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fanie

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After recently getting flamed somewhat for top-posting - apparently
Outlook express' default behaviour - I am trying the freeware version
of FreeAgent.

Candidly I find it quite clunky and cumbersome. Are there any other
freeware newsreaders out there that have the same ease of use as OE
without the quirks?

Regards
Stephen
 
fanie wrote:
> After recently getting flamed somewhat for top-posting - apparently
> Outlook express' default behaviour - I am trying the freeware version
> of FreeAgent.
>
> Candidly I find it quite clunky and cumbersome. Are there any other
> freeware newsreaders out there that have the same ease of use as OE
> without the quirks?

Thunderbird

http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird



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EMB
 
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
> EMB wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird
>>

Only thing wrong with Thunderbird is that the kill file system doesn't
seem to work too well, or am I missing something ?

Steve (on Thunderbird)
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:21:34 +0000, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
>> EMB wrote:
>>
>>> Thunderbird
>>>
>
>Only thing wrong with Thunderbird is that the kill file system doesn't
>seem to work too well, or am I missing something ?

Try: rm -rf /.

(Oh, 'and on... did you mean killfile system and not kill 'the' file
system...)


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"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
Mother wrote:

>
> Try: rm -rf /.

What ? You work as root all the time ?

Bloody Eunuchs gnus. Should all be bloody well hung....
Go on, you know you can't resist the punchline.

Steve
 
fanie wrote:
> After recently getting flamed somewhat for top-posting - apparently
> Outlook express' default behaviour - I am trying the freeware version
> of FreeAgent.
>
> Candidly I find it quite clunky and cumbersome. Are there any other
> freeware newsreaders out there that have the same ease of use as OE
> without the quirks?
>
> Regards
> Stephen

Outlook Express and oequotefix?
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html

Nigel
--
nigel@leginDOTorg
1979 Lightweight


 

Stephen wrote
> After recently getting flamed somewhat for top-posting - apparently
> Outlook express' default behaviour - I am trying the freeware version
> of FreeAgent.
>
> Candidly I find it quite clunky and cumbersome. Are there any other
> freeware newsreaders out there that have the same ease of use as OE
> without the quirks?
>

I use OE and don't top post, never have, so what's the problem? Just move
the curser.
You need the curser at the top to start so you can delete the last posters
address and details to tidy it up as I have before you start your reply.
I do agree OE, is easy to use, intuitive even, and none of the
mail/newsreaders are perfect.

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London


 
On Friday 18 November 2005 10:40, fanie [[email protected]] wrote in
message <[email protected]>

> After recently getting flamed somewhat for top-posting - apparently
> Outlook express' default behaviour - I am trying the freeware version
> of FreeAgent.
>
> Candidly I find it quite clunky and cumbersome. Are there any other
> freeware newsreaders out there that have the same ease of use as OE
> without the quirks?

Download and install quotefix. It's bloody good and fixes lots of
irregularities, some of which weren't caused by Outlook Express.

If I was still running Windows I'd still be using Outlook Express. Many
people say it's crap but when set up correctly and in good hands it is very
nice to use. Hideously out of date though.

I tried Pan for Windows but the runtime libraries it needed were very slow
and made OE look lightning fast. That was last year which is decades ago in
computing terms. One thing I like about Pan is that multipart posts are
automatically shown as just one post with a green jigsaw piece to let you
know all parts are valid.

You could also give Opera a try which is, er, different but shows promise.
It is limited to 250 headers for the *first* download but this can be
fiddled so it downloads all current headers. I like it in principle but the
interface sucks and the whole thing needs a lot of work.

--
S3 SWB Petrol Hard-top
 
....and fanie spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> After recently getting flamed somewhat for top-posting - apparently
> Outlook express' default behaviour - I am trying the freeware version
> of FreeAgent.
>
> Candidly I find it quite clunky and cumbersome. Are there any other
> freeware newsreaders out there that have the same ease of use as OE
> without the quirks?
>
> Regards
> Stephen

I agree. I downloaded Free Agent a while ago after reading about it on here
and used it for a day or two, but like you I found it a bit tiresome and not
offering any advantage over OE. I'm sure it can do some clever tricks, but
I don't really need them and I found the interface irritating.

OE with Quotefix does everything I need, so I'll probably stick with that.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
Mother wrote:

> Try: rm -rf /.

I tried that on this PC and it said "'rm' is not recognised as an
internal or external command". So feeling a bit miffed at your
misinformation I tried it on the other PC and it made a funny disk
accessing sound and then went off into la-la land and won't reboot any
more. What should I do next to make it work properly again?

--
EMB
 
On 2005-11-18, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> Try: rm -rf /.

