Need good tow vehicle - 110/RR?

On or around Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:51:50 +0100, "Autolycus"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>and means that, strictly, it's too wide to be towed by a anything under
>3500kg. 7'6". or whatever that is in these newfangled millimetre
>things, is your limit.

yeah, silly, ain't it. You can tow it behind a (large) transit, but not
behind a 110.

This one's wide mainly 'cos it has cunning rotating axles, so the bed can be
lowered to the ground - loading no problem, apart from the fact that the
pump for raising the bed again is manually operated... but then again, I
*could* fit a 12V one from a small electric-type tipper, if I thought it was
worth it. I could also have had one with it's original pump (which would
probably be better than the one I have on it) but it was an extra 500 quid.
Mine was 750 plus vat.


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On or around Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:51:50 +0100, "Autolycus"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Getting back to the original question - I find the 200tdi auto Rangey is
>OK for towing in terms of stability, but underpowered. 50mile/h flat
>out on motorway hills with 2.5 tons behind you really isn't enough if
>you're doing it at all regularly. Perhaps I should consider the Land
>Cruiser, but, like the Rangey, it seems such a waste lugging all that
>off-road capability around just to get something that has the magic
>"3500kg" figure in its handbook, when so many ordinary cars have just as
>much torque available.

You could always have this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4551959705

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> They weren't 20 years old then. They were new. I haven't driven a
> series 'rover since 1986 when I got issued with a brand new 90 diesel.
> Fantastic it was, we could keep up with our trucks (Bedford TM 8 tonne
> 4x4) instead of them waiting for the Landies.
> Series 'rovers were ok when we had AEC 10 tonners with a top speed of
> 32mph but the new Turbo'd TMs would out drag a loaded 3/4 tonne FFR
> any day.
> I'd love to get my hands on a Wolf.
>

I must admit, i get beaten by big 10+ ton trucks off the line. they have the
edge on me until i get into 4th gear (at 50k/hr), by then i have a few
metres to make up but push straight past. but up to 50ks they beat me
comprehensively. i spend half the time waiting for the bloody synchros to
get there act together.

Sam.

Autolycus wrote:
-snip-
> Getting back to the original question - I find the 200tdi auto Rangey is
> OK for towing in terms of stability, but underpowered. 50mile/h flat
> out on motorway hills with 2.5 tons behind you really isn't enough if
> you're doing it at all regularly. Perhaps I should consider the Land
> Cruiser, but, like the Rangey, it seems such a waste lugging all that
> off-road capability around just to get something that has the magic
> "3500kg" figure in its handbook, when so many ordinary cars have just as
> much torque available.

That's my problem. Pretty soon the government are probably going to
tax the hell out of anything that is actually rated to tow my espresso
trailer. I need something that can tow 2.5t and has a decent amount
of weight. That leaves a transit probably as the only vehicle that
isn't a 4x4 but is still large enough?


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Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>
> You could always have this one:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4551959705
>

That would do me fine!


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On or around Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:22:01 +0100, Danny
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>
>> You could always have this one:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4551959705
>>
>
>That would do me fine!

take note that the engine is big and heavy and non-standard, though; it
should have had uprated front springs fitted. It may or may not be
undergeared - the V8 discos, are, it seems to me, lower geared than the TDis
at that vintage; or looking at it another way, the later 300TDi we have here
shows lower revs than my "200" V8 at a given road speed.

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Austin Shackles wrote:

> take note that the engine is big and heavy and non-standard, though; it
> should have had uprated front springs fitted. It may or may not be
> undergeared - the V8 discos, are, it seems to me, lower geared than the TDis
> at that vintage; or looking at it another way, the later 300TDi we have here
> shows lower revs than my "200" V8 at a given road speed.
>

I would also be worried about putting that power through a standard
xfer and gearbox?

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On or around Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:15:57 +0100, Danny
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> take note that the engine is big and heavy and non-standard, though; it
>> should have had uprated front springs fitted. It may or may not be
>> undergeared - the V8 discos, are, it seems to me, lower geