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On or around Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:49:02 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Fanie wrote:
>>> Forgive my ignorance, but what pray tell is a "top post?"
>>
>> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>>
>
>Ok forgive my ignorance, but I hadn't been aware of this piece of etiquette
>so I may or may not have top posted before and I therefore apologise.
>However, it would appear that outlook express has this as its default, am
>sure there must be a way of altering it, but cannot figure out how at
>present. Or am I better abandoning outlook in favour of something else?
>Suggestions please...

Personally, I ditched OE ages ago and have for the last several years used
Forte Agent (free trial to be had, costs about 29 bucks to register the full
one) which has gone from "good" (version 1.2, I think I started with) to
better (version 3 now which is about as good as they get) although it's very
much a personal choice thing. I know people who swear by microplanet
Gravity, and others who favour mozilla thunderbird. they're all good.

Full agent does email as well and v3 will allow multiple servers and
accounts.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles muttered summat about:
> On or around Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:49:02 +0100, "Graham G"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> Personally, I ditched OE ages ago and have for the last several years
> used Forte Agent (free trial to be had, costs about 29 bucks to
> register the full one) which has gone from "good" (version 1.2, I
> think I started with) to better (version 3 now which is about as good
> as they get) although it's very much a personal choice thing. I know
> people who swear by microplanet Gravity, and others who favour
> mozilla thunderbird. they're all good.
>
> Full agent does email as well and v3 will allow multiple servers and
> accounts.

Have to use MS Outlook for e-mail since it syncs with my Pda for the diary
and contacts too. Would be nice if it would have done news too. Will stick
with OE for a bit (until it completely ****es me off), it does what I need
it too.

Thanks though

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
Graham G wrote:

> Have to use MS Outlook for e-mail since it syncs with my Pda for the diary
> and contacts too. Would be nice if it would have done news too. Will stick
> with OE for a bit (until it completely ****es me off), it does what I need
> it too.

Seriously - have a look at Thunderbird. I use Outhouse at work (same
reasons as you) but certainly haven't regretted moving my news (and
personal email) to T'bird.

--
EMB
 
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:49:02 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Ok forgive my ignorance, but I hadn't been aware of this piece of etiquette
>so I may or may not have top posted before and I therefore apologise.

Read my original point again. In general it's not an issue and we'll
let it go in mostly non-techie groups. It only becomes an issue when
people demand that top posting is what they like doing and everyone
else can go screw themselves.

In a group such as this, I for one am more interested in what people
are saying, rather than where they're saying it. Top posting is a
pain, but it's only usenet, nobody dies...


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
Mother" <"@ {mother} @ muttered summat about:

> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:49:02 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok forgive my ignorance, but I hadn't been aware of this piece of
>> etiquette so I may or may not have top posted before and I therefore
>> apologise.
>
> Read my original point again. In general it's not an issue and we'll
> let it go in mostly non-techie groups. It only becomes an issue when
> people demand that top posting is what they like doing and everyone
> else can go screw themselves.
>
> In a group such as this, I for one am more interested in what people
> are saying, rather than where they're saying it. Top posting is a
> pain, but it's only usenet, nobody dies...

Fair enough, although it is important to follow etiquette I feel, if you let
it slide, then eventually everything slides, all part of good manners IMO.
Have got it sorted now thanks to EMB. Does make it easier as before I always
had to delete a line at the top and add one at the bottom, right pain.

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
Mother wrote:
> Top posting is a pain, but it's only usenet, nobody dies...

And telemarketing is only a phone call..... :)


--
EMB
 
In news:[email protected],
Graham G <[email protected]> blithered:
> "EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Fanie wrote:
>>> Forgive my ignorance, but what pray tell is a "top post?"
>>
>> http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
>>
>
> Ok forgive my ignorance, but I hadn't been aware of this piece of
> etiquette so I may or may not have top posted before and I therefore
> apologise. However, it would appear that outlook express has this as
> its default, am sure there must be a way of altering it, but cannot
> figure out how at present. Or am I better abandoning outlook in
> favour of something else? Suggestions please...
>
> Graham

Outlook and Outlook Express are entirely different programs, not even from the
same base I'm told.
I use Outlook Express, although I would suggest Outhouse distress is more apt.
There is a wee freeware (I think) called quotefix which allows one to select top
or bottom cursor position.
It also attempts to correct some of the more obvious dificiences of Outhouse
distress. It has a fair go at fixing the sig seperator, not always successful, but
at least it tries.