Have you ever tried that? Last time I tried it on Solaris it got as
far as /lib then deleted library files that it had mapped into VM and
the rm process fell over. Couldn't get anything else to work after
that mind..

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:35:40 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>I tried that on this PC and it said "'rm' is not recognised as an
>internal or external command". So feeling a bit miffed at your
>misinformation I tried it on the other PC and it made a funny disk
>accessing sound and then went off into la-la land and won't reboot any
>more. What should I do next to make it work properly again?

You need to restore it with the Windows machine. Boot to a DOS prompt
from a bootable floppy and type something like format c: - ignore any
silly warnings, these are left-overs from Windows 3.11, just say Yes
whenever asked...


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:43:12 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Have you ever tried that?

Yes. One of the most satisfying moments of my sad little life seeing
750,000 illegally input patient records whisp away into the ether...

(Note to self: Must not read Neuromancer last thing at night...) :)

Yer right tho', didn't kill the entire system, but what was left was
pretty worthless.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:05:09 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>You need the curser at the top to start so you can delete the last posters
>address and details to tidy it up as I have before you start your reply.

Bob, you have changed my mind - this is the best rationale ever for OE
acting the way it does - sadly it also requires a degree of 'clue'
(which you obviously have) to understand that snipping is _good_ and
top posting _bad_ (caveat - previous comments about it not really
being such a total crime hereabouts lest someone sticks their heels in
and demands the right to do so...) :)


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
Mother wrote:

> You need to restore it with the Windows machine. Boot to a DOS prompt
> from a bootable floppy and type something like format c: - ignore any
> silly warnings, these are left-overs from Windows 3.11, just say Yes
> whenever asked...

It says Sun E4000 on the front of it and doesn't want to know about
Windows. Any further suggestions?

--
EMB
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:51:55 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I agree. I downloaded Free Agent a while ago after reading about it on here
>and used it for a day or two, but like you I found it a bit tiresome and not
>offering any advantage over OE. I'm sure it can do some clever tricks, but
>I don't really need them and I found the interface irritating.

I like it because it doesn't have lots of tricks - does what I want a
text based interface to a text based media to do, and has never fallen
over in the 10+ odd years I've used it.

Mind, I often view the entire Internet as 'just text' which is a step
up from viewing it as a series of 0s and 1s :)

--

There are 11 types of people in this world,
those who do binary and those who don't.

 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:40:28 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>It says Sun E4000 on the front of it and doesn't want to know about
>Windows. Any further suggestions?

Ah, it was the

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.10)
Gecko/20050716 Thunderbird/1.0.6 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104

that was fooling me ;-)

(I had to kill my Doze VM session earlier, when I restarted it, the
pooter ran scandisk on the VM file)

 
Mother wrote:

> Ah, it was the
>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.10)
> Gecko/20050716 Thunderbird/1.0.6 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104
>
> that was fooling me ;-)

Doze box here that's used for remote support of clients. A RedHat box
at work running mail and web for a few clients, and the bloody E4000
humming away in my garage that I've just sucked a whole load of data off
for a client and is on it's way to a new home. I'd always wondered what
would *actually* happen with typing rm -rf /. and now I know. :)

>
> (I had to kill my Doze VM session earlier, when I restarted it, the
> pooter ran scandisk on the VM file)

I hate it when that happens.


--
EMB
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:47:06 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:51:55 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I agree. I downloaded Free Agent a while ago after reading about it on here
>>and used it for a day or two, but like you I found it a bit tiresome and not
>>offering any advantage over OE. I'm sure it can do some clever tricks, but
>>I don't really need them and I found the interface irritating.
>
>I like it because it doesn't have lots of tricks - does what I want a
>text based interface to a text based media to do, and has never fallen
>over in the 10+ odd years I've used it.
>
>Mind, I often view the entire Internet as 'just text' which is a step
>up from viewing it as a series of 0s and 1s :)

Does the full version of agent have an extra setting over the free one
to automatically move to the end of a newsgroup when you swap between
different groups?

Its really starting to annoy me that whenever i swap back to a.f.l
from other groups i get the posts from 2003 (the earliest ones in my
agent database) on screen and have to ctrl-end or scroll right back
down again to get the newest ones.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:49:01 +0000, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Its really starting to annoy me that whenever i swap back to a.f.l
>from other groups i get the posts from 2003 (the earliest ones in my
>agent database) on screen and have to ctrl-end or scroll right back
>down again to get the newest ones.

It doesn't know though, does it, that you want to do this?

To quickly skip to the next unread message, type 'n'

I tend not to use the mouse, simply TAB and n :)


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
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