new rules...

Sometimes it makes one wonder how one survived an erlier age. I recall
travelling in my Uncles Hillman Minx, two children sandwiched between two
adults in the back, two adults in the front, one with a dog on his lap (not
the driver) and no seat belts.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ...buggrem.
>
> from some thing the council sent round:
>
> "New regulations governing the use of child car seats look set to come
into
> force in September 2006.
>
> Under the plans, all children aged over 3 years, but shorter than 1.35m
(4'
> 5") in height, will have to use a booster cushion, child seat or suitable
> child restraint while travelling in a car fitted with seat belts.
>
> Restraints will be compulsory for all children under three. The only
> exceptions will be children travelling in the rear of taxis with no child
> seats, or 'unforeseen emergencies' such as a trip to hospital or a doctor.
>
> The new rules will also stop motorists transporting too many children in
the
> back of a car. If seat belts are provided, the number of people in the
rear
> will not be able to exceed the number of seats with belts or child
> restraints."
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1

Sometimes it makes one wonder how one survived an erlier age. I recall
travelling in my Uncles Hillman Minx, two children sandwiched between two
adults in the back, two adults in the front, one with a dog on his lap (not
the driver) and no seat belts.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ...buggrem.
>
> from some thing the council sent round:
>
> "New regulations governing the use of child car seats look set to come
into
> force in September 2006.
>
> Under the plans, all children aged over 3 years, but shorter than 1.35m
(4'
> 5") in height, will have to use a booster cushion, child seat or suitable
> child restraint while travelling in a car fitted with seat belts.
>
> Restraints will be compulsory for all children under three. The only
> exceptions will be children travelling in the rear of taxis with no child
> seats, or 'unforeseen emergencies' such as a trip to hospital or a doctor.
>
> The new rules will also stop motorists transporting too many children in
the
> back of a car. If seat belts are provided, the number of people in the
rear
> will not be able to exceed the number of seats with belts or child
> restraints."
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:35:49 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On 11 Apr 2006 08:31:19 -0700, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Sounds like a cosy spot, anyway. Regarding the V8 and sleep, spot on I
>>bet there are a lot of babies who get sent out with Dad to give Mam
>>some peace and are lulled into sleep to the tune of the V8....
>
>Ah yes. Tim ended up driving around the showground at Peterborough a
>couple of years ago for this very reason! Charlotte went off to land
>of nod a treat. Woke the rest of us up, mind!

right, I'll leave you to convince her then!!
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body shell, being bobbed and modded.....

Lee_D wrote:

> With regards to mothercatre they are just covering there arse due to our
> compensation culture as well as trying to do the right thing I'd guess.

The right thing to deny me from purchasing a new car seat for my child
because their computer does not list my LR? So I have to leave with a
car seat which you, as a serving officer could do me for as it is over
8 years old? That is not the right thing in my book

If anything Mothercare should be sued for refusing to sell safety gear.
I mean, I can buy a pair of safety boots, whoever sells them assumes
that I can tie the laces and not trip over them and break my nose,
don't they..... Mothercare were not reasonable.

> Bit like Halfords and numberplates for 101's, it's not going to stop people
> buying perfectly legit ones, they just go elsewhere.

No, with respect Lee, I don't see it being anything like that. Number
plates are a standard size, I'd happily order them over the Internet,
car seats are not. I went where I could find the largest selection of
car seats within a hundred miles looking for advice and help from staff
who were trained in fitting of car seats. Because their computer did
not list my vehicle as being suitable (read: the manufacturer has not
tested-actual fitment is perfect) I was refused the sale of a car seat.
The "fully trained" members of staff would not try and fit one for me.
And they won't do it for you, either. Unless of course you turn up in
a non LR vehicle. We don't have shops with huge ranges of seats near
here, so it's not like I can go their competitors.

Long and the short of it is, this legislation will in no way help me
transport my child any safer. In fact, it won't make transporting
anybodies child safer. It is a waste of time and money which should
have been spent researching ways to make existing stone age seats fit
vehicles better and restrain children better - that would save lives,
and a profitable use of goverment money. But all this legislating has
been done in the name of "child safety", so it gets the popular public
vote.

Regards

William MacLeod

Austin Shackles wrote:

> ...buggrem.
>
> from some thing the council sent round:
>
> "New regulations governing the use of child car seats look set to come into
> force in September 2006.

We've had lots of follow-up comment but no one has mentioned the 'title'
of the relevant legislation.

Is it new law - which? .... or just more 'guidance'? The words " look
set" seem to suggest that we're not there yet.

On or around Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:33:49 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> "New regulations governing the use of child car seats look set to come into
>> force in September 2006.
>
>We've had lots of follow-up comment but no one has mentioned the 'title'
>of the relevant legislation.
>
>Is it new law - which? .... or just more 'guidance'? The words " look
>set" seem to suggest that we're not there yet.

