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Looking in my TD5 Handbook, it quotes ACEA B1 & B2 engine oils as suitable.

What about B3?

Does this just at least comply with the other B1 & B2?

Cheers.


 

"Rob Knot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Looking in my TD5 Handbook, it quotes ACEA B1 & B2 engine oils as
> suitable.
>
> What about B3?
>
> Does this just at least comply with the other B1 & B2?
>
> Cheers.
>
>


There is nothing special in B1 or B2 oil.
I haven't looked into B3 but it doesn't always hold true that the next
number up is better. An example is ACEA E5 which is quite inferior to E4
except that it conforms to some different emission regulations.

FWIW and unless indicated to the contrary, I would almost certainly use
synthetic oil meeting ACEA E4 and MB228.5 specifications in the engine at
the first service and later. This is what I use in the BMW engined Range
Rover and is far superior to what LR specify as acceptable.
IMHO LR are lax in their minimum oil requirement and always have been. They
were 15 years too late specifying better oil for their gearboxes and they do
not specify anything like the quality of oil that BMW does for the same
engines with the same service intervals. It is almost as if they actually
want their engines to wear out prematurely.

Huw


 

"Huw" wrote in reply to
>
> "Rob Knot"
>> Looking in my TD5 Handbook, it quotes ACEA B1 & B2 engine oils as
>> suitable.
>>
>> What about B3?
>>
>> Does this just at least comply with the other B1 & B2?
>>

>
> There is nothing special in B1 or B2 oil.
> I haven't looked into B3 but it doesn't always hold true that the next
> number up is better. An example is ACEA E5 which is quite inferior to E4
> except that it conforms to some different emission regulations.
>
> FWIW and unless indicated to the contrary, I would almost certainly use
> synthetic oil meeting ACEA E4 and MB228.5 specifications in the engine at
> the first service and later. This is what I use in the BMW engined Range
> Rover and is far superior to what LR specify as acceptable.
> IMHO LR are lax in their minimum oil requirement and always have been.
> They were 15 years too late specifying better oil for their gearboxes and
> they do not specify anything like the quality of oil that BMW does for the
> same engines with the same service intervals. It is almost as if they
> actually want their engines to wear out prematurely.
>


BMW have their own spec longlife oil made by Castrol it's SLX LL04 and is
0w-30. ACEA A3/B3/B4/C3 whatever than means.

So what oil would you use in my 90 van engine and gearbox Huw? Both are due
for a change as are all the fluids.
It's a 1987 2.5 petrol with the LT77 gearbox and I'd prefer to use the best
oil available.

Handbook says ...
Engine ...Castrol GTX 15w-50
Gearbox... Castrol TQF

--
Regards
Bob
1974 S111 SWB 2.25 petrol Hardtop (For Sale)
1987 90 2.5 petrol Hardtop


 
In message <[email protected]>
"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
> "Rob Knot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Looking in my TD5 Handbook, it quotes ACEA B1 & B2 engine oils as
> > suitable.
> >
> > What about B3?
> >
> > Does this just at least comply with the other B1 & B2?
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >

>
> There is nothing special in B1 or B2 oil.
> I haven't looked into B3 but it doesn't always hold true that the next
> number up is better. An example is ACEA E5 which is quite inferior to E4
> except that it conforms to some different emission regulations.
>
> FWIW and unless indicated to the contrary, I would almost certainly use
> synthetic oil meeting ACEA E4 and MB228.5 specifications in the engine at
> the first service and later. This is what I use in the BMW engined Range
> Rover and is far superior to what LR specify as acceptable.
> IMHO LR are lax in their minimum oil requirement and always have been. They
> were 15 years too late specifying better oil for their gearboxes and they do
> not specify anything like the quality of oil that BMW does for the same
> engines with the same service intervals. It is almost as if they actually
> want their engines to wear out prematurely.
>
> Huw
>
>

Surely the whole point of a Land Rover engine is that it will run on any
old crap - in LR's traditional markets (now mostly gone) the choice
of oil was take it or leave it!

Richard
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"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Huw" wrote in reply to
>>
>> "Rob Knot"
>>> Looking in my TD5 Handbook, it quotes ACEA B1 & B2 engine oils as
>>> suitable.
>>>
>>> What about B3?
>>>
>>> Does this just at least comply with the other B1 & B2?
>>>

>>
>> There is nothing special in B1 or B2 oil.
>> I haven't looked into B3 but it doesn't always hold true that the next
>> number up is better. An example is ACEA E5 which is quite inferior to E4
>> except that it conforms to some different emission regulations.
>>
>> FWIW and unless indicated to the contrary, I would almost certainly use
>> synthetic oil meeting ACEA E4 and MB228.5 specifications in the engine at
>> the first service and later. This is what I use in the BMW engined Range
>> Rover and is far superior to what LR specify as acceptable.
>> IMHO LR are lax in their minimum oil requirement and always have been.
>> They were 15 years too late specifying better oil for their gearboxes and
>> they do not specify anything like the quality of oil that BMW does for
>> the same engines with the same service intervals. It is almost as if they
>> actually want their engines to wear out prematurely.
>>

>
> BMW have their own spec longlife oil made by Castrol it's SLX LL04 and is
> 0w-30.


