Off-roading opinions wanted. Put Tyre on roof?

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I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
With a 1998 Disco.
I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
and putting it on a roof rack, to reduce the liklihood of
the back door shaking to bits. But now I'm considering
packing the rest of our gear, it would be kind of nice to
keep the wheel on the back, to give more space (and
weight allowance) on the roof.
What do you think?

TIA ray


 
The next time your tired and wet, try lifting the spare off the roof
and then putting the flat one back up there...

Unless you're The Hulk you'll soon realise the roof is not the best
place!!


On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:51:08 -0000, "ray newport"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
>With a 1998 Disco.
>I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
>and putting it on a roof rack, to reduce the liklihood of
>the back door shaking to bits. But now I'm considering
>packing the rest of our gear, it would be kind of nice to
>keep the wheel on the back, to give more space (and
>weight allowance) on the roof.
> What do you think?
>
>TIA ray
>

 
During stardate Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:51:08 -0000, "ray newport"
<[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:

>I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
>With a 1998 Disco.
>I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
>and putting it on a roof rack, to reduce the liklihood of
>the back door shaking to bits. But now I'm considering
>packing the rest of our gear, it would be kind of nice to
>keep the wheel on the back, to give more space (and
>weight allowance) on the roof.
> What do you think?
>
>TIA ray
>

It's alot simpler to fit a new back door than a roof ;0)

I'd leave it where it is. There is a fair bit of weight in that one
lump. I am personally much more comfortable with such weights as low
down as feasible , escpecially if off roading as Centre of gravity
could make the difference between life and death.

I've had this dilema with my 101 But mounted it infront of the grill
but a 101 is a different Kettle of fish and the radiator is fixed alot
further back from the grill than on a Disco.

I would howeve be a little more comfortable with storing just a tyre
on the roof rack and this may save the day if you're accomplished with
beating the living daylights out of bit of rubber.

Lee D
--
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

www.lrproject.com
'76 101 Camper
'64 88" IIa V8 Auto
'97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
'01 Laguna
 
Ray Hi,

if you are travelling with just a co-driver then it would maybe be best to
remove the rear seats, free up a lot of space and fit the spare tyre inside
the car.
The rear door can take a LOT of abuse with the spare wheel fitted to it.

Fitting the spare on the roof on the other hand will put a lot of straing on
the roof rack and its points of contact on the roof.
It will also increase the position of your vehicle's center of gravity and
make it more unstable.

Also, as already quoted, it is a real pain in the proverbial to use it if
you have to lower it down and then lift the damaged wheel it will replace up
on the roof.

Take care
Pantelis

"ray newport" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
> With a 1998 Disco.
> I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
> and putting it on a roof rack, to reduce the liklihood of
> the back door shaking to bits. But now I'm considering
> packing the rest of our gear, it would be kind of nice to
> keep the wheel on the back, to give more space (and
> weight allowance) on the roof.
> What do you think?
>
> TIA ray
>
>


 
In message <[email protected]>
Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:

> During stardate Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:51:08 -0000, "ray newport"
> <[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:
>
> >I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
> >With a 1998 Disco.
> >I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
> >and putting it on a roof rack, to reduce the liklihood of
> >the back door shaking to bits. But now I'm considering
> >packing the rest of our gear, it would be kind of nice to
> >keep the wheel on the back, to give more space (and
> >weight allowance) on the roof.
> > What do you think?
> >
> >TIA ray
> >
>
> It's alot simpler to fit a new back door than a roof ;0)
>
> I'd leave it where it is. There is a fair bit of weight in that one
> lump. I am personally much more comfortable with such weights as low
> down as feasible , escpecially if off roading as Centre of gravity
> could make the difference between life and death.

Also, a spare on the roof represents a fair chunk of the max load allowed
on a roof rack - which is not as much as you may think (havn't got the
figure to hand ineviatabely).

>
> I've had this dilema with my 101 But mounted it infront of the grill
> but a 101 is a different Kettle of fish and the radiator is fixed alot
> further back from the grill than on a Disco.
>
> I would howeve be a little more comfortable with storing just a tyre
> on the roof rack and this may save the day if you're accomplished with
> beating the living daylights out of bit of rubber.

A 101 and a hi-lift lack makes a very good (if somewhat dangerous) bead
breaker.

