OT: Good riddance...

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:16:26 +0000, Mr.Nice.
<mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk> wrote:

>I have NO faith in the judgement
>of the police in this country in such circumstances.

If it were not for a couple of police going out on a limb, taking a
chance and nearly losing their jobs, Luckwill would still be posting
here.

 
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:45:36 +0000, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm also rather doubtful that they will be able to enforce the ban on
>owning a computer or camera.

The Judge, though trying to be pragmatic, ignored a representation
that Luckwill should not use the Internet. He was provided with reams
of documentary evidence to demonstrate the core of Luckwills offending
did not happen via his own computer but via cybercafes and his (then)
places of study. Not owning a computer or camera will do little, IMO,
to prevent further offending upon release. It's a common profile and
will be enforced by meeting others of the same 'sort' whilst inside
who will no doubt teach him how to hide his tracks more effectively.

 
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:33:32 +0100, "Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>So next time just shoot him, throw him from the bridge and walk away.

Be under no illusions, there was no shortage of people willing to do
so. I spent several uncomfortable sessions physically preventing
certain people from going of to deliver their particular form of
justice (not all of my 'family' are nice people). Should this have
happened we may all just as well pay off the police, tell them to ****
off home as they're not needed then go shoot our neighbour because we
don't like them driving a Fiat Punto.

We may not like the law and may feel it doesn't do what we'd like it
to do, but without it we all have nothing.

 
In news:p[email protected],
Mother" <"@ {m} @ <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> blithered:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:33:32 +0100, "Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> So next time just shoot him, throw him from the bridge and walk away.
>
> Be under no illusions, there was no shortage of people willing to do
> so. I spent several uncomfortable sessions physically preventing
> certain people from going of to deliver their particular form of
> justice (not all of my 'family' are nice people). Should this have
> happened we may all just as well pay off the police, tell them to ****
> off home as they're not needed then go shoot our neighbour because we
> don't like them driving a Fiat Punto.

But a Panda 4x4 is OK?

>
> We may not like the law and may feel it doesn't do what we'd like it
> to do, but without it we all have nothing.



--
The enemy of my enemy is my fiend?

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
>Subject: Re: Good riddance...
>From: Mother "@{m} @"@101fc.net
>Date: 22/12/2004 09:35 GMT

>We may not like the law and may feel it doesn't do what we'd like it
>to do, but without it we all have nothing.

Absolutely.



Steve. Suffolk.
remove 'knujon' to e-mail

 
Mother" <"@ {m} @ composed the following ...
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:45:36 +0000, Tim Hobbs
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm also rather doubtful that they will be able to enforce the ban on
>> owning a computer or camera.
>
> The Judge, though trying to be pragmatic, ignored a representation
> that Luckwill should not use the Internet. He was provided with reams
> of documentary evidence to demonstrate the core of Luckwills offending
> did not happen via his own computer but via cybercafes and his (then)
> places of study. Not owning a computer or camera will do little, IMO,
> to prevent further offending upon release. It's a common profile and
> will be enforced by meeting others of the same 'sort' whilst inside
> who will no doubt teach him how to hide his tracks more effectively.

... and give him time to properly study how better to hide his tracks.

Sad indictment on society and prisons that many criminals come out even
worse criminals than they go in, or is that just what I perceive?

--
Paul ...
http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
(8(!) Homer Rules ... ;)
"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."


 
On 2004-12-22, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> It's a common profile and will be enforced by meeting others of the
> same 'sort' whilst inside who will no doubt teach him how to hide
> his tracks more effectively.

I was involved with a kiddie-fiddler case some time ago (early 90s)
when one turned up to work beside me at the ISP I was working for at
the time. He downloaded pictures but had never actually tried the
real thing, so the police stated that he probably wouldn't get a
prison sentence precisely for the reasons you've stated above. Once
they searched his flat though he got a 3-month sentence so they must
have found some nasty stuff or evidence of distribution.

This guy was freaky, totally out of control, he wasn't hard to notice
because he looked at them in the office while surrounded by other
people! His boss was standing right behind him once talking on the
phone and grot-boy was still checking out kiddie stuff in a tiny
window on his desktop and copying it onto floppy discs to take home.

When I asked one of the chaps sitting next to him to copy one of his
floppy discs so I could take it to the boss, the chap just took the
disc and gave it to me, then the perv came back in so I didn't have a
chance to put it back. I thought that when he got home and noticed
one of his numbered grot-discs was missing he'd know the game was up
and go clean for a while. Not a bit of it, next day he was back at it
again.

Freaky people!

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:

>
> Freaky people!

'and the sign said long haried freaky people need not apply.........'

--
Subaru WRX (The Bitch)

Series 3 Landrover 88" (Albert)

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So Mr.Nice. was, like

> > Sad indictment on society and prisons that many criminals come out
>> even worse criminals than they go in, or is that just what I
>> perceive?
>
> I think that to those with a mind to continue criminal behavour that
> prison can be something of a 'finishing school'.

