeo Spyder.
>
> I think my role in this is to go out and buy one and 'surprise her'...
> Any other suggestions, or tips on what I should be looking for?
>

If she drives a Series Landy then an MGB would make her feel at home. A
Spitfire will have her in a hedge backwards if she's not careful. The Alfa
Spider will get her talking to all the local Alfa mechanics.
No, as others have said, for a small roadster there is only one worth
considering at that price, the Mazda MX5. Well built and Fun to drive.

Unless you can find a Porsche Boxster in good nick for that price. Some
hope!

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In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London


 

>
>Unless you can find a Porsche Boxster in good nick for that price. Some
>hope!


When I was at the dealer looking at the Elise the other day I was
talking to her only to find she wasn't there any more. Apparently
purple 911 convertibles are definitely 'allowed'....


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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 

"Tim Hobbs" wrote ...
>>
>>Unless you can find a Porsche Boxster in good nick for that price. Some
>>hope!

>
> When I was at the dealer looking at the Elise the other day I was
> talking to her only to find she wasn't there any more. Apparently
> purple 911 convertibles are definitely 'allowed'....
>

The Elise is an excellent roadster, but it's more a serious drivers tool
than just an open top experience. Wide sills to clamber over etc., perhaps a
compromise too far for the wife? That said, the MX5 has good handling and is
fun. It's rather like a modern version of an old MG.

Convertible 911? I though you said £5,000 not £50,000. Mind you it is
possible to pick up an old one, a Targa perhaps, for reasonable money but
worth joining the Owners Club first to see what's on offer.

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>The Elise is an excellent roadster, but it's more a serious drivers tool
>than just an open top experience. Wide sills to clamber over etc., perhaps a
>compromise too far for the wife?


Perfect summary - a cracking car, but at the money it would have to
replace her Merc rather than add to it, which in reality is just not
practical. I'd have ended up driving it every day leaving her the
Volvo. Which would have been awful.

>That said, the MX5 has good handling and is
>fun. It's rather like a modern version of an old MG.


2 problems with the MX5. Her friend has got one, and it's just too
obvious a choice. It's certainly the most sensible of all the options
though.

>
>Convertible 911? I though you said £5,000 not £50,000. Mind you it is
>possible to pick up an old one, a Targa perhaps, for reasonable money but
>worth joining the Owners Club first to see what's on offer.


£58,000 for that particular one. She tried to justify it on the basis
of 2 rear seats (such as they are). Not in this lifetime...

I think I'll have a tour of a few dealers in the next week or two and
see how good a Midget or MG Roadster I can find. It needs to be a
car, not a project. Wet weather issues, speed and practicality don't
come into it really - it's a second car for nice days. It will be
under a tonneau or in the garage for the rest of the time.



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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:52:01 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> Mrs wants a cutesy classic open top. Budget 5K, performance
>> irrelevant, lowish running costs and good looks the factors. Tax
>> exempt would be handy.
>>

>How about a SII 88" soft top?
>
>Budget 5K, yep,
>performance irrelevant, should qualify on that count too,
>lowish running costs, just about,
>good looks, eye of the beholder,
>tax exempt, yep.
>Ideal!
>
>


Read my sig....

:)


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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
On or around Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:40:44 +0000, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>MGA are nice, but would have to double the budget at least. I like
>the Spitfire over the Midget I would say, but haven't really seen any
>promising looking ones advertised. I also like the Stag, but again,
>double the money for a good one. Much more useable than a Midget
>IMHO.


nah, the Stag, lovely though it is, has an awful reputation for reliability,
unless you bastardize it and put a ford cologne lump in it, of course.


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On or around Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:49:22 +0000, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>
>A guy in my area has a TR8, same engine as the early range rovers,
>sounds bootiful and goes like poo-off-spade


yeah, it's a shame they didn't do more with the soft-top TR7. A soft-top
TR8 would be fun.

it's rumored that TR7 - TR8 is not too bad a conversion job.

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On or around Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:22:17 +0000, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>2 problems with the MX5. Her friend has got one, and it's just too
>obvious a choice. It's certainly the most sensible of all the options
>though.


Prolly still outside your budget, but I rather liked the Honda S2000. not
sure if there was a ragtop one.

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Boswell's "Johnson".
 

> Actually, the one I always wanted was the 150hp TR6, but they're in hens'
> teeth territory too.


Ahhh, some day I'll have one too. Absolutely gorgeous.
They seem to be the most popular of the TRs so if you do find one, It won't
be cheap.
When I was looking at prices, I think they were around 12k stg for a
good-to-mint one :-(

Is the 150hp one PI or carbed?

Gromit
 
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