Sorry, don't know any more.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm

[email protected] <[email protected]> uttered summat
worrerz funny about:
>> Bit like Halfords and numberplates for 101's, it's not going to stop
>> people buying perfectly legit ones, they just go elsewhere.
>
> No, with respect Lee,

<Snip>

I actually meant the approach of we can't sell you one because it's not on
the computer. I know that wasn't clear but feel much better for clearing it
up.



Lee

On or around Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:59:53 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>[email protected] <[email protected]> uttered summat
>worrerz funny about:
>>> Bit like Halfords and numberplates for 101's, it's not going to stop
>>> people buying perfectly legit ones, they just go elsewhere.
>>
>> No, with respect Lee,
>
><Snip>
>
>I actually meant the approach of we can't sell you one because it's not on
>the computer. I know that wasn't clear but feel much better for clearing it
>up.
>
>

Halfords are like that. I once proposed to buy a larger battery for a car -
I knew full well that the battery tray would allow fitment of same, but it
wasn't on the computer, so although they would have sold it to me, if I
fitted it to that car, they wouldn't guarantee it. Morons.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

[email protected] came up with the following;:
> Paul - xxx wrote:
>
>> I don't mind replacing child seats that are three years old ... as ours
>> was when our second child was born. That few years of storage was not
>> ideal and I would guess that seven to eight years of storage would be
>> even less likely to keep the seat in good enough condition to put MY
>> CHILD into.
>
> So, by the same reasoning do you replace your vehicle every three
> years? With the one that scores highest in the rear passenger safety
> tests?

? My vehicle is used constantly and maintained. The seat wasn't, I see no
correlation between what I said and your non-sensical question.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

On 2006-04-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> Halfords are like that. I once proposed to buy a larger battery for a car -
> I knew full well that the battery tray would allow fitment of same, but it
> wasn't on the computer, so although they would have sold it to me, if I
> fitted it to that car, they wouldn't guarantee it. Morons.

When trying to get my Pinz MOTed, I had a few garages tell me that it
wasn't worth their time as they wouldn't be able to find it on the
VOSA computers. They didn't even bother to look. I was also told
that it's not legal in this country full stop, and this was from
someone who, despite me repeatedly saying the name (Steyr-Puch
Pinzgauer) and spelling it, insisted on it being called the "Stinger
Punch Panther".

I also had trouble getting it transported due to it either not being
on transport firms computers or them mis-hearing the name, so I
started calling it a Land Rover 110 (it's the same size but about
500Kg heavier).

I eventually got an independent chap to transport it without having to
fib, when he arrived he told me it was the second worse load he'd ever
carried, the only worse load having been a Land Rover 101FC!
Apparently he had to fight the winds and body roll all the way down.
When he arrived we waffled on about off-roaders and how daft people
are (sound familiar?) for about 30 mins before even unloading the
truck.

In general, any services company that has a receptionist will be
utterly useless, after calling over 40 transport companies in Dorset,
Bristol and Gloucester, they were the worst by far, even after I'd
managed to bypass the receptionist. The loners, in general those who
you call directly through to the driver, just wanted to know the
length and weight. One of them even knew what it was and had a Bowler
Tomcat.

Once I'd realised I needed a class 7 MOT, I started talking to a
different class of garage. No computer lookups, no "it's not legal"
rubbish, just "sounds fun, we do a lot of weird vehicles" and "we've
done lots of imports, I've imported a few cars myself" and so on. 12
consumer garages were useless and clueless, but I only phoned 2
commercial garages and both were on the button.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

In message <[email protected]>
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Lee_D wrote:
>
> > With regards to mothercatre they are just covering there arse due to our
> > compensation culture as well as trying to do the right thing I'd guess.
>
> The right thing to deny me from purchasing a new car seat for my child
> because their computer does not list my LR? So I have to leave with a
> car seat which you, as a serving officer could do me for as it is over
> 8 years old? That is not the right thing in my book
>
> If anything Mothercare should be sued for refusing to sell safety gear.
> I mean, I can buy a pair of safety boots, whoever sells them assumes
> that I can tie the laces and not trip over them and break my nose,
> don't they..... Mothercare were not reasonable.
>
> > Bit like Halfords and numberplates for 101's, it's not going to stop people
> > buying perfectly legit ones, they just go elsewhere.
>
> No, with respect Lee, I don't see it being anything like that. Number
> plates are a standard size, I'd happily order them over the Internet,
> car seats are not. I went where I could find the largest selection of
> car seats within a hundred miles looking for advice and help from staff
> who were trained in fitting of car seats. Because their computer did
> not list my vehicle as being suitable (read: the manufacturer has not
> tested-actual fitment is perfect) I was refused the sale of a car seat.
> The "fully trained" members of staff would not try and fit one for me.
> And they won't do it for you, either. Unless of course you turn up in
> a non LR vehicle. We don't have shops with huge ranges of seats near
> here, so it's not like I can go their competitors.
>
> Long and the short of it is, this legislation will in no way help me
> transport my child any safer. In fact, it won't make transporting
> anybodies child safer. It is a waste of time and money which should
> have been spent researching ways to make existing stone age seats fit
> vehicles better and restrain children better - that would save lives,
> and a profitable use of goverment money. But all this legislating has
> been done in the name of "child safety", so it gets the popular public
> vote.
>
> Regards
>
> William MacLeod
>

