OT: Horizon - Global Dimming/Warming

Did anyone eles see this documentary this evening?

It was quite disturbing in it's findings but also quite enlightening.

Worth the licence fee in it's own right.

I've never been an enviromentalist in the slightest, the only time I've ever
really noticed how clean we now are is when I visited Moscow 2 years ago.
The air pollution was thick and almost unbearable, within 10 minutes of
being outside I had a headache, the smell took me back to my childhood
living in the suburbs of London.

It seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't unless someone finally
sorts out cold fusion..

Alan M.

"Alan Mudd" wrote ...
> Did anyone eles see this documentary this evening?
>
> It was quite disturbing in it's findings but also quite enlightening.
>
> Worth the licence fee in it's own right.
>
> I've never been an enviromentalist in the slightest, the only time I've
> ever really noticed how clean we now are is when I visited Moscow 2 years
> ago.
> The air pollution was thick and almost unbearable, within 10 minutes of
> being outside I had a headache, the smell took me back to my childhood
> living in the suburbs of London.
>
> It seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't unless someone
> finally sorts out cold fusion..
>
Yes, so unknowingly we have done two things to the environment that have
mostly counteracted each other. If we continue to cut pollution, and thereby
reduce the cooling effect, we must cut greenhouse gasses too or face the
consequences over the next few decades.


--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

"Alan Mudd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Did anyone eles see this documentary this evening?
>
> It was quite disturbing in it's findings but also quite enlightening.
>
> Worth the licence fee in it's own right.
>
> I've never been an enviromentalist in the slightest, the only time I've
ever
> really noticed how clean we now are is when I visited Moscow 2 years ago.
> The air pollution was thick and almost unbearable, within 10 minutes of
> being outside I had a headache, the smell took me back to my childhood
> living in the suburbs of London.
>
> It seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't unless someone
finally
> sorts out cold fusion..
>
> Alan M.
>
>

Wasn't there climate change before man came along? What caused all those
ice ages thousands of years ago? ISTR 20 years or so ago the "experts" were
threatening us with another ice age.................


Dave
1983 series 3 SWB petrol
(proudly contributing to global warming thanks to poor fuel consumption)

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Did anyone eles see this documentary this evening?
>
> It was quite disturbing in it's findings but also quite enlightening.
>
> Worth the licence fee in it's own right.
>
> I've never been an enviromentalist in the slightest, the only time I've ever
> really noticed how clean we now are is when I visited Moscow 2 years ago.
> The air pollution was thick and almost unbearable, within 10 minutes of
> being outside I had a headache, the smell took me back to my childhood
> living in the suburbs of London.
>
> It seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't unless someone finally
> sorts out cold fusion..
>
> Alan M.
>
>
>
Hi Alan

I watched it - with a growing sense of apprehenion.
The nuclear fision scenario seems to offer the only way out unless we
can get the fusion problems licked.
I guess that if we don't get sorted old Gaia will do it for us!

Too many wanting too much.

Perhaps we should persuade Gdubya to pre-emptively nuke China to buy
us a decade or two of time! Then there's India to think about.
They can't all have air-conditioning, fridges, freezers and family
cars or we'll all be bolloxed!

Tough decisions will be required before 2050. I worry for my grand-
children & their kids.

Dave J

On or around Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:10:34 GMT, Jacko <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>> Did anyone eles see this documentary this evening?
>>
>> It was quite disturbing in it's findings but also quite enlightening.
>>
>> Worth the licence fee in it's own right.

bloody bloke doing the narrative drove me nuts. But a worrying conclusion,
even so. Perhaps I should retune the TDi to make black smoke, and help
avoid global warming by creating more dimming... nah, better not.

