Not so much a stolen Land Rover but a warning about having your money stolen

yfo866 · Aug 22, 2020

I thought i'd found a bargain on ebay...
But alas no

1955 Series 1, runs, Buy It Now of £3500
I messaged the seller who replied that his account had been hacked and that the police and cybercrime had been notified.

The odd thing is that since reading the reply and taking the above screenshot the Buy It Now option has been removed.
Just so you know, there were MANY Land Rovers for sale by this seller so if any of you are looking/watching/bidding i'd be very careful.
I messaged the seller through ebay's 'contact seller'. My cousin used the email address pictured and had a reply(not this car but another) after i'd warned him and the 'seller' said he'd just moved back to Germany and all he'd have to do was send him the money to cover the return delivery to UK. He showed him a picture of a passport as proof. Not sure what of...

Just check the seller's id 'a1supplies12 'and AVOID!

lightning · Aug 23, 2020

A few of these on Ebay at any given time. When l was looking for a 90 l found one advertised not five miles from my home address at a reasonable but not unduly low price.
However when looking closely at the pictures l could see the vehicle wasn't in the town that the seller claimed it was.
Predictably the "seller" eventually wanted a deposit to secure the vehicle as he had "several calls" and it was first come first served.
And oh dear, his paypal account wasn't working so could l possibly send the deposit to an Escrow account and the money would only be released to him after l viewed the Land Rover
But of course he was away on business in ltaly, and despite it being "on my doorstep" l couldn't view it first....
At least he wasn't on an oil platform in the North Sea, which is where they usually say they are.

marjon · Aug 23, 2020

lightning said:
At least he wasn't on an oil platform in the North Sea, which is where they usually say they are

some of us where

.But I would.
A) not sell while I was away.

J

lightning · Aug 23, 2020

With all these internet scams,
lmagine how hard it would be to sell your vehicle if you were genuinely offshore and couldn't deal with it in person !

raywin · Aug 23, 2020

lightning said:
With all these internet scams,
lmagine how hard it would be to sell your vehicle if you were genuinely offshore and couldn't deal with it in person !

yfo866 · Aug 23, 2020

raywin said:
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I have to take some responsibilty for that poor chap as when he FAXED me years ago it took me a few minutes to stop laughing! Suppose the joke was on me...

My favourite was an email i found in my spam folder a few years ago. It was from a wealthy foreigner whose husband had died and while being filthy rich liked to donate a few grand to random strangers all around the world to give him a warm feeling inside. After he died she decided to carry on with his good work and had chosen me.
All i had to do was send my bank account details, full name and address and date of birth to the solicitors that they used in Britain. I replied straight away wanting to know more and of course to offer my condolences for her loss. She replied with the name and address and telephone number of the firm of solicitors so i could get in touch with them.
I checked the telephone code as i didn't recognise it. It turned out to be a private number which diverts any incoming call to the user at a rate of something like £8 a minute!
After a quick search on line i discovered that a favourite trick of users of this code is to have their telephone play the sound you hear when you call someone before they pick up so you telephone, they pick up and you think it's still ringing so you hang on thinking nobody is in while all the time getting a fat bill. Then you call again, and again...
Needless to say i didn't make the call!
I then looked up the name of the solicitors. Found no record of them anywhere, so i moved on to the address.
The road existed. If memory serves it was in Manchester. Or maybe Liverpool. Somewhere up north anyway. The thing is, it was one hundred and something Wotsit Street, but Wotsit Street only went up sixty something, so that was false too.
I exchanged about six emails with this woman stalling while all the time she was getting more and more distraught wandering why i hadn't already sent on my details. It was at this point i felt i'd got all of the facts i could and took a trip down to the police station and told them all about it. I was quite surprised when the guy basically told me to sod off as he wasn't interested. The attitude was to come back when i'd lost all of my money!
Nice......

lightning · Aug 24, 2020

There's basically nothing the Police can do, which is really annoying
The scammer will almost certainly be in some internet cafe in Nigeria. There's no way they can be traced.

yfo866 · Aug 24, 2020

I checked this listing last night and found a different account name, so hacked account number two.
It was Petejs11
Just went to take a pic to put up here and saw that it's ANOTHER user's name.
Hacked account number THREE!
Nice to see ebay are still on the ball...

yfo866 · Aug 24, 2020

Just had a chat with ebay to ask if they know about the number of accounts being hacked and to point out that someone has hacked three accounts in three days.
I told them that i have contacted each account holder via the contact the seller tab and not by the email address in the picture.
They said it's no use contacting the seller as they won't receive the message but to report the item yourself.
I wonder if this is correct because a few years ago my account was hacked and i only found out when i received a message from a guy in America asking if i had another motorbike for sale?
At the time i not only didn't have a motorbike for sale, but had never sold ANYTHING!
If it wasn't for his message i'd never have known.

lightning · Aug 24, 2020

l guess it depends if the legitimate account holder is monitoring their Ebay account.

