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In <[email protected]> Nige wrote:
> The best bit (hopefully) is it had a 35k 3.9 engine, gearbox &
> transfer box all warranted!
>
> Main question, can it go in mine with too much bother? what would I
> need?

Yes, the engine is a straight swap, if both are auto then there's a good
chance that the gearboxes are the same anyway. Transfer box should be a
Borg Warner which is probably (but not necessarily) the same as the one
you have.

The thing to watch with the engine is to make sure that, as well as
getting all the parts (air flow meter, ECU etc...) you get the complete
engine EFi harness out intact. Disconnect the harness from the ECU (
under the drivers seat), disconnect the multi way plug from the vehicles
harness (just near the large grommet where the EFi harness goes through
the bulkhead, in the drivers footwell. It's worth cutting the other half
of that connector away from the vehicle's harness with a suitable tail
on it as it has more connectors than the flapper one. Then you can feed
the harness back into the engine bay, disconnect the earth wires from
the battery and the harness will come out with the engine.

You'll also need the radiator, expansion bottle, ignition coil, power
steering reservoir and don't forget the various brackets that hold these
items on.

For simplicity, use your existing manifolds/exhaust. If the 3.9 exhaust
has lambda sensors then take them with you so you can fit them to your
exhaust (they are a metric thread (M12x1 IIRC) so you can buy a suitable
nut to weld to your exhaust from Bradford Nut and Bolt.

If you want to use the gearbox and it is an auto then make sure you get
the oil cooler and pipes as they are a larger bore than the 3.5 version.

Don't forget to grab the inertia switch (next to the ECU) and check for
a speed sensor in the speedo cable.

When removing the engine/gearbox it is worth (assuming auto again)
removing the transfer lever alloy bracket from the top of the gearbox -
it has a nasty tendency to catch on the tunnel and shear off,
replacements are about 60 quid !

That should do it !

cheers

Dave W.
Yorkshire Off Road Club
<http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/>
 
On or around Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:53:34 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Steve Taylor wrote:
>
>> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Rich Clafton seems happy enough with the 'go' from his... As standard
>>> 101 had 135bhp I think - a decent 200TDi didn't ought to feel too bad
>>> by comparison.
>>
>> The plated HP is less than 135, more like 120 AFAIK. The 200Tdi, with a
>> bit of knobbling, CAN do 130+ according to my esteemed friend professor
>> Shackles.
>>
>> No, its really if the gearbox will take the load of the rest of the
>> ambi. I can't see it being a particularly heavily driven vehicle, but I
>> don't want to rebuild the box more than the once.
>>
>
>The 200 can do closer to around 145-150 with the right tweaking, but it'll
>smoke like a bugger under load accelerating.
>
>The question is whether or not you actually want to up the power in a 101
>that much - I believe Martyn has opinions on overdoing the power on those
>motors - something to the effect of "Bloody scary" or somesuch.
>
>It was the gearbox I was thinking of too - the one in the Disco isn't the
>strongest one LR ever put out AFAICT.

mind, discos and RRs weigh about 2 tons, and quite a lot of owners tow
trailers. Also, the same box is used in the farmers' favourite, the 90, and
they typically tow about 3 tons behind it.

 
On or around Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:31:11 +0000 (UTC), Dave White
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The thing to watch with the engine is to make sure that, as well as
>getting all the parts (air flow meter, ECU etc...) you get the complete
>engine EFi harness out intact. Disconnect the harness from the ECU

You'll want the ECU an' all, since the 3.9 is a hotwire, it's not the same
ECU. Just thought I'd make the point crystal clear.

you can do the swap, but you need pretty much everything from the air
cleaner to the exhaust, including all the electronics.

I haven't looked into it in detail, but I imagine swapping my 3.5 hotwire in
the disco for a 3.9 would be slightly easier, as most of the wiring etc.
should already be there.