>
> Lee D

Richard


> --
> "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
> - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
>
> www.lrproject.com
> '76 101 Camper
> '64 88" IIa V8 Auto
> '97 Disco ES Auto LPG'd
> '01 Laguna

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>
>Also, a spare on the roof represents a fair chunk of the max load allowed
>on a roof rack - which is not as much as you may think (havn't got the
>figure to hand ineviatabely).
>

50kg IIRC

Not very much really.
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
 
ray newport wrote:
> I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
> With a 1998 Disco.
> I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
> and putting it on a roof rack,
If it's a long, serious overland trip you'll prolly want 2 spares!


--
EMB
 
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:42:32 +0000, Lee_D
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'd leave it where it is. There is a fair bit of weight in that one
>lump. I am personally much more comfortable with such weights as low
>down as feasible , escpecially if off roading as Centre of gravity
>could make the difference between life and death.
>
>I've had this dilema with my 101 But mounted it infront of the grill
>but a 101 is a different Kettle of fish and the radiator is fixed alot
>further back from the grill than on a Disco.
>
>I would howeve be a little more comfortable with storing just a tyre
>on the roof rack and this may save the day if you're accomplished with
>beating the living daylights out of bit of rubber.

How much does a 101 wheel with tyre weigh?

Just after reading this thread i watched the eastnor video off
Martyn's site and noticed that he has a storage box on the roof of
grumble.

Do you notice this affecting the truck Martyn? Or do you only keep
light stuff in it?

Has anybody spoken to the owners of Dutch Cheddar
(http://www.101fc.nl/). Does their roof extension do much to the
weight distribution?

It is very tempting to put my spare on the roof (and rig up some sort
of lifting mechanism).
 
There is a knack which unfortunately I did not know the first time I tried
this, right now I am thinking of moving it down to the bonnet.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The next time your tired and wet, try lifting the spare off the roof
> and then putting the flat one back up there...
>
> Unless you're The Hulk you'll soon realise the roof is not the best
> place!!
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:51:08 -0000, "ray newport"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>


 
Ok the trick is to lift it onto the bonnet first, and then stand on the
bonnet to load it on the roof,


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ray Hi,
>
> if you are travelling with just a co-driver then it would maybe be best to
> remove the rear seats, free up a lot of space and fit the spare tyre
inside
> the car.
> The rear door can take a LOT of abuse with the spare wheel fitted to it.
>
> Fitting the spare on the roof on the other hand will put a lot of straing
on
> the roof rack and its points of contact on the roof.
> It will also increase the position of your vehicle's center of gravity and
> make it more unstable.
>
> Also, as already quoted, it is a real pain in the proverbial to use it if
> you have to lower it down and then lift the damaged wheel it will replace
up
> on the roof.
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
> "ray newport" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
> > With a 1998 Disco.
> > I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
> > and putting it on a roof rack, to reduce the liklihood of
> > the back door shaking to bits. But now I'm considering
> > packing the rest of our gear, it would be kind of nice to
> > keep the wheel on the back, to give more space (and
> > weight allowance) on the roof.
> > What do you think?
> >
> > TIA ray
> >
> >
>
>


 
....and Tim Hobbs spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


>> Also, a spare on the roof represents a fair chunk of the max load
>> allowed on a roof rack - which is not as much as you may think
>> (havn't got the figure to hand ineviatabely).
>>
>
> 50kg IIRC
>
> Not very much really.

Especially as it includes the weight of the rack itself.

People load em up with tons more than this - I reckon it's just LR
protecting their bottoms against breakage claims.


--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
On or around Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:51:08 -0000, "ray newport"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
>With a 1998 Disco.
>I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
>and putting it on a roof rack, to reduce the liklihood of
>the back door shaking to bits. But now I'm considering
>packing the rest of our gear, it would be kind of nice to
>keep the wheel on the back, to give more space (and
>weight allowance) on the roof.
> What do you think?


Bonnet. You may need to modify it a touch.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
On or around Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:05:26 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>ray newport wrote:
>> I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
>> With a 1998 Disco.
>> I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
>> and putting it on a roof rack,
>If it's a long, serious overland trip you'll prolly want 2 spares!