Land Rover do not specify that quality of oil in the TD4 and TD6 engines.


>ACEA A3/B3/B4/C3 whatever than means.


Well it means all things to all men. Too many specifications without being
specific about the minimum requirement. ACEA is the European engine
constructors accociation which sets performance standards, similar to the
American API. Some of the above are petrol standards and some diesel. I
honestly don't think Land Rover know what should be used. At the least they
are not good at articulating plainly.



>
> So what oil would you use in my 90 van engine and gearbox Huw? Both are
> due for a change as are all the fluids.
> It's a 1987 2.5 petrol with the LT77 gearbox and I'd prefer to use the
> best oil available.
>
> Handbook says ...
> Engine ...Castrol GTX 15w-50
> Gearbox... Castrol TQF
>


Brand is not important. Any petrol oil meeting API SG will be good for your
engine. Personally I would use a long drain multifleet mineral oil meeting
API SG or SL *and* diesel API CG4 or CH4 in 15w/40 viscosity because it is a
superb specification which gives some considerable leeway for extending the
service interval with confidence if you are forgetful or on a holiday etc
when service falls due.

Your gearbox recommendation for ATF is obsolete and superseded by MTF94 type
oil which is compatible, so no worries about what is left in there mixing
with the new MTF.

Both the above oils are readily available at all factors.

The transfer box takes any oil but I would always use a light viscosity oil
because it aids economy and splashes to the top shafts better. Mine has
always been run on SAE 75 equivalent, specifically Super Tractor Oil
Universal of 10w/30 viscosity. I use this spec because it is nice and thin
and has exceptional qualities, being suitable for differentials [which you
have in the transfer box] and epicyclic geartrains in the heaviest of
industrial equipment. It is also suitable for wet brakes and clutch packs,
but that is incidental. It is also suitable for any manual gearbox wanting
EP75w/80 and probably your main gearbox, although I would stick with the MT
specific oil.

You wanted the best, presumably at an economic price, and you have got it.

Huw



 

"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rob Knot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Looking in my TD5 Handbook, it quotes ACEA B1 & B2 engine oils as
>> > suitable.
>> >
>> > What about B3?
>> >
>> > Does this just at least comply with the other B1 & B2?
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> >

>>
>> There is nothing special in B1 or B2 oil.
>> I haven't looked into B3 but it doesn't always hold true that the next
>> number up is better. An example is ACEA E5 which is quite inferior to E4
>> except that it conforms to some different emission regulations.
>>
>> FWIW and unless indicated to the contrary, I would almost certainly use
>> synthetic oil meeting ACEA E4 and MB228.5 specifications in the engine at
>> the first service and later. This is what I use in the BMW engined Range
>> Rover and is far superior to what LR specify as acceptable.
>> IMHO LR are lax in their minimum oil requirement and always have been.
>> They
>> were 15 years too late specifying better oil for their gearboxes and they
>> do
>> not specify anything like the quality of oil that BMW does for the same
>> engines with the same service intervals. It is almost as if they actually
>> want their engines to wear out prematurely.
>>
>> Huw
>>
>>

> Surely the whole point of a Land Rover engine is that it will run on any
> old crap - in LR's traditional markets (now mostly gone) the choice
> of oil was take it or leave it!
>


Like you say, those markets are mostly gone. The point is that the latest
engines are state-of-the-art, as they must be, with competitive service
intervals of between 12000 and 15000 miles despite emission systems which
tend to pollute oil. These sort of intervals call for something better than
used to be used in Series vehicles which had services every 4500 to 6000
miles.

Huw


 
>So what oil would you use in my 90 van engine and gearbox Huw? Both are due
>for a change as are all the fluids.
>It's a 1987 2.5 petrol with the LT77 gearbox and I'd prefer to use the best
>oil available.



Without wishing to sound rude unless you have had the vehicle from new
or know its' complete history it is pretty academic at that age. Good
quality will do.

I have a customer who insists on mobil one in his disco and he changes
it every 3,000 miles a total waste of money.
--
Marc Draper
 

"Marc Draper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >So what oil would you use in my 90 van engine and gearbox Huw? Both are
> >due
>>for a change as are all the fluids.
>>It's a 1987 2.5 petrol with the LT77 gearbox and I'd prefer to use the
>>best
>>oil available.