"University of Crime" is how I've heard it described. The trouble with
prison is that it is very expensive and doesn't really work very well
long-term. I tend to take an old-fashioned view. If there is a mad dog
loose on a village street, you shoot it, simple as that. The dog's "rights"
don't come into it. I'm not advocating vigilate justice, far from it, just
that I reckon society needs to be a bit more robust in the defence of those
who play by the rules, and in deterring and/or punishing those who can't or
won't. <potential bacon sandwich zooms overhead at Mach 2>

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 
String him up by the bollox !!!

"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sort of 'off topic' anyway.
>
>
>
> "A former West Wales media studies student considered so dangerous to
> children by parents they established a "warning" website about him was
> banned for life today from owning a camera or a computer. And
> 31-year-old Anthony Peter Luckwill was also jailed for 25 months on 15
> counts of possessing indecent images of children. Luckwill, of Priory
> Court, Carmarthen, also placed on the sex offender's register for 10
> years, admitted the offences at Swansea Crown Court.
>
> Francis Jones, prosecuting, said Luckwill joined a Carmarthen based
> support group for families with autistic children. He told members he
> wanted to video children with the condition and asked "wholly
> inappropriate" questions about them. Parents in the group were so
> concerned they called in the police and in November of last year
> police took away a computer from his Carmarthen home for examination.
>
> At the time, Luckwill was already serving a community rehabilitation
> order placed on him for earlier offences of possessing indecent images
> of children. While police were examining the computer Luckwill
> obtained another one and downloaded more indecent images from the
> internet. None of the images related to children involved in the
> Carmarthen support group. Police again visited his home in Carmarthen
> and took away the second computer. In total more than 100 indecent
> images of children were found on the two machines including several
> very serious "category 5" pictures of children actually being abused.
> At first Luckwill claimed the images could have been sent to his
> computers in malicious e-mails but he later admitted to interviewing
> officers he had viewed the images saying, "OK, I've seen thelot". Last
> summer, parents in West Wales set up a website containing Luckwill's
> photograph and asked people to contact the police if they ever
> suspected he was alone with a child.
>
> The website warned that Luckwill was organising car exhibitions to
> which children and their parents were invited. It also contained
> newspaper articles covering indecency court cases involving Luckwill.
> He was expelled from a media studies course at University College
> Lampeter in 2003 after being convicted of possessing indecent images
> of children leading to the community rehabilitation order. Yesterday,
> his barrister Frank Phillips said Luckwill agreed he had an obsession
> with children's underwear but was adamant it was not a sexual
> obsession.
>
> Judge Keith Thomas however said the images in Luckwill's possession
> were mainly of naked children. And he said the defendant's actions at
> the autistic support group were "classic signs of grooming children".
> As well as jailing Luckwill for 25 months he ordered that he should
> not have an interest in or own photographic equipment or computer
> equipment. Judge Thomas said the banning order would be in place
> indefinitely. But he agreed after hearing from Mr Phillips that it
> could make Luckwill unemployable in the future that he could use such
> equipment owned by any future employer. He told him, "You cannot
> possess the equipment or take hire purchase out on it or use someone
> else's equipment for personal use but you can use any employer's
> equipment for work purposes".
>
> The judge also ordered that Luckwill should regularly attend a
> community sex offender programme on his release up to 2009. Because of
> time already served on remand and possible remission, Luckwill could
> be free within two months. The court was told that Luckwill had been
> diagnosed as suffering from Asperger's Syndrome, a form of autism. His
> barrister Frank Phillips said his client was said to be at the milder
> end of the syndrome. And he said it did not affect social interaction.
> The judge said there was no evidence to suggest the syndrome was
> responsible for Luckwill's offences.
>
> Judge Thomas told Luckwill, "In April 2003 you joined the National
> Autistic Support Group in Carmarthen and took an interest in the
> children who were there and asked if you could film them. "You also
> set up your own website on which you asked wholly inappropriate
> questions about children. "These were classic signs of grooming
> children and one of the most serious aspects of this case is that the
> offences were carried out while serving a community rehabilitation
> order...a serious aggravating feature." Bachelor Luckwill's existing
> computer equipment was confiscated by the court."
>


 
So Ian Rawlings was, like

> When I asked one of the chaps sitting next to him to copy one of his
> floppy discs so I could take it to the boss, the chap just took the
> disc and gave it to me, then the perv came back in so I didn't have a
> chance to put it back.

Yer Honour...

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 
On 2004-12-22, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

> 'and the sign said long haried freaky people need not apply.........'

Jeez we needed some staff you know! That would kind of rule out 99%
of the techies on the job market, I myself had long hair and a bald
patch at the time!

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:11:25 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2004-12-22, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
>
>> It's a common profile and will be enforced by meeting others of the
>> same 'sort' whilst inside who will no doubt teach him how to hide
>> his tracks more effectively.
>
>I was involved with a kiddie-fiddler case some time ago (early 90s)

I'd be more carefull how you phrase that!

Alex
 
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