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Brilliant lesson to their trainees...find a decent trainer! what a ####, and yes does the honest safe respectable off roaders no good at all:mad2:
Not sure if there's an 'off piste' section...
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Brilliant lesson to their trainees...find a decent trainer! what a ####, and yes does the honest safe respectable off roaders no good at all:mad2:
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I see what you mean!
However, looking at it as someone who knows nowt about the area, is that whole swath between the two boundaries classed as the byway? - i.e Is one entitled to go anywhere between the fences and not just on the obvious stone-filled track. I'm not defending the people who made the mess, but I'm curious as to how the authorities view it.
I see what you mean!
However, looking at it as someone who knows nowt about the area, is that whole swath between the two boundaries classed as the byway? - i.e Is one entitled to go anywhere between the fences and not just on the obvious stone-filled track. I'm not defending the people who made the mess, but I'm curious as to how the authorities view it.
Not sure actually, good point, I guess they could argue that if someone reported them.
That was the tidier bits of mess they had made, I couldn't get to any of the rest in my car!
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It's something I've argued about with various people, including authorities, fairly often through the years. The Byway is bounded by fences .. just 'cos there's a stone track doesn't mean the stone track edges are the edges of the Byway. Do you think geese or cattle stuck to the single track on Drovers roads etc?
It's like the bombhole at Strata .. the track goes through the bombhole, but there's a 'safer' track round it .. which is the correct track? Answer is they both are .. and anywhere between the forest fence and the field fence at the other side!!
OK, it might look an eyesore if someone does tear the grass up, but it's not illegal when the track has properly fenced/walled/marked boundaries.
In my view, but this hasn't been argued yet .. the same could be said of Chapel Gate and Roych Clough .. there are parts, like the steps, where everyone keeps to the single track .. but it's possible to travel off this main track and go to the sides, right up to the fences .. how do we know this isn't legal? I doubt it's ever been tested in a legal sense. Walkers will say it's illegal, I've no doubt the Peak Park Authority would say the same, but it'd really need testing in court, or someone with some searching/legal clout to find a precedent maybe .. or the balls to go to the edges and get taken to court to prove where the boundaries lie ..
Same with 'normal' roads .. boundaries of the road are between kerbs but it's only convention and Highway code/law that we travel in the left lane .. there's nothing to stop us using the other lanes for overtaking though .. why not the same on byways like this?
It's like the bombhole at Strata .. the track goes through the bombhole, but there's a 'safer' track round it .. which is the correct track? Answer is they both are .. and anywhere between the forest fence and the field fence at the other side!!
OK, it might look an eyesore if someone does tear the grass up, but it's not illegal when the track has properly fenced/walled/marked boundaries.
In my view, but this hasn't been argued yet .. the same could be said of Chapel Gate and Roych Clough .. there are parts, like the steps, where everyone keeps to the single track .. but it's possible to travel off this main track and go to the sides, right up to the fences .. how do we know this isn't legal? I doubt it's ever been tested in a legal sense. Walkers will say it's illegal, I've no doubt the Peak Park Authority would say the same, but it'd really need testing in court, or someone with some searching/legal clout to find a precedent maybe .. or the balls to go to the edges and get taken to court to prove where the boundaries lie ..
Same with 'normal' roads .. boundaries of the road are between kerbs but it's only convention and Highway code/law that we travel in the left lane .. there's nothing to stop us using the other lanes for overtaking though .. why not the same on byways like this?
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Thanks Paul! Good for me to see that someone with more laning experience was thinking the same way.
It could indeed open an interesting can of worms.
and, should it be clear and safe to do so, cut corners to "straighten" them out, I believe the road fund licence entitles us to use ALL of the road?
It could indeed open an interesting can of worms.
and, should it be clear and safe to do so, cut corners to "straighten" them out, I believe the road fund licence entitles us to use ALL of the road?
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It might be legal to drive from boundry to boundry and make as much mess as we like just as it's legal for the authorities to shut us out the lanes altogether.
To test this in court makes about as much sense as shooting ourselves in the foot. It doesn't take balls but stupidity helps.
The issue is different in places like the bomb hole where there are established alternative routes and is not the same as driving off the track and chewing stuff up because the track isn't challenging enough
To test this in court makes about as much sense as shooting ourselves in the foot. It doesn't take balls but stupidity helps.
The issue is different in places like the bomb hole where there are established alternative routes and is not the same as driving off the track and chewing stuff up because the track isn't challenging enough
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I don't see it as a 'mess' .. it's only mud and is still better than what it'd look like if herds of cattle were driven up it for milking/market, and I'm not arguing it's not legal for them to shut lanes!
Testing in court would make certain where and what we can do on lanes like the above, well-defined and bounded. It'd make it harder for the bobblies to make a case for stopping us use the b yway. It'd let _everyone_ know where they stand within the Byway system.
How do you think the 'alternative' came about? Maybe the bombhole was originally the alternative and the 'easy' route is the 'real' track? How can this be proved other than by a court test case .. unless someone already had proof?
I'm not advocating wholesale rape of a beautiful ecosystem, I'm advocating full use of a Byway, a roadway .. a man-made construct for traffic ... FFS, half the Peaks are Man-made, which is conveniently forgot about by the same bobblies who want us out but are happy to use 4x4's when they want paving slabs laid on the top of Mam-Tor ...
Drive fence to fence, you know it makes sense ..
Testing in court would make certain where and what we can do on lanes like the above, well-defined and bounded. It'd make it harder for the bobblies to make a case for stopping us use the b yway. It'd let _everyone_ know where they stand within the Byway system.
How do you think the 'alternative' came about? Maybe the bombhole was originally the alternative and the 'easy' route is the 'real' track? How can this be proved other than by a court test case .. unless someone already had proof?
I'm not advocating wholesale rape of a beautiful ecosystem, I'm advocating full use of a Byway, a roadway .. a man-made construct for traffic ... FFS, half the Peaks are Man-made, which is conveniently forgot about by the same bobblies who want us out but are happy to use 4x4's when they want paving slabs laid on the top of Mam-Tor ...
Drive fence to fence, you know it makes sense ..
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It would appear the driver has announced himself:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/saveourlanes/223488047842775
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Can't access it - FB wants me to log on. Don't have or want an account.
Screenshot added above.
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Ta for that UKJ - seems the chap can't write proper grammar like (hey, not everyone is good at written English but come on ). He probably mis-read the signs for the dunes.....
). He probably mis-read the signs for the dunes..... 
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To be fair, with grammer like that, I'm amazed he can breathe unassisted! I know mine isn't the best at times but at least you don't need a (chav) dictionary to understand what I'm saying
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Just caught up on this... He says he got his jeep back,,,,, I thought it was a landrover!?!?!
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Yeah but even a member of DNA ( national association of dyslexics) can see the difference between discovery and jeep.
On a side note has anyone ever wondered how mean the language is. Dyslexia ain't easy to spell at the best of times. And it ain't fair on someone with a lisp to try and say lisp. :behindsofa:
can see the difference between discovery and jeep.On a side note has anyone ever wondered how mean the language is. Dyslexia ain't easy to spell at the best of times. And it ain't fair on someone with a lisp to try and say lisp. :behindsofa:
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