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Chap who lives next to a policeman gets arrested by four coppers
because he refuses to return a football from next door that smashed
his greenhouse glass! He gets arrested for theft of the football.
It's not clear if the ball belonged to his policeman neighbour though.

"They can't come out to burglaries, do you think they would've come
out, four policeman to collect a ball?"

Very very silly indeed.

On the flipside, I bought a car from a chap who lived next to a
policeman, the car hadn't had road tax for years and his neighbour had
prodded him about it a few times but didn't get a riot van out to
knick him. It's just a shame they don't get rid of the bad eggs.

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Ian Rawlings wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/5113082.stm
>
> Chap who lives next to a policeman gets arrested by four coppers
> because he refuses to return a football from next door that smashed
> his greenhouse glass! He gets arrested for theft of the football.
> It's not clear if the ball belonged to his policeman neighbour
> though.
>
> "They can't come out to burglaries, do you think they would've come
> out, four policeman to collect a ball?"
>
> Very very silly indeed.
>
> On the flipside, I bought a car from a chap who lived next to a
> policeman, the car hadn't had road tax for years and his neighbour
> had prodded him about it a few times but didn't get a riot van out
> to knick him. It's just a shame they don't get rid of the bad eggs.


It's crazy, buty you are bound to get some idiots that abuse thier position, i am surprised all four of
them agreed to do it!!!

The Police round here seem to be getting slightly ahead of the situation with burglaries & car theft
etc.They have a positive presence on an estate a few miles away where all the known villains seem to come
from. They opened up a flat as a police station & it is paying dividends by the look of it.

The problem with the Police is there's not enough of them & resources are spread way too thinly. I do
feel there is far too much importance placed on traffic offences, even minor things & not enough on anti
social behaviour, which does lead onto more damaging crime.

I think in order to cut down on anti social behaviour the parents are gonna have to be locked up if the
kids keep re-offending. Simplistic, but i bet thye would know where our Brooklyn is at 3am every night if
they face the consequences of the little ****s behaviour.

Nige
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On 2006-06-25, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

> The problem with the Police is there's not enough of them &
> resources are spread way too thinly. I do feel there is far too much
> importance placed on traffic offences, even minor things & not
> enough on anti social behaviour, which does lead onto more damaging
> crime.

Possibly, but on the other hand, driving a car is the most dangerous
thing that most people do, it's so commonplace that it's easy to
forget that just straying over the white line or taking a corner too
fast can end up in you hitting a truck and getting minced
(a.k.a. "died instantly"). Burglaries and graffiti spraying don't
tend to result in death.

On yet another hand (the world is never simple) I was surprised to
read recently that more people commit suicide than die in traffic
accidents, so getting depressed is much more dangerous than driving.
Perception of crime and low-level crime can certainly play a part in
that, although depression can thrive even in an otherwise problem-free
life.

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In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2006-06-25, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The problem with the Police is there's not enough of them &
> > resources are spread way too thinly. I do feel there is far too much
> > importance placed on traffic offences, even minor things & not
> > enough on anti social behaviour, which does lead onto more damaging
> > crime.
>
> Possibly, but on the other hand, driving a car is the most dangerous
> thing that most people do, it's so commonplace that it's easy to
> forget that just straying over the white line or taking a corner too
> fast can end up in you hitting a truck and getting minced
> (a.k.a. "died instantly"). Burglaries and graffiti spraying don't
> tend to result in death.

Oh yes they do...... see your next paragraph!

>
> On yet another hand (the world is never simple) I was surprised to
> read recently that more people commit suicide than die in traffic
> accidents, so getting depressed is much more dangerous than driving.
> Perception of crime and low-level crime can certainly play a part in
> that, although depression can thrive even in an otherwise problem-free
> life.
>

Richard

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On 2006-06-25, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

> Oh yes they do...... see your next paragraph!

The link is more tenuous, "don't tend to" doesn't mean "plays no part
in under any circumstances".