Also if the account is hacked it's possible the hacker changed the notification settings so it no longer sends an email when someone sends a message.

manchestershire · Aug 27, 2020

I'm currently looking for a t5 transporter, eBay is littered with ads like this. Usually a really random, but cheap price.

1 photo of the vehicle and photo of the price and email address to get you to do the deal off eBay.

Sadly it only takes one gullible person to make it worthwhile for these parasites.

yfo866 · Aug 28, 2020

manchestershire said:
I'm currently looking for a t5 transporter, eBay is littered with ads like this. Usually a really random, but cheap price.

1 photo of the vehicle and photo of the price and email address to get you to do the deal off eBay.

Sadly it only takes one gullible person to make it worthwhile for these parasites.

Surely only if you are a total pillock and pay by bank transfer. If you use paypal it'll be refunded

6pot · Aug 29, 2020

That's why they don't allow people to exchange personal contact details because you're on your own once outside ebay. Sometimes sellers get away with including a phone number as a photo but I steer clear of those listings.

Funnily enough I listed something for sale the other day (not a car) and the day after the ad went live, I get an email from ebay saying they have blocked my account because they think it might have been hacked... was hoping to get the whole bank holiday weekend of exposure and nothing I can do about it now. Shame they don't seem to be too quick at doing that with the real scammers.

yfo866 · Aug 30, 2020

No, i think the reason why they try to stop you making contact outside of their message service is because you could then make your own deal bypassing them altogether. If there's one thing i've learnt about ebay, is the ONLY thing they care about is THEIR CUT!
They don't care about your safety or your money, only that they still get their fees paid.
Complain about counterfeit goods? They don't care.
Complain about dangerous products? They don't care.
Here's a perfect example of unsafe products.
Any welders here?
I tried to get similar glasses removed about four years ago. They were just rectangular gas welding/brazing goggles that some bright spark had managed to bodge an auto darkening lens into.
They've now gone up market!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solar-Au...636641?hash=item3b17290ca1:g:pE4AAOSw20lb5VIi

If you used these to ARC, MIG or TIG weld with, while your eyes would be protected, come lunch time you'd go to wash your hands and find your face was dripping skin into the sink!

6pot · Sep 16, 2020

yfo866 said:
....If there's one thing i've learnt about ebay, is the ONLY thing they care about is THEIR CUT!
They don't care about your safety or your money, only that they still get their fees paid......

Yes fair point, they are hot on getting their fees and little else.

If you go outside ebay (and particularly Paypal) though you will be very unlikely to get your money back, maybe more likely to if you did use a traceable payment method, but I guess that would be a tortuous process as well once initiated.

Re. the welding, I only ever use a full-face hood, those glasses look like a breach of trade descriptions. I once got a small piece of hot metal from angle grinding inside some goggles, don't know how, but I was wearing glasses as well and luckily it ended up on those, melted a mark into the lense. After that I use the full-face welding hood for angle grinding as well. You only get one pair of eyes.

lightning · Sep 17, 2020

l had my Land Rover Defender on Ebay and on here at £19,000 had a guy come to see it and wanted it, but the car l was buying fell through so there was a delay.
However
The guy claimed he was getting a pension payout and he could buy the Land Rover after that.
Which seemed to work well for both of us.
We had a lot of banter about it by messaging.
l had the Land Rover available the day after he said he was getting his money.
He arranged to collect it but.....he wanted to come on a Friday evening and pay £13,500 of the money by bankers draft.
l said he couldn't take the vehicle until the draft cleared. l offered every alternative, bank transfer, going to the bank together etc
But despite claiming he'd just retired, he said he was too busy to come at any other time.
After that l never heard from him again and he wouldn't answer his phone or respond to messages.
I realised that all l had for him, was a mobile phone number.
l wondered what was going on, and why the guy threw his toys out of the pram, does anybody accept bankers drafts nowadays without waiting for it to clear before releasing the vehicle?