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/



--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
In news:[email protected],
Graham G <[email protected]> blithered:
> Mother" <"@ {mother} @ muttered summat about:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:49:02 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok forgive my ignorance, but I hadn't been aware of this piece of
>>> etiquette so I may or may not have top posted before and I therefore
>>> apologise.
>>
>> Read my original point again. In general it's not an issue and we'll
>> let it go in mostly non-techie groups. It only becomes an issue when
>> people demand that top posting is what they like doing and everyone
>> else can go screw themselves.
>>
>> In a group such as this, I for one am more interested in what people
>> are saying, rather than where they're saying it. Top posting is a
>> pain, but it's only usenet, nobody dies...
>
> Fair enough, although it is important to follow etiquette I feel, if
> you let it slide, then eventually everything slides, all part of good
> manners IMO. Have got it sorted now thanks to EMB. Does make it
> easier as before I always had to delete a line at the top and add one
> at the bottom, right pain.

Good manners? Now there's a novel concept!

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
During stardate Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:21:16 +0100, "Graham G"
<[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:


>Have to use MS Outlook for e-mail since it syncs with my Pda for the diary
>and contacts too. Would be nice if it would have done news too. Will stick
>with OE for a bit (until it completely ****es me off), it does what I need
>it too.
>
>Thanks though

Newsgroup software on yer pda....

A4 pocket newsreader... for those threads you just canner get away
from :0)

I use my elchepo Mio via the infrared link to my Nokia 6230... not so
much for the newsgroup to be honest but it has come in handy a couple
of times for that urgent google.

Just felt the need to share that.

Lee D
--
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

www.lrproject.com
'76 101 Camper
'64 88" IIa V8 Auto
'97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
'01 Laguna
 
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:48:09 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Top posting is a pain, but it's only usenet, nobody dies...
>
>And telemarketing is only a phone call..... :)

No, it's a sport (for us...)

http://www.commedia.tv/electricity-leak.mp3



--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
Mother wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:48:09 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>Top posting is a pain, but it's only usenet, nobody dies...
>>
>>And telemarketing is only a phone call..... :)
>
>
> No, it's a sport (for us...)
>
> http://www.commedia.tv/electricity-leak.mp3

That was to what I was referring - you have a reasonably larger group of
listeners at this end of the world now. Any objections if I steal your
concept and do something similar?

--
EMB
 
Lee_D muttered summat about:

> During stardate Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:21:16 +0100, "Graham G"
> <[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:
>
>
>> Have to use MS Outlook for e-mail since it syncs with my Pda for the
>> diary and contacts too. Would be nice if it would have done news
>> too. Will stick with OE for a bit (until it completely ****es me
>> off), it does what I need it too.
>>
>> Thanks though
>
> Newsgroup software on yer pda....
>
> A4 pocket newsreader... for those threads you just canner get away
> from :0)
>
> I use my elchepo Mio via the infrared link to my Nokia 6230... not so
> much for the newsgroup to be honest but it has come in handy a couple
> of times for that urgent google.
>
> Just felt the need to share that.
>
> Lee D

That would be a really bad idea, some days I find solitaire to distracting
and don't get enough work done without that too ;o) But thanks for the
suggestion...

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
GbH muttered summat about:

> Good manners? Now there's a novel concept!

Unfortunately so...

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
GbH muttered summat about:

> Outlook and Outlook Express are entirely different programs, not even
> from the same base I'm told.
> I use Outlook Express, although I would suggest Outhouse distress is
> more apt. There is a wee freeware (I think) called quotefix which
> allows one to select top or bottom cursor position.
> It also attempts to correct some of the more obvious dificiences of
> Outhouse distress. It has a fair go at fixing the sig seperator, not
> always successful, but at least it tries.
>
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

EMB put me onto that one. It certainly does help!!

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:45:04 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>> http://www.commedia.tv/electricity-leak.mp3
>
>That was to what I was referring - you have a reasonably larger group of
>listeners at this end of the world now.

In good company. That particular clip has been broadcast on BBC Radio
4 a couple of times (well, parts of it), mentioned on a few consumer
programs and also mentioned in a couple of newspapers and magazines.

It did actually backfire for a while, with fecking recruitment
agencies trying get the better of me. We started charging them, the
calls stopped quicker than registering with any 'preference' service!

>Any objections if I steal your concept and do something similar?