>
>
> Without wishing to sound rude unless you have had the vehicle from new or
> know its' complete history it is pretty academic at that age. Good quality
> will do.


Yes, good quality will do. Anything API rated 'will do' as long as it is
serviced as per book and not less than yearly.

>
> I have a customer who insists on mobil one in his disco and he changes it
> every 3,000 miles a total waste of money.


Absolutely agree.

Huw


 

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> >>
>
> Brand is not important. Any petrol oil meeting API SG will be good for
> your engine. Personally I would use a long drain multifleet mineral oil
> meeting API SG or SL


SG *to* SL.

Huw





*and* diesel API CG4 or CH4 in 15w/40 viscosity because it is a
> superb specification which gives some considerable leeway for extending
> the service interval with confidence if you are forgetful or on a holiday
> etc when service falls due.
>



 

"Huw" wrote>
>
> Brand is not important. Any petrol oil meeting API SG will be good for
> your engine. Personally I would use a long drain multifleet mineral oil
> meeting API SG or SL *and* diesel API CG4 or CH4 in 15w/40 viscosity
> because it is a superb specification which gives some considerable leeway
> for extending the service interval with confidence if you are forgetful or
> on a holiday etc when service falls due.
>
> Your gearbox recommendation for ATF is obsolete and superseded by MTF94
> type oil which is compatible, so no worries about what is left in there
> mixing with the new MTF.
>
> Both the above oils are readily available at all factors.
>
> The transfer box takes any oil but I would always use a light viscosity
> oil because it aids economy and splashes to the top shafts better. Mine
> has always been run on SAE 75 equivalent, specifically Super Tractor Oil
> Universal of 10w/30 viscosity. I use this spec because it is nice and thin
> and has exceptional qualities, being suitable for differentials [which you
> have in the transfer box] and epicyclic geartrains in the heaviest of
> industrial equipment. It is also suitable for wet brakes and clutch packs,
> but that is incidental. It is also suitable for any manual gearbox wanting
> EP75w/80 and probably your main gearbox, although I would stick with the
> MT specific oil.
>
> You wanted the best, presumably at an economic price, and you have got it.
>


Printed off and put in the Handbook, thanks Huw.
I notice you recommend a lighter oil in the Transfer box than the Castrol
Hypoy SAE 90EP that the Handbook says.

I used to use Mobil 1 and change it every 3,000 miles but that was a few
years ago on a sporty car that screamed to 7,000 revs a few times every
journey not on a chugging LR. :)

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London



 

"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Huw" wrote>
>>
>> Brand is not important. Any petrol oil meeting API SG will be good for
>> your engine. Personally I would use a long drain multifleet mineral oil
>> meeting API SG or SL *and* diesel API CG4 or CH4 in 15w/40 viscosity
>> because it is a superb specification which gives some considerable leeway
>> for extending the service interval with confidence if you are forgetful
>> or on a holiday etc when service falls due.
>>
>> Your gearbox recommendation for ATF is obsolete and superseded by MTF94
>> type oil which is compatible, so no worries about what is left in there
>> mixing with the new MTF.
>>
>> Both the above oils are readily available at all factors.
>>
>> The transfer box takes any oil but I would always use a light viscosity
>> oil because it aids economy and splashes to the top shafts better. Mine
>> has always been run on SAE 75 equivalent, specifically Super Tractor Oil
>> Universal of 10w/30 viscosity. I use this spec because it is nice and
>> thin and has exceptional qualities, being suitable for differentials
>> [which you have in the transfer box] and epicyclic geartrains in the
>> heaviest of industrial equipment. It is also suitable for wet brakes and
>> clutch packs, but that is incidental. It is also suitable for any manual
>> gearbox wanting EP75w/80 and probably your main gearbox, although I would
>> stick with the MT specific oil.
>>
>> You wanted the best, presumably at an economic price, and you have got
>> it.
>>

>
> Printed off and put in the Handbook, thanks Huw.
> I notice you recommend a lighter oil in the Transfer box than the Castrol
> Hypoy SAE 90EP that the Handbook says.


If you look carefully you should find that the handbook gives a whole vast
range of suitable viscosity for the transfer box from ATF to EP90. It
certainly does and did in all mine. I favour light viscosity but for
absolute assurance of a long life [at least as far as lubrication goes] I
also favour the heavy duty STOU/SUTO type in either 10w/30 or 15w/30
viscosity. Also suitable would be a similar viscosity UTTO or universal
tractor transmission oil but any spare of that would not be suitable for
topping up the engine oil level while STOU would be.

Huw


>
> I used to use Mobil 1 and change it every 3,000 miles but that was a few
> years ago on a sporty car that screamed to 7,000 revs a few times every
> journey not on a chugging LR. :)
>



 
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