yfo866 · Sep 17, 2020

lightning said:
l had my Land Rover Defender on Ebay and on here at £19,000 had a guy come to see it and wanted it, but the car l was buying fell through so there was a delay.
However
The guy claimed he was getting a pension payout and he could buy the Land Rover after that.
Which seemed to work well for both of us.
We had a lot of banter about it by messaging.
l had the Land Rover available the day after he said he was getting his money.
He arranged to collect it but.....he wanted to come on a Friday evening and pay £13,500 of the money by bankers draft.
l said he couldn't take the vehicle until the draft cleared. l offered every alternative, bank transfer, going to the bank together etc
But despite claiming he'd just retired, he said he was too busy to come at any other time.
After that l never heard from him again and he wouldn't answer his phone or respond to messages.
I realised that all l had for him, was a mobile phone number.
l wondered what was going on, and why the guy threw his toys out of the pram, does anybody accept bankers drafts nowadays without waiting for it to clear before releasing the vehicle?

The one's who don't want to guarantee getting paid for their goods probably do...
I think some people assume a banker's draft is the same as cash. I would have said no as he still owed a chunk of money regardless of payment means!
Looks like you dodged a bullet there!

yfo866 · Sep 17, 2020

6pot said:
Yes fair point, they are hot on getting their fees and little else.

If you go outside ebay (and particularly Paypal) though you will be very unlikely to get your money back, maybe more likely to if you did use a traceable payment method, but I guess that would be a tortuous process as well once initiated.

Re. the welding, I only ever use a full-face hood, those glasses look like a breach of trade descriptions. I once got a small piece of hot metal from angle grinding inside some goggles, don't know how, but I was wearing glasses as well and luckily it ended up on those, melted a mark into the lense. After that I use the full-face welding hood for angle grinding as well. You only get one pair of eyes.

Where i work they are quite hot on health and safety. As soon as you step foot on the shop floor you have to wear eye protection.
In the welding bay in addition to your 'standard' eye wear you have to wear a full face mask when linishing. We have about five different types of safety specs/goggles to choose from plus the face shield.
Every so often some pillock tries to put a claim in for getting something in their eye and they don't have a chance of winning given that you should have at least TWO layers of protection.
The face shield that we use have an optional chin guard which stops you from breathing in the dust and getting black snot.
It's amazing how much the chin guard keeps the dust out of your lungs!

6pot · Sep 22, 2020

lightning said:
l had my Land Rover Defender on Ebay and on here at £19,000 had a guy come to see it and wanted it, but the car l was buying fell through so there was a delay.
However
The guy claimed he was getting a pension payout and he could buy the Land Rover after that.
Which seemed to work well for both of us.
We had a lot of banter about it by messaging.
l had the Land Rover available the day after he said he was getting his money.
He arranged to collect it but.....he wanted to come on a Friday evening and pay £13,500 of the money by bankers draft.
l said he couldn't take the vehicle until the draft cleared. l offered every alternative, bank transfer, going to the bank together etc
But despite claiming he'd just retired, he said he was too busy to come at any other time.
After that l never heard from him again and he wouldn't answer his phone or respond to messages.
I realised that all l had for him, was a mobile phone number.
l wondered what was going on, and why the guy threw his toys out of the pram, does anybody accept bankers drafts nowadays without waiting for it to clear before releasing the vehicle?

I thought that theoretically a bankers draft was as good as cash, but then a scammer might try to pay using one which is fake - I don't think it is possible to get a genuine bankers draft from your bank if there is not the money in the account to back it up. I still wouldn't release any goods until it had cleared.

The fact that your 'buyer' wanted to pay partly by draft and partly by other means rings alarm bells, plus insisting on coming on a Friday night ensures that you cannot do anything until Monday which was also iffey. The fact that he stopped communicating once you started offering viable alternatives says it all.

6pot · Sep 22, 2020

yfo866 said:
Where i work they are quite hot on health and safety. As soon as you step foot on the shop floor you have to wear eye protection.
In the welding bay in addition to your 'standard' eye wear you have to wear a full face mask when linishing. We have about five different types of safety specs/goggles to choose from plus the face shield.
Every so often some pillock tries to put a claim in for getting something in their eye and they don't have a chance of winning given that you should have at least TWO layers of protection.
The face shield that we use have an optional chin guard which stops you from breathing in the dust and getting black snot.
It's amazing how much the chin guard keeps the dust out of your lungs!

A lot of health & safety these days can seem a bit ott but it has it's roots in the Health and Safety at Work Act and I remember there were large posters detailing the requirements of this act, such as that concerning grinding wheels seems prominent in my memory. When you're doing a dangerous task such as involving welding it's very important, I don't think some people who want to try banging in a claim realise that it's belt & braces to make sure a situation resulting in a claim is not going to happen. Unless you don't follow the rules...

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