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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/5113082.stm
>
> Chap who lives next to a policeman gets arrested by four coppers
> because he refuses to return a football from next door that smashed
> his greenhouse glass! He gets arrested for theft of the football.
> It's not clear if the ball belonged to his policeman neighbour though.
>
> "They can't come out to burglaries, do you think they would've come
> out, four policeman to collect a ball?"
>
> Very very silly indeed.
>
> On the flipside, I bought a car from a chap who lived next to a
> policeman, the car hadn't had road tax for years and his neighbour had
> prodded him about it a few times but didn't get a riot van out to
> knick him. It's just a shame they don't get rid of the bad eggs.

H'mmm interesting. I think I may be deveopling tourettes ;-)

Heres a story which sounds far less bitter in it's origin, made me well up
it did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5099190.stm?ls

Lee D


 
Lee_D wrote:
> Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
> about:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/5113082.stm
>>
>> Chap who lives next to a policeman gets arrested by four coppers
>> because he refuses to return a football from next door that smashed
>> his greenhouse glass! He gets arrested for theft of the football.
>> It's not clear if the ball belonged to his policeman neighbour
>> though. "They can't come out to burglaries, do you think they would've come
>> out, four policeman to collect a ball?"
>>
>> Very very silly indeed.
>>
>> On the flipside, I bought a car from a chap who lived next to a
>> policeman, the car hadn't had road tax for years and his neighbour
>> had prodded him about it a few times but didn't get a riot van out
>> to knick him. It's just a shame they don't get rid of the bad
>> eggs.
>
> H'mmm interesting. I think I may be deveopling tourettes ;-)
>
> Heres a story which sounds far less bitter in it's origin, made me
> well up it did.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5099190.stm?ls
>
> Lee D


Sound slike a shaggy dog story to me.................

I'll get me coat!

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Richard Brookman wrote:
> Lee_D wrote:
>
> || Heres a story which sounds far less bitter in it's origin, made me
> || well up it did.
> ||
> || http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5099190.stm?ls
>
> Or this - http://myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=endal_ul
>
> The photo alone makes the dog an honorary member of afl.
>

Endal is a well known dog. My ex-IBM colleague and photographer has
been with him and his owner, shooting photos of the dog filling the
washing machine and helping at the cashpoint etc. He has appeared on
TV many times.

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In article <[email protected]>, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> writes
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/5113082.stm
>
>Chap who lives next to a policeman gets arrested by four coppers
>because he refuses to return a football from next door that smashed
>his greenhouse glass! He gets arrested for theft of the football.
>It's not clear if the ball belonged to his policeman neighbour though.
>
>"They can't come out to burglaries, do you think they would've come
>out, four policeman to collect a ball?"
>
>Very very silly indeed.
>
>On the flipside, I bought a car from a chap who lived next to a
>policeman, the car hadn't had road tax for years and his neighbour had
>prodded him about it a few times but didn't get a riot van out to
>knick him. It's just a shame they don't get rid of the bad eggs.

Some are great.

I gave a lift to one of ours once in our battered old Fiat Strada. I'd
gone about 100 yards before I remembered the speedo was broken (again!).
Yes he'd noticed, but he spent the trip making a study of the scenery
going past the passenger window. Nothing was said at the end (nor needed
to be).

Sadly, he's no longer with the force.


Regards,

Simonm.

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> Sadly, he's no longer with the force.

Did he go to "The Dark Side"? :)

In all seriousness tho, I do think that they suffer from a
serious lack of funding and are under-resourced. I mean, they
could only manage to scrape together 250 officers to raid a
terraced house in London :) :)

No, really and truthfully - you couldn't pay me enough to do
their job - my brother in law is in the Police, and although
the area he is in can be quite exciting, he has to put up with
a lot of **** from Joe Public.

Matt
 
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:51:18 +0100, Matthew Maddock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> you couldn't pay me enough to do
> their job - my brother in law is in the Police, and although
> the area he is in can be quite exciting, he has to put up with
> a lot of **** from Joe Public.

so do ...
o shop assistants
o bus drivers
o nurses
o etc.

is it all undeserved? hrmm - swings & round-a-bouts methinks. There's a
little of: "as you sew, so shall you reap" in all this.

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:06:41 +0100, William Tasso wrote:

> There's a little of: "as you sew, so shall you reap" in all this.