 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 6 Nov 2004 00:31:11 +0000 (UTC), Dave White
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>The thing to watch with the engine is to make sure that, as well as
>>getting all the parts (air flow meter, ECU etc...) you get the complete
>>engine EFi harness out intact. Disconnect the harness from the ECU
>
> You'll want the ECU an' all, since the 3.9 is a hotwire, it's not the same
> ECU. Just thought I'd make the point crystal clear.
>
> you can do the swap, but you need pretty much everything from the air
> cleaner to the exhaust, including all the electronics.
>
> I haven't looked into it in detail, but I imagine swapping my 3.5 hotwire in
> the disco for a 3.9 would be slightly easier, as most of the wiring etc.
> should already be there.
>

Bugger that then!

It was just a good deal, too much work to find its fecked!

I'll find a decent 3.5 from somewhere when it's needed! There's tons of them about.

Ta

Nige



 
:))))

backfired; now she wants a Discovery as a runabout. What next !


 
In news:[email protected],
Hirsty's <[email protected]> blithered:
> :))))
>
> backfired; now she wants a Discovery as a runabout. What next !

Hmm, might be wise not to ask!

--
UR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP
If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
In <[email protected]> Nige wrote:
>
>
> Bugger that then!
>
> It was just a good deal, too much work to find its fecked!
>
> I'll find a decent 3.5 from somewhere when it's needed! There's tons
> of them about.

That being the case.... do you happen to know how much they wanted for
the engine/gearbox ? Was it an auto ?
 

"Dave White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In <[email protected]> Nige wrote:
>>
>>
>> Bugger that then!
>>
>> It was just a good deal, too much work to find its fecked!
>>
>> I'll find a decent 3.5 from somewhere when it's needed! There's tons
>> of them about.
>
> That being the case.... do you happen to know how much they wanted for
> the engine/gearbox ? Was it an auto ?

It was matey, the whole car was VERY tidy, so the indicated 35k is very probably right.

They wanted around £300, you could bargain maybe?

Ta

Nige


 
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:06:39 -0000, "Nige"
<nigel.inceNO****[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Bugger that then!
>
>It was just a good deal, too much work to find its fecked!
>
>I'll find a decent 3.5 from somewhere when it's needed! There's tons of them about.

Why not go for the 3.9 and fit a Weber or twin SUs?

AJH
 

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:06:39 -0000, "Nige"
> <nigel.inceNO****[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Bugger that then!
>>
>>It was just a good deal, too much work to find its fecked!
>>
>>I'll find a decent 3.5 from somewhere when it's needed! There's tons of them about.
>
> Why not go for the 3.9 and fit a Weber or twin SUs?
>
> AJH

I could do, but thinking about it, I'll replace like for like. It's not really needed right now.

Ta

Nige


 
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:59:17 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>How long is it going to be until all 101 enthusiasts are clubbing together
>bits of their various lovelies to keep one last one running do you think?

We've been doing this for years already...

I doubt many landies will outlive the 101 though. Given there were
only 2,664 made they have to be the rarest 'still on the road', even
compared to the S1s and 2s.

 
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:52:53 +0000, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Fantastic result. I often drive past but a) I'm usually in a suit and
>b) in a hurry so have never called in. Don't suppose they've got a
>101 with good gearbox in the corner?

I may be tempted to sell my old one (need to get the transfer kit
replaced, but that's not going to be a problem).

 

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:30:09 -0000, "Nige"
> <nigel.inceNO****[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>From Huddersfield to Bradford I pass by Cooper Bridge Scrapyard.
>
> Fantastic result. I often drive past but a) I'm usually in a suit and
> b) in a hurry so have never called in. Don't suppose they've got a
> 101 with good gearbox in the corner?


Not that I saw Tim. I have used them many times. Seem cheap enough! I pass by at least 10-15 times a
week. Like you mostly suited!

Cheers

Nige


 
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:53:34 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The question is whether or not you actually want to up the power in a 101
>that much -

The answer is... OF COURSE YOU DO!

>I believe Martyn has opinions on overdoing the power on those
>motors - something to the effect of "Bloody scary" or somesuch.

