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In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed
through "spray-on mud".
Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to
live by Sept this year.
Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be £45.
Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45
mins to perform test.
All details held on central database.
Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will
eventually hold all your details, presently as you drive on the motorway
some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till
your tax runs out.
Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite
ride is due one shortly, like in a couple of months. Well the central
database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
being the current certificate.
Anyone else any thoughts????


 
I never do anyway, I get my MOT when it is due

in any case driving without an MOT certificate if it would pass one the next
time entered is less of a crime than driving around 11.9 months of the year
with something that would fail if it were tested on the spot.

As for barcodes, most supermarket readers have difficulty with them do you
really think that:

a) a bar code can hold vast regiments of data

b) they can be read from a moving target considering that they are not in
any standard place and a lot harder to see than reg no's

putting up the price of MOT's is of course a pain, but what else do you
expect from the government,

Actually putting MOT's on a database is not such a bad idea, anything to
deter the scum that drive round here untaxed and un mot'd in whatever they
nicked the night before.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"


"Grant Jump" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed
> through "spray-on mud".
> Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to
> live by Sept this year.
> Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be £45.
> Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45
> mins to perform test.
> All details held on central database.
> Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will
> eventually hold all your details, presently as you drive on the motorway
> some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
> Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till
> your tax runs out.
> Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite
> ride is due one shortly, like in a couple of months. Well the central
> database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
> being the current certificate.
> Anyone else any thoughts????
>
>


 
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:28 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]> TOP
POSTED:

>
>As for barcodes, most supermarket readers have difficulty with them do you
>really think that:
>
>a) a bar code can hold vast regiments of data

Of course. Its only a number relating to your vehicle on a database.

>
>b) they can be read from a moving target considering that they are not in
>any standard place and a lot harder to see than reg no's

I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
would not be surprised if it could.
>
>putting up the price of MOT's is of course a pain, but what else do you
>expect from the government,

I expect a Gubbermint to rule with compassion, honesty and common
sense. I never get what I expect.
>
>Actually putting MOT's on a database is not such a bad idea, anything to
>deter the scum that drive round here untaxed and un mot'd in whatever they
>nicked the night before.

That presupposes that anybody from the local nick can be bothered to
do anything about it. They are far too busy doing really important
things, like err, well like, stuff, yaknow.

--
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:25:28 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I never do anyway, I get my MOT when it is due
>
>in any case driving without an MOT certificate if it would pass one the next
>time entered is less of a crime than driving around 11.9 months of the year
>with something that would fail if it were tested on the spot.
>
>As for barcodes, most supermarket readers have difficulty with them do you
>really think that:
>
>a) a bar code can hold vast regiments of data

Yes, kilobytes in some instances. However, much more likely to hold
just a relatively small number (e.g. the number plate) and look up the
rest in a database.

>
>b) they can be read from a moving target considering that they are not in
>any standard place and a lot harder to see than reg no's

Agreed - reflectance from the glass, physical obscuration and optical
resolution make this unlikely. Placement and orientation are not
issues - many readers now are actually digital cameras and select and
decode the barcode (or barcodes) in software.

>
>putting up the price of MOT's is of course a pain, but what else do you
>expect from the government,
>
>Actually putting MOT's on a database is not such a bad idea, anything to
>deter the scum that drive round here untaxed and un mot'd in whatever they
>nicked the night before.

Quite. The technology already exists to look up insurance and MoT
status for a number plate (DVLA do it for their online tax disc
system, which is very good BTW). Doing a PNC for stolen vehicles also
makes sense - can be done at petrol stations, drive throughs, major
intersections and get the scumbags at every turn.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
Big Brother is watching !!!


"Grant Jump" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed
> through "spray-on mud".
> Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to
> live by Sept this year.
> Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be £45.
> Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45
> mins to perform test.
> All details held on central database.
> Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will
> eventually hold all your details, presently as you drive on the motorway
> some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
> Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till
> your tax runs out.
> Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite
> ride is due one shortly, like in a couple of months. Well the central
> database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
> being the current certificate.
> Anyone else any thoughts????
>


 
"Grant Jump" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In case anyone hasn't kept up to speed with legislation, having skimmed through "spray-on mud".
> Firstly MOT's yes they are going up in cost, but MOT stations are set to live by Sept this year.

Tomorrow morning for us

> Meaning You need to book your MOT in advance, average cost to be £45.

nothing to stop you just turning up and hoping for a slot like at present
Ours are £35 class 4, £45 class 7


> Mr MOT man will swipe his testers card enter your details and has 30 to 45 mins to perform test.