>> I've never been an enviromentalist in the slightest, the only time I've ever
>> really noticed how clean we now are is when I visited Moscow 2 years ago.
>> The air pollution was thick and almost unbearable, within 10 minutes of
>> being outside I had a headache, the smell took me back to my childhood
>> living in the suburbs of London.
>>
>> It seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't unless someone finally
>> sorts out cold fusion..
>>
>> Alan M.
>>
>>
>>
>Hi Alan
>
>I watched it - with a growing sense of apprehenion.
>The nuclear fision scenario seems to offer the only way out unless we
>can get the fusion problems licked.
>I guess that if we don't get sorted old Gaia will do it for us!
>
>Too many wanting too much.
>
>Perhaps we should persuade Gdubya to pre-emptively nuke China to buy
>us a decade or two of time! Then there's India to think about.
>They can't all have air-conditioning, fridges, freezers and family
>cars or we'll all be bolloxed!

indeed. The world would be much better off with about 40% of its current
population, the trouble is, deciding which 60% to get rid of.

>Tough decisions will be required before 2050. I worry for my grand-
>children & their kids.

much sooner than that, I suspect, if we stand a real chance of stopping it.
What we really need to do is get rid of head-in-the-sand politicos whose
only interest is their own career or making a fast buck out of oil.

As an example: many millions of people commute unnecessarily to work every
day. Communications now really are up to having people working from home.
--
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Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by
too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a
Bank Holiday weekend.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

On or around Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:27:08 -0000, "David Bexhall"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Wasn't there climate change before man came along? What caused all those
>ice ages thousands of years ago? ISTR 20 years or so ago the "experts" were
>threatening us with another ice age.................
>

yes, there was. But it took 10,000 years or so to do the amount of change
we've achieved in 100.

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Just seen this on repeat - scary!


"Alan Mudd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Did anyone eles see this documentary this evening?
>
> It was quite disturbing in it's findings but also quite enlightening.
>
> Worth the licence fee in it's own right.
>
> I've never been an enviromentalist in the slightest, the only time I've
> ever really noticed how clean we now are is when I visited Moscow 2 years
> ago.
> The air pollution was thick and almost unbearable, within 10 minutes of
> being outside I had a headache, the smell took me back to my childhood
> living in the suburbs of London.
>
> It seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't unless someone
> finally sorts out cold fusion..
>
> Alan M.
>
>

Alan Mudd wrote:
> Did anyone eles see this documentary this evening?
>
> It was quite disturbing in it's findings but also quite enlightening.
>
> Worth the licence fee in it's own right.
>
> I've never been an enviromentalist in the slightest, the only time
> I've ever really noticed how clean we now are is when I visited
> Moscow 2 years ago. The air pollution was thick and almost
> unbearable, within 10 minutes of being outside I had a headache, the
> smell took me back to my childhood living in the suburbs of London.
>
> It seems we're damned if we do and damned if we don't unless someone
> finally sorts out cold fusion..
>
> Alan M.

I haven't seen it, but I have noticed Horizons decline from a factual documentary into some kind of
sensationalist scaremonger. They rarely tackle current issues anymore, preferring to look at thinks that
'could' happen & look good on a computer simulation etc.

Don't really watch it much these days.

Nige

--
Subaru WRX (The Bitch)

Series 3 Landrover 88" (Albert)

"If you tolerate this then your children will be next"

>
>Wasn't there climate change before man came along? What caused all those
>ice ages thousands of years ago? ISTR 20 years or so ago the "experts" were
>threatening us with another ice age.................
>
>
>Dave
>1983 series 3 SWB petrol
>(proudly contributing to global warming thanks to poor fuel consumption)
>
>


The argument that nature is actually to blame for the exponential
increase in atmospheric carbon has been the excuse clung on to by anyone
who either has a vested interest in the profitability of carbon emitting
factors or on a much lower (sic) level those 'good ol' boys often know
by the name if 'Bubba' in the USA ,who simply seek to justify their not
subscribing to the solution i.e., changing to a lower polluting
lifestyle.

However such self serving and spurious arguments, though ironically
kamikaze in effect, are easily rebutted by simple reference to the
facts.

WE KNOW THAT THE MASSIVE INCREASE IN ATMOSPHERIC CARBON IS MAN MADE
BECAUSE THE ISOTOPES REVEAL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAN MADE AND NATURAL
PARTICLES.

Or Proof Positive as they say


--
John Lubran

Bull**** baffles brains
High Philosophy c.1969