The auto box makes it a true joy to trundle around in - and soaks up
the extra oomph a treat. Top speed so far 89.4mph

The brakes however... different story. Current plan is to get a
slightly modified TVR set or maybe rethink the Zeus kit.

>It was the gearbox I was thinking of too - the one in the Disco isn't the
>strongest one LR ever put out AFAICT.

Take the engine and gearbox directly from a Disco or 90 etc., mod the
mounts and change the prop lengths - job's a goodun - and a lot easier
than one may think. A 101 - as others have hinted, is not going to be
and heavier than a 90 towing a trailer full of firewood.

 
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:56:03 +0000, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Apart from the mainshaft wear and the dodgy clutch release thingy, do
>they actually break through weakness? All the failures I hear of seem
>to be one of the above.

The main issue is the splines on the output shaft and the ****ty
thrust bearings / washers in the lousy transfer box. The worst of
design IMO although Nick Kays kit solves the problem (at least, it
would have done on mine if there weren't a slight machining error, but
Nick'll exchange it - even though I don't have that gearbox any longer
in a motor).

 
In message <[email protected]>, Paul S. Brown
<[email protected]> writes
>Steve Taylor wrote:
>
>> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Rich Clafton seems happy enough with the 'go' from his... As standard
>>> 101 had 135bhp I think - a decent 200TDi didn't ought to feel too bad
>>> by comparison.
>>
>> The plated HP is less than 135, more like 120 AFAIK. The 200Tdi, with a
>> bit of knobbling, CAN do 130+ according to my esteemed friend professor
>> Shackles.
>>
>> No, its really if the gearbox will take the load of the rest of the
>> ambi. I can't see it being a particularly heavily driven vehicle, but I
>> don't want to rebuild the box more than the once.
>>
>
>The 200 can do closer to around 145-150 with the right tweaking, but it'll
>smoke like a bugger under load accelerating.
>
>
Put an LPG kit on it - easy to fit and gives a good power boost without
over stressing the engine.

--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:30:46 +0000, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:56:03 +0000, Tim Hobbs
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Apart from the mainshaft wear and the dodgy clutch release thingy, do
>>they actually break through weakness? All the failures I hear of seem
>>to be one of the above.
>
>The main issue is the splines on the output shaft and the ****ty
>thrust bearings / washers in the lousy transfer box. The worst of
>design IMO although Nick Kays kit solves the problem (at least, it
>would have done on mine if there weren't a slight machining error, but
>Nick'll exchange it - even though I don't have that gearbox any longer
>in a motor).

I think you are talking about the 101 transfer box? Are you keeping
that for spares, or is it open to negotiation?


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

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Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:00:24 +0000, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I think you are talking about the 101 transfer box?

Oops, yeah...

>Are you keeping that for spares, or is it open to negotiation?

There's nothing really wrong with the box. Actually it's the tightest
LT95 I think I've known. The issue was always with the transfer box -
which should be fixed when I replace the kit from Nick Kay.

Dunno what to do with it - spare seems a good idea for the GS, however
that's got a good box in too, and I have another spare box in the back
of my trailer at present...

 
hugh wrote:


>>The 200 can do closer to around 145-150 with the right tweaking, but it'll
>>smoke like a bugger under load accelerating.
>>
>>
> Put an LPG kit on it - easy to fit and gives a good power boost without
> over stressing the engine.
>

LPG on a diesel?

Why the heck would you want to to that?

Note - the engine referred to above is a 200 2.5l TDI

P.
--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 
On or around Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:12:49 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>hugh wrote:
>
>
>>>The 200 can do closer to around 145-150 with the right tweaking, but it'll
>>>smoke like a bugger under load accelerating.
>>>
>>>
>> Put an LPG kit on it - easy to fit and gives a good power boost without
>> over stressing the engine.
>>
>
>LPG on a diesel?
>
>Why the heck would you want to to that?
>
>Note - the engine referred to above is a 200 2.5l TDI

'cos you can get serious boost in power, if done right.
 
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