I like the sentiment but it's few bad apples that cause the good ones to
catch the flak as well. Personally if I get treated badly by a "customer
facing representative" of an organisation it's that person who gets the
flak from me and hopefully their boss if I escalate the complaint. The
next "customer facing representative" from the same organisation starts
with a clean slate not the one sullied by the previous experience. Sadly
it appears a lot of people don't or can't mamage to do that. I also try
to differentiate between the individual and the organisation they
represent, this means avoiding the use of the word "you" when refering to
the organisation.

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> so do ...
> o shop assistants
> o bus drivers
> o nurses
> o etc.

Indeed! My wife is a midwife and the crap she has to put up with
has to be heard to be believed - you would have thought that people
would be nice to each other surrounding the birth of a child, but it
just doesn't happen. The number of times she has to page security
for an emergency is astonishing - it is quite frightening when she
is very often the only midwife on duty on a night for an entire ward.

> is it all undeserved? hrmm - swings & round-a-bouts methinks. There's
> a little of: "as you sew, so shall you reap" in all this.

One midwife where my wife works had her arm broken by the partner of
one of the women in there - you can't tell me that she did anything
to deserve that! My mum decided to take a part-time job in a shop for
a bit of extra cash - she packed it in after two weeks because she
couldn't stand the customers being so rude to her, and there is no
way on earth she would ever be rude to a customer, quite the opposite.

I'm not saying some people in public services are not rude - bus drivers
are classic examples! but I do think that a lot of it comes from how
you are treat by the public in the first place.

Matt
 
On 2006-06-27, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> I like the sentiment but it's few bad apples that cause the good ones to
> catch the flak as well. Personally if I get treated badly by a "customer
> facing representative" of an organisation it's that person who gets the
> flak from me and hopefully their boss if I escalate the complaint.

The difficulty is when the institution's employees commit some rather
nasty offences and the institution doesn't punish the miscreants,
that's when you think that there's a problem. When that institution's
purpose in life is law enforcement that then doesn't get applied to
its own members then people bitch like mad. This is why I personally
don't trust the police organisation as a whole but don't by default
apply that to the individual staff, the same goes for the political
establishment although in their case I don't trust the organisation as
a whole, *or* the individual staff.

So to re-write your initial sentence, it's the few bad apples that
then don't get punished significantly that cause the whole lot to
catch flak. Examples are the lack of prosecutions for the deaths of
people in police custody where the deaths were proven to be caused by
the actions of the officers in a manner in which they were found to be
at fault, e.g. beatings, excessive restraint, inaction while
restrained people choked and so on. Other examples are the cases
where innocent people have been locked up and then evidence has been
shown to have been falsified by officers, who are then given a verbal
dressing down or allowed to retire early on full pension, when they
should have been charged with perverting the course of justice.

In the recent ludicrous case of the police officers arresting a man
for "stealing" their ball, the one who set that one up should be
charged with wasting police time, perhaps something related to
bringing the police into disrepute as well.

The organisation should be an example of law and order, occasional
staff mistakes and dishonesty are inevitable and should be punished in
accordance with the law.

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Ian Rawlings wrote:

> So to re-write your initial sentence, it's the few bad apples that
> then don't get punished significantly that cause the whole lot to
> catch flak. Examples are the lack of prosecutions for the deaths of
> people in police custody where the deaths were proven to be caused by
> the actions of the officers in a manner in which they were found to be
> at fault, e.g. beatings, excessive restraint, inaction while
> restrained people choked and so on. Other examples are the cases
> where innocent people have been locked up and then evidence has been
> shown to have been falsified by officers, who are then given a verbal
> dressing down or allowed to retire early on full pension, when they
> should have been charged with perverting the course of justice.

And subsequently treated as the perverts they are!!

>
> The organisation should be an example of law and order, occasional
> staff mistakes and dishonesty are inevitable and should be punished in
> accordance with the law.