Please feel free, although I'm really not sure I could claim it as my
own original idea, I somehow suspect it's a long established sport :)


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
On or around Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:42:44 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:48:09 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Top posting is a pain, but it's only usenet, nobody dies...
>>
>>And telemarketing is only a phone call..... :)
>
>No, it's a sport (for us...)
>
>http://www.commedia.tv/electricity-leak.mp3

hehe. you norty bloke, you.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
 

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:45:04 +1300, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.commedia.tv/electricity-leak.mp3
>>
>>That was to what I was referring - you have a reasonably larger group of
>>listeners at this end of the world now.
>
> In good company. That particular clip has been broadcast on BBC Radio
> 4 a couple of times (well, parts of it), mentioned on a few consumer
> programs and also mentioned in a couple of newspapers and magazines.
>
> It did actually backfire for a while, with fecking recruitment
> agencies trying get the better of me. We started charging them, the
> calls stopped quicker than registering with any 'preference' service!
>
>>Any objections if I steal your concept and do something similar?
>
> Please feel free, although I'm really not sure I could claim it as my
> own original idea, I somehow suspect it's a long established sport :)

It is! I did something similar around 9 years ago with C R Smith double
glazing, I managed to keep the bloke on the phone for nearly an hour by
asking some really stupid and off-the-wall questions about their windows,
was his glass thicker, could you break in with a blowlamp etc etc etc,
before finally asking him if he ever bothered to check their installation
records to make sure he wasn't calling someone who'd had CR Smith double
glazing installed 18 months previous..... there was a stoney silence,
followed by me asking him if he'd enjoyed me wasting his time and would he
now consider how others felt when he called them up cold...... he hung up,
damned inconsiderate of him I thought! Funny though, I've never been called
by CR Smith since......
Friend in Edinburgh gave in to a pushy conservatory salesman who wanted to
show him their new range of upvc conservatories, bloke was really
disgruntled to find the address was an upper-floor flat..... my friend met
him at the entrance and pointed up at his living-room window and said "so,
do you put them on stilts or what?"
Badger.


 
Mother wrote:

> It did actually backfire for a while, with fecking recruitment
> agencies trying get the better of me. We started charging them, the
> calls stopped quicker than registering with any 'preference' service!

Any unsolicited faxes I get are normally replied to with a notification
that I will charge for any future faxes I receive. I've had to pursue a
couple of them thru the small claims cort - but I've had a good laugh
doing it and now the fax machine is strangely silent.
>
> Please feel free, although I'm really not sure I could claim it as my
> own original idea, I somehow suspect it's a long established sport :)

I'll have to start recording the calls. I've been stringing the
American Express people along a bit - they keep offering me a card and I
keep wasting their time, even to the stage of filling out the forms,
receiving the card and then returning it because "I've changed my mind".
They obviously don't keep records of this as they call me every few
months to have another go. Unfortunately there's no equivalent to the
'preference' service here or I'd list my number.


--
EMB
 
EMB muttered summat about:

> I'll have to start recording the calls. I've been stringing the
> American Express people along a bit - they keep offering me a card
> and I keep wasting their time, even to the stage of filling out the
> forms, receiving the card and then returning it because "I've changed
> my mind". They obviously don't keep records of this as they call
> me every few months to have another go. Unfortunately there's no
> equivalent to the 'preference' service here or I'd list my number.

I knew someone who used to get a lot of credit card offers through the post,
so he started sending them each others offers back in their prepaid
envelopes. They soosn stopped sending it.

The other one he did was with telesales. If anyone phoned up and offered
anything for the house (windows etc) he would keep them on the phone for
ages sounding interested, then in the end when they ask if they can send
someone round to talk about it he would say, "well I guess you should speak
to the housing assosiation first" they usually hung up then. Very rare was
it to get a call from the same company twice :eek:)

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
On or around Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:44:01 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>
>The other one he did was with telesales. If anyone phoned up and offered
>anything for the house (windows etc) he would keep them on the phone for
>ages sounding interested, then in the end when they ask if they can send
>someone round to talk about it he would say, "well I guess you should speak
>to the housing assosiation first" they usually hung up then. Very rare was
>it to get a call from the same company twice :eek:)

Mate of mine once got a d/g salesman to call, knowing full well that the
house already had d/g and besides it belonged to the council.

When the bloke showed up he was somewhat miffed to find d/g already
installed. "Oh, has it? quoth my mate. "Coo. I didn't realise that. See,
it's a council house."
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
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