As long as it take but at least 30 mins

> All details held on central database.
> Have you ever noticed the small bar-code on the tax discs? This will eventually hold all your details,
> presently as you drive on the motorway some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
> Basically no more opportunities to run your car without a current mot till your tax runs out.

but isn't that illegal and doesn't it void your insurance

> Another interesting one, if you decide to go for an MOT as your favourite ride is due one shortly, like in a
> couple of months. Well the central database will record the result (i.e.. fail) and date it from that day as
> being the current certificate.

No the computer will adjust to add on extra days or it will be done manually
if its the first computerised test

> Anyone else any thoughts????
>



--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:48:57 +0100
Colonel Tupperware <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
> would not be surprised if it could.

It can't. Would need far too high a resolution to do that (far too
expensive to have so many around).

Fred
 
Why read the bar code? Read the registration number. That's routinely done
in Australia by cameras mounted on overpasses to check long distance trucks
for spped and log book violations.

Ron


"Fred Labrosse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:20050608102437.14a43517@localhost...
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:48:57 +0100
> Colonel Tupperware <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
>> would not be surprised if it could.
>
> It can't. Would need far too high a resolution to do that (far too
> expensive to have so many around).
>
> Fred


 
Hi All

Did You See The Tv Program Last Week
The Police Have a Mobile Unit They Park up
That Can Track 3000 Cars Per Day etc For Mot,Tax Insurance Log Book & Driver
Details from the Reg Plate
in the uk

Regards

Jb

"Big Brother Is Watching"

"p38arover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Why read the bar code? Read the registration number. That's routinely
> done in Australia by cameras mounted on overpasses to check long distance
> trucks for spped and log book violations.
>
> Ron
>
>
> "Fred Labrosse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:20050608102437.14a43517@localhost...
>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:48:57 +0100
>> Colonel Tupperware <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm dubious that a roadside camera can read a moving barcode, but
>>> would not be surprised if it could.
>>
>> It can't. Would need far too high a resolution to do that (far too
>> expensive to have so many around).
>>
>> Fred
>
>


 
If you think about it, it saves the hassle of having to produce your
documents at a police station if you are stopped and don't happen to be
carrying them with you.

One thing a camera can not do however, so far as insurance is concerned is
determine whether the driver of the vehicle is the legal owner and therefore
properly insured to drive it unless we all have the reg tatooed on our
foreheads too, nor can they tell if the car is a ringer or is carrying false
plates if the details roughly match.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes




"Office" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All
>
> Did You See The Tv Program Last Week
> The Police Have a Mobile Unit They Park up
> That Can Track 3000 Cars Per Day etc For Mot,Tax Insurance Log Book &
Driver
> Details from the Reg Plate
> in the uk
>
> Regards
>
> Jb
>
> "Big Brother Is Watching"
>


 
The Police Have A Special Control Room For
Such Things & I have Also Seen Cars Clamped
Locally To My Area By The Police For No Tax
etc & Drivers Driving Without A License or Banned
a Whole New Ball Game

Regards

Jb

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you think about it, it saves the hassle of having to produce your
> documents at a police station if you are stopped and don't happen to be
> carrying them with you.
>
> One thing a camera can not do however, so far as insurance is concerned is
> determine whether the driver of the vehicle is the legal owner and
> therefore
> properly insured to drive it unless we all have the reg tatooed on our
> foreheads too, nor can they tell if the car is a ringer or is carrying
> false
> plates if the details roughly match.
>
>
> --
> Larry
> Series 3 rust and holes
>
>
>
>
> "Office" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi All
>>
>> Did You See The Tv Program Last Week
>> The Police Have a Mobile Unit They Park up
>> That Can Track 3000 Cars Per Day etc For Mot,Tax Insurance Log Book &
> Driver
>> Details from the Reg Plate
>> in the uk
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jb
>>
>> "Big Brother Is Watching"
>>
>
>


 
We don't have that problems to same degree in Oz. If a car isn't
registered, the number plates have to be returned to the registration
authorities. The next time it is registered, it will get a new number. The
plates don't stay with the vehicle for life.

If the police find an unregistered car, they remove the number plates.