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In message <[email protected]>
Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> wrote:

> > so do ...
> > o shop assistants
> > o bus drivers
> > o nurses
> > o etc.
>
> Indeed! My wife is a midwife and the crap she has to put up with
> has to be heard to be believed - you would have thought that people
> would be nice to each other surrounding the birth of a child, but it
> just doesn't happen. The number of times she has to page security
> for an emergency is astonishing - it is quite frightening when she
> is very often the only midwife on duty on a night for an entire ward.
>
> > is it all undeserved? hrmm - swings & round-a-bouts methinks. There's
> > a little of: "as you sew, so shall you reap" in all this.
>
> One midwife where my wife works had her arm broken by the partner of
> one of the women in there - you can't tell me that she did anything
> to deserve that! My mum decided to take a part-time job in a shop for
> a bit of extra cash - she packed it in after two weeks because she
> couldn't stand the customers being so rude to her, and there is no
> way on earth she would ever be rude to a customer, quite the opposite.
>
> I'm not saying some people in public services are not rude - bus drivers
> are classic examples! but I do think that a lot of it comes from how
> you are treat by the public in the first place.
>
> Matt

Equally it works the other way too - during my time on BR I got so
sick of the public suddenly becomming experts on everything that,
like most of the rest of us, I took to hiding when passengers were
about. The usual sort of thing was : "We can't move the train because
it has failed it's brake test, Sir", "Why not?" "Er, because the brakes
don't work porperly", "Well, you moving it now" "Yes, to the sidings",
"So, the brakes do work". "No, we've pulled the chord so we can move
it". "So why can't we use it then", etc etc - you get the idea.
This would be same person who would be first in the queue at court
if something had gone wrong, no doubt.

The best of all though was at Exeter St. Davids station "Can you
tell me what platform we need when we get to Glasgow to go to
Kyle Of Lochalsh" (sp?). Needless to say, I've no idea, but suggested
that the booking office could ring Glasgow if they were not too busy.
The bloke went of ranting to his wife and kids about "the bl***y
Railway" etc etc. That was the day I gave up caring.

Fortunately, LR owners are, apart from one to date, the nices bunch
of people you could wish to meet.

Richard
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Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
>> so do ...
>> o shop assistants
>> o bus drivers
>> o nurses
>> o etc.
>
> Indeed! My wife is a midwife and the crap she has to put up with
> has to be heard to be believed

And Computer Techies too, corrupt the lot of them.... god they can be the
worst offenders. I mean "Your interface is down" who actually believes this
crap. "Your Hard drive has failed" which roughly translates in to I've
fuscked it up beyond recognition but I'm dammed if I'm taking the fall for
it. "It's a server error, try again in a couple of hours", transltes to "my
shift is nearly ended and it's too hard for me to think about, I'm on a good
run on spider solitare and can't be arsed."

Techies should be fastened in stocks in the market place and publicly
whipped.

I once had a IT failure at work which eventually turned out to be a simple
case of having to reboot, but the systems providors sent no less than 6
Techies to my desk, all blaming each others systems, I mean it would be
laughable if it wasn't so serious. There I was trying to deploy four
officers to a real crime , you know Murder, Rape, Burglary when in one click
of a mouse the dammed system purely due to the corruption of these Techies
sends those offices to the report of a trivial matter where some geezer
won't give a ball back. Next thing you know it's all over the landrover news
group - no doubt further evidence if it were needed that the Techies are
institutionally blaming ever other fecker to the point they actually beleive
Windows is the future.


As for Bus drivers... well Alex?

;-)

My other reply sat open for at least 10 minutes before I realised life was
far too short.

Lee D


 
On 2006-06-27, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:

> My other reply sat open for at least 10 minutes before I realised life was
> far too short.

Don't take it personally Lee, people have been moaning about daft
things that other people do since time began. Just because some
people have a prod at the police doesn't mean it's aimed at you, after
all you don't see mechanics in the group leaping up and down with
indignation when someone posts a story about a mechanic doing
something daft. Ditto doctors, lawyers, freelander drivers and just
about any other subsection of society that occasionally gets some
stick, most of whom we've had in this group at some point or other.
I'm an IT contractor who does work for the government, I don't get
****y when people bitch about people like EDS because I know how bad
they can be myself.

And as for techies, until you've heard a techie rant at a member of
tech support staff, you won't know how to properly bitch at a techie ;-)

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Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

> Don't take it personally Lee

No problem, just a little light entertainment whilst waiting for MOT time.

:).

Lee D


 
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