OT slightly re: chassis or no chassis

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LR 110 has chassis ? Fiesta has not ? I thought cars nowadays had sub
chassis or simply monocoque design. Daughter reckons cars still ahve
chassis, trouble is so sdoes friend of hers 30yr old Ford mechanic !
Who's right ? (oh pleeeze let it be me or I can't show my face again and
eat s..t )

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" ..... it is the provenence of knowledge to speak, and it is the privelage
of wisdom to listen"


 


Hirsty's wrote:
>
> LR 110 has chassis ? Fiesta has not ? I thought cars nowadays had sub
> chassis or simply monocoque design. Daughter reckons cars still ahve
> chassis, trouble is so sdoes friend of hers 30yr old Ford mechanic !
> Who's right ? (oh pleeeze let it be me or I can't show my face again and
> eat s..t )
>
LR 90 / 110 / 130 Chassis like most 4wd/off-road vehicles and pick-up
trucks.
LR Freelander monocoque
Fiesta Monocoque like most or maybe all post war sedan's
Some exception, the old Beetle and Citroen 2CV.
They had a chassis but not strong enough to keep it all up.
Part of the body was also used to give some additional strength.
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.

http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper (chassis)
 
Hirsty's wrote:
> LR 110 has chassis ? Fiesta has not ? I thought cars nowadays had sub
> chassis or simply monocoque design. Daughter reckons cars still ahve
> chassis, trouble is so sdoes friend of hers 30yr old Ford mechanic !
> Who's right ? (oh pleeeze let it be me or I can't show my face again and
> eat s..t )

Almost all cars nowadays are monocoque design, very few have a separate
chassis. I'd say you are right, and the 30yo Ford grease monkey is
probably a bit young to actually know what a chassis is.


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EMB
 

> Almost all cars nowadays are monocoque design, very few have a separate
> chassis. I'd say you are right, and the 30yo Ford grease monkey is
> probably a bit young to actually know what a chassis is.
Starbgely enough thats what I said but WW III Started with daughter so I
left well alone. However i hate to be wrong so came to the real engineers
................ :))

Don't think I'll buy Ford in future !!


 
>
>one exception to this is the new discovery which has some weirdness I
>know little about but basically is a combination of the two, sent by
>satan so upset and confuse us mere mortals.
>
>a fiesta does not have a ladder chassis, but it does have core
>structural components giving it the regidity to not fold in half when
>you sit in it, this could rightly be called a chassis, I suppose.
>
>or I may be talking a load of crap..... happens all the time......
>
>
>Regards.
>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)

Definition
chassis
noun [C] plural chassis

the frame of a vehicle, usually including the wheels and engine, onto
which the metal covering is fixed:


The Discovery has a separate chassis. Onto that chassis is fixed a
welded bodyshell, which has a good deal of strength in its own right.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

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Hirsty's wrote:

> LR 110 has chassis ? Fiesta has not ? I thought cars nowadays had sub
> chassis or simply monocoque design. Daughter reckons cars still ahve
> chassis, trouble is so sdoes friend of hers 30yr old Ford mechanic !
> Who's right ? (oh pleeeze let it be me or I can't show my face again and
> eat s..t )
>
> --
>
>
> " ..... it is the provenence of knowledge to speak, and it is the
> privelage of wisdom to listen"

Chassis is the frame on which a car or other vehicle is based. Originally
used on all cars, it was integrated into the body starting with some models
of Lancia about 1920, and this practice was gradually adopted by most
manufacturers with the integration more or less complete for passenger cars
by the 1970's, although there is some argument for cars where there is a
separate chassis but most of the strength is in the body, such as the
Citroen CX. Or the VW beetle and the Citroen D series where the majority
of the strength is in a platform that includes only part of the body
(mainly the floor). The term monocoque should strictly be used only where
the body and chassis are completely integrated with all panels load bearing
- virtually no cars completely meet this criterion, although some are
close.
Despite this sort of argument the traditional chassis continues to be used,
usually for vehicles where different bodies may be fitted, including full
size four wheel drives such as the Landrover 90/110 or Toyota Landcruiser
or Nissan Patrol, and American Style "pick-ups" as well as virtually all
heavy goods vehicles. So-called "SUVs" are tending to move into integrated
body/chassis construction as they become closer to mainstream cars.
JD
 
"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1RsQd.1061$ZZ6.576
@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:

>
>> Almost all cars nowadays are monocoque design, very few have a separate
>> chassis. I'd say you are right, and the 30yo Ford grease monkey is
>> probably a bit young to actually know what a chassis is.
> Starbgely enough thats what I said but WW III Started with daughter so I
> left well alone. However i hate to be wrong so came to the real engineers
> ............... :))
>
> Don't think I'll buy Ford in future !!

You're in the wrong newsgroup to say that :)

Jeremy
 
True but wife has just ordered a Ford Ka ( bright yellow !!! ). We had a
major disagreement about whether I should be insured on her new car when she
got it; now I know what it is I dont think thats really a problem.


Incidentally on a serious note she reckons as I have Full Comp I can drive
it with third party cover; however as far as I know that is'nt possible
between spouses as they consider the property to be owned in common and
therefore needs specified cover on the policy ??