Ron


"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you think about it, it saves the hassle of having to produce your
> documents at a police station if you are stopped and don't happen to be
> carrying them with you.
>
> One thing a camera can not do however, so far as insurance is concerned is
> determine whether the driver of the vehicle is the legal owner and
> therefore
> properly insured to drive it unless we all have the reg tatooed on our
> foreheads too, nor can they tell if the car is a ringer or is carrying
> false
> plates if the details roughly match.
>
>
> --
> Larry
> Series 3 rust and holes
>
>
>
>
> "Office" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi All
>>
>> Did You See The Tv Program Last Week
>> The Police Have a Mobile Unit They Park up
>> That Can Track 3000 Cars Per Day etc For Mot,Tax Insurance Log Book &
> Driver
>> Details from the Reg Plate
>> in the uk
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jb
>>
>> "Big Brother Is Watching"
>>
>
>


 
On or around Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:29:19 +0100, "Office" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Hi All
>
>Did You See The Tv Program Last Week
>The Police Have a Mobile Unit They Park up
>That Can Track 3000 Cars Per Day etc For Mot,Tax Insurance Log Book & Driver
>Details from the Reg Plate
>in the uk

except the MOT database is not yet fully operational. Just had the bike
MOTd and it's th enormal kind written on paper 'cos the computer ain't
working yet.

--
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Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
On 2005-06-09, p38arover <[email protected]> wrote:

> If the police find an unregistered car, they remove the number plates.

Eh? So how does that work? Why does removing the plates make a
difference, given that it's already unregistered?

Strange lot, these aussies!

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On or around Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:29:39 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2005-06-09, p38arover <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If the police find an unregistered car, they remove the number plates.
>
>Eh? So how does that work? Why does removing the plates make a
>difference, given that it's already unregistered?
>

ain't the Oz plates license plates as well, though?

--
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Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On 2005-06-09, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> ain't the Oz plates license plates as well, though?

Still makes no difference, what's the point in removing them and
leaving the car as-is, if the plates are out of date then the car is
unlicensed on the public roads, if they take the plates off then the
car is unlicensed on public roads.. No difference. Surely they must
do sommat else other than just take the plates off.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:37:31 +0100, Larry wrote:

> One thing a camera can not do however, so far as insurance is
> concerned is determine whether the driver of the vehicle is the
> legal owner and therefore properly insured to drive it

The "legal owner" and "properly insured to drive it" are not related.
A suspect a majority of newish cars on the road are legally the
property of a finance company but with full use and maintenance
granted to the person paying off the finance, which may or may not be
"registered keeper", which may or may not be some one insured to drive
that vehicle.

Depends what details they get back from the insurance search on reg
number. Presumably a yes/no on insured and probably a list of the
insured drivers or a statement along the lines of "employees of XYC Co
Ltd.". Agreed they can't tell without stopping and identifying the
driver (wait until compulsulary remotely readable ID cards come in...)
but when they do it's something else to charge you with.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:29:39 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:

>> If the police find an unregistered car, they remove the number
>> plates.
>
> Eh? So how does that work? Why does removing the plates make a
> difference, given that it's already unregistered?

Presumably driving around without plates is a bit obvious and illegal.
Makes it easy to spot, be stopped and done...

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:34:02 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:37:31 +0100, Larry wrote:
>
>> One thing a camera can not do however, so far as insurance is
>> concerned is determine whether the driver of the vehicle is the
>> legal owner and therefore properly insured to drive it
>
>The "legal owner" and "properly insured to drive it" are not related.
>A suspect a majority of newish cars on the road are legally the
>property of a finance company but with full use and maintenance
>granted to the person paying off the finance, which may or may not be
>"registered keeper", which may or may not be some one insured to drive
>that vehicle.

Yes, a point often misunderstood. I'm legal owner of 2 cars,
registered keeper of 5 and insured to drive anything.

>
>Depends what details they get back from the insurance search on reg
>number. Presumably a yes/no on insured and probably a list of the
>insured drivers or a statement along the lines of "employees of XYC Co
>Ltd.". Agreed they can't tell without stopping and identifying the
>driver (wait until compulsulary remotely readable ID cards come in...)
>but when they do it's something else to charge you with.

It would only be possible to find out whether there was an insurance
policy for that vehicle. I believe that insurance companies tend to
honour the 3rd party element of any claim arising from said vehicle,
regardless of who was driving (more a 'custom and practice' thing than
a law though). No doubt they make efforts to reclaim their money from
the negligent/offending individual though.

Mandy's car was uninsured for seven months fairly recently. She'd
sent off all the paperwork and the insurer (who shall remain as
nameless as they were shameless) had 'lost it'. It was only months
later when she noticed that direct debits weren't coming out and rang
up to query it that they said 'oh, you never renewed'. Granted, she
should have noticed the lack of an insurance certificate through the
post, but didn't. Could have been very difficult had the worst
happened.






--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:07:41 GMT, "Grant Jump"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>some of those funny looking cameras record the bar-code and your reg.
^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^
Complete bollocks.

Please take this thread to alt.conspiracy.crap.****wits.galore

 
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