OK, one on the bonnet and one on a spare wheel carrier on the back. Spare
carrier will stop the door getting buggered.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:05:26 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>ray newport wrote:
>>
>>>I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
>>>With a 1998 Disco.
>>>I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
>>>and putting it on a roof rack,
>>
>>If it's a long, serious overland trip you'll prolly want 2 spares!
>
>
> OK, one on the bonnet and one on a spare wheel carrier on the back. Spare
> carrier will stop the door getting buggered.

That sounds about the best solution.

--
EMB
 
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:
> On or around Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:05:26 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> ray newport wrote:
>>> I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
>>> With a 1998 Disco.
>>> I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
>>> and putting it on a roof rack,
>> If it's a long, serious overland trip you'll prolly want 2 spares!
>
> OK, one on the bonnet and one on a spare wheel carrier on the back.
> Spare carrier will stop the door getting buggered.

Init going to bugger what ever you bolt it to? Not much heavy metal on the
disco to bolt to.

Bunging a wheel on the bonnet would prove interesting on a Disco, those
ex-military periscopes could come in useful too ;) More effort than fixing a
knackered door that may never get knackered.

Lee D


 
On or around Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:09:01 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
>funny about:
>> On or around Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:05:26 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> ray newport wrote:
>>>> I'm going on a long overland trip with a lot of off-road.
>>>> With a 1998 Disco.
>>>> I've been thinking of taking the spare wheel off the back,
>>>> and putting it on a roof rack,
>>> If it's a long, serious overland trip you'll prolly want 2 spares!
>>
>> OK, one on the bonnet and one on a spare wheel carrier on the back.
>> Spare carrier will stop the door getting buggered.
>
>Init going to bugger what ever you bolt it to? Not much heavy metal on the
>disco to bolt to.
>
>Bunging a wheel on the bonnet would prove interesting on a Disco, those
>ex-military periscopes could come in useful too ;) More effort than fixing a
>knackered door that may never get knackered.

I believe you can get rear wheel-carriers. Perhaps not. and besides,
talking about things that are bolted to what, have you looked at the
standard spare mount on the door?

You'd have to reinforce the bonnet to take the weight, obviously. but it'd
be better from the CoG point of view than on the roof. I doubt the bonnet
problem is much worse than on a series or defender though...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Ask yourself whether you are happy, and you cease to be so."
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)
 
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I believe you can get rear wheel-carriers. Perhaps not. and besides,
> talking about things that are bolted to what, have you looked at the
> standard spare mount on the door?

Yep, but it's hardly ever surfaced here as being an issue even allowing for
peeps swinging bikes and alsorts from them.

> You'd have to reinforce the bonnet to take the weight, obviously. but
> it'd
> be better from the CoG point of view than on the roof. I doubt the bonnet
> problem is much worse than on a series or defender though...

I like the look of the bonnet mounted spares on series vehicles, they add
that certain character. But remember this is the equivalent of a 205 or
narrower tyre. Disco's are looking at 235 Upwards with no recess in the
bonnet to start with. I also think Insurance assesors and Accident
Investigation assesors (worest case scenario I know) would have pleanty to
say about such a modification purely based on reduced visability. You are
right about the COG benefits though. Personally I don't think it would be on
my list of places to bung a wheel & tyre.

Lee D


 
On or around Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:11:40 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I believe you can get rear wheel-carriers. Perhaps not. and besides,
>> talking about things that are bolted to what, have you looked at the
>> standard spare mount on the door?
>
>Yep, but it's hardly ever surfaced here as being an issue even allowing for
>peeps swinging bikes and alsorts from them.
>
>> You'd have to reinforce the bonnet to take the weight, obviously. but
>> it'd
>> be better from the CoG point of view than on the roof. I doubt the bonnet
>> problem is much worse than on a series or defender though...
>
>I like the look of the bonnet mounted spares on series vehicles, they add
>that certain character. But remember this is the equivalent of a 205 or
>narrower tyre. Disco's are looking at 235 Upwards with no recess in the
>bonnet to start with. I also think Insurance assesors and Accident
>Investigation assesors (worest case scenario I know) would have pleanty to
>say about such a modification purely based on reduced visability. You are
>right about the COG benefits though. Personally I don't think it would be on
>my list of places to bung a wheel & tyre.

Most of the modern defenders are on 235/85s.

I may be wrong but I thought someone was doing a bonnet for a disco with
wheel mount. Perhaps that was a defender one.
--
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