"Jeremy Mortimer" <[email protected]_this.org> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1RsQd.1061$ZZ6.576
> @newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
>
> >
> >> Almost all cars nowadays are monocoque design, very few have a separate
> >> chassis. I'd say you are right, and the 30yo Ford grease monkey is
> >> probably a bit young to actually know what a chassis is.
> > Starbgely enough thats what I said but WW III Started with daughter so
I
> > left well alone. However i hate to be wrong so came to the real
engineers
> > ............... :))
> >
> > Don't think I'll buy Ford in future !!
>
> You're in the wrong newsgroup to say that :)
>
> Jeremy


 
In article <[email protected]>, Hirsty's wrote:
>
> True but wife has just ordered a Ford Ka ( bright yellow !!! ). We had a
>
>

It's the only colour to have!

Yes, my 110 is yellow :)

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.
 
So Erik-Jan Geniets was, like

> Some exception, the old Beetle and Citroen 2CV.
> They had a chassis but not strong enough to keep it all up.

Sorry, the 2CV had not a chassis but a floor-pan - a large roughly
rectangular panel with stiffening ribs that everything bolted to, and was
also basically the floor of the vehicle from engine to tailgate.

I had a big crash in one (my only so far, touch wood), head on with a
Triumph Dolomite. The floor-pan bent until it was touching the ground in
the centre. I thought the car would be a write-off, but the garage just
lifted up the bodywork and engine, slid a new pan underneath and bolted it
all back. Very Land-Rovery. It's why I still like them.


--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:19:53 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Very Land-Rovery. It's why I still like them.

2CV's seem to have the same sort of charm as old landies.

One of my friends drove me and a couple of other people round brighton
in one. Over the speedbumps the boot would pop open and we'd have to
stop and close it to stop the shopping falling out of the back.
The only other vehicle anything like this that i have been in is a
landy where tying the doors shut, window panes falling out on your
lap, and bits dropping off is common.

 


Richard Brookman wrote:
>
> So Erik-Jan Geniets was, like
>
> > Some exception, the old Beetle and Citroen 2CV.
> > They had a chassis but not strong enough to keep it all up.
>
> Sorry, the 2CV had not a chassis but a floor-pan - a large roughly
> rectangular panel with stiffening ribs that everything bolted to, and was
> also basically the floor of the vehicle from engine to tailgate.

More or less the same as the beetle.
But the 2CV has to members over the length with 2 crossmembers.
You can't see this in the center of the chassis because they closed it
up and it looks like a box.
The beetle has one member over the length of the chassis in the center.
Also houses the gear levers, handbrake and heating cables.
The convertible has his reinforcement (Karmann) in the body and not in
the chassis. The chassis for both types are the same.

> I had a big crash in one (my only so far, touch wood), head on with a
> Triumph Dolomite. The floor-pan bent until it was touching the ground in
> the centre. I thought the car would be a write-off, but the garage just
> lifted up the bodywork and engine, slid a new pan underneath and bolted it
> all back. Very Land-Rovery. It's why I still like them.

So they replaced the chassis. It is one piece. Not an easy job though.
With the right tools it will take a day. Do it yourself it will take a
week.

>
> Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous

Je parle francais aussi mais je comprend rien de cette phrase...)*

Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.

)* I do speak french but I do not understand what this means.
 
So Erik-Jan Geniets was, like

> Richard Brookman wrote:
>>
>> So Erik-Jan Geniets was, like
>>
>>> Some exception, the old Beetle and Citroen 2CV.
>>> They had a chassis but not strong enough to keep it all up.
>>
>> Sorry, the 2CV had not a chassis but a floor-pan - a large roughly
>> rectangular panel with stiffening ribs that everything bolted to,
>> and was also basically the floor of the vehicle from engine to
>> tailgate.
>
> More or less the same as the beetle.
> But the 2CV has to members over the length with 2 crossmembers.
> You can't see this in the center of the chassis because they closed it
> up and it looks like a box.

I reckon a chassis has to be separate from the floor to be a "real" chassis.
If not, it's half-way to being a monocoque. We could argue this all week!
Let's agree to disagree. :)>
>>
>> Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous
>
> Je parle francais aussi mais je comprend rien de cette phrase...)*

Je parle francais tres bien: deux bieres, chop chop. That covers most
things, I find. :)

>
> Kind regards,
> Erik-Jan.
>
> )* I do speak french but I do not understand what this means.

It's made of French words but it isn't French. To an English speaker, if
you say it out loud it becomes "paddle your own canoe", an injunction to
look after yourself and not expect help from anyone else.

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 


Richard Brookman wrote:
> I reckon a chassis has to be separate from the floor to be a "real" > chassis. If not, it's half-way to being a monocoque.

I do not agree. So in a VW base dune buggy is becomes a chassis as wel
as in a Citroen Mehari. It is still the same thing.

> We could argue this all week!
> Let's agree to disagree. :)>

Agreed !

> >> Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous
> >
> > Je parle francais aussi mais je comprend rien de cette phrase...)*
>
> Je parle francais tres bien: deux bieres, chop chop. That covers most
> things, I find. :)
>
>
> >
> > )* I do speak french but I do not understand what this means.
>
> It's made of French words but it isn't French. To an English speaker, if
> you say it out loud it becomes "paddle your own canoe", an injunction to
> look after yourself and not expect help from anyone else.
>

Got it. Funny.
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.
 
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