It's like so much modern legislation - those who come up with it
live in central London and have no idea that "local" towns/cities
can be miles away and then not have everything available. Plus
they don't think it through from everyone's perspective. If your
crash helmet gets broken/stolen/lost you can't ride home, but
if you seat belt becomes defective you can - why is there a
difference?


Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:35:49 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On 11 Apr 2006 08:31:19 -0700, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Sounds like a cosy spot, anyway. Regarding the V8 and sleep, spot on I
>>bet there are a lot of babies who get sent out with Dad to give Mam
>>some peace and are lulled into sleep to the tune of the V8....
>
>Ah yes. Tim ended up driving around the showground at Peterborough a
>couple of years ago for this very reason! Charlotte went off to land
>of nod a treat. Woke the rest of us up, mind!

Actually, Tim was very cosily tucked up in Burrt sleeping off the
Pimms. Mrs H was driving around in a cold Disco, cursing, freezing
and generally planning divorce...

--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

This Badger anon leet fle a fart,
As greet as it had been a thonder-dent,
That with the strook he was almoost yblent.
and said....

> Blair, I 'kin hate your rotten guts!! Other problem of
> course, is, what's the alternatives....

Easy. A party that believes in small government, lower taxes, increased
freedom under the law for all, less interference in people's everyday lives
and choices, tough on crime, tough on illegal immigration while generous to
genuine asylum seekers, backing Britain and British interests above all
else, and generally honest and fair within reason - given that one prefers
human beings in government rather than robots or squeaky-clean
God-botherers.

The trouble with parties like this is, they're always in the past or in the
future.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:49:53 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I eventually got an independent chap to transport it without having to
>fib, when he arrived he told me it was the second worse load he'd ever
>carried, the only worse load having been a Land Rover 101FC!

Don't s'pose he mentioned whether or not it was...

.... purple?


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

On 2006-04-12, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> Don't s'pose he mentioned whether or not it was...

I don't think that would have slipped his mind!

He covers the Gloucester area, I thought you were oop north?

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Dougal wrote:

> Is it new law

Will be Sept 2006. It'll walk straight through parliment.

Regards

William MacLeod

Badger wrote:

> I recently bought an old triumph Stag (good one, solid condition and I don't
> mean seized solid either!)

Nice. Practical Classics mag spring edition has the Stag in the
"Buyers Guide" section and they mention how hard they are to find in
decent nick.

One thing I should mention is that the Federation of British Historical
Vehicles Clubs has had input into the consultation, and they want a
clear position shown regarding older vehicles. The problem you mention
is there regarding static belts in old LRs as well, adding booster
seats for children in them is simply dangerous for exactly the same
reasons you mention.

Regards

Willie MacLeod

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Badger wrote:
>
>> I recently bought an old triumph Stag (good one, solid condition and I
>> don't
>> mean seized solid either!)
>
> Nice. Practical Classics mag spring edition has the Stag in the
> "Buyers Guide" section and they mention how hard they are to find in
> decent nick.

And strangely enough Willie, mine's the image of the one featured! Spooky.

> One thing I should mention is that the Federation of British Historical
> Vehicles Clubs has had input into the consultation, and they want a
> clear position shown regarding older vehicles. The problem you mention
> is there regarding static belts in old LRs as well, adding booster
> seats for children in them is simply dangerous for exactly the same
> reasons you mention.

That's good news, here's hoping their input hasn't fallen on deaf ears.
FWIW, the optional inertia seat belts for the rear of the stag were inertia
lap belts only, no shoulder straps, so all they succeeded in doing was
smashing skulls against the rear of the front seats and causing abdominal
injury.
Badger.

This Badger anon leet fle a fart,
As greet as it had been a thonder-dent,
That with the strook he was almoost yblent.
and said....

> Blair, I 'kin hate your rotten guts!!

Also I've spotted a spelling mistake. It's Bliar, as in teller of untruths,
teller of untruths, you have a spontaneous combustion in the trouser
department.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:24:36 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:49:53 +0100, Ian Rawlings
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I eventually got an independent chap to transport it without having to
>>fib, when he arrived he told me it was the second worse load he'd ever
>>carried, the only worse load having been a Land Rover 101FC!
>
>Don't s'pose he mentioned whether or not it was...
>
>... purple?

or red???
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body shell, being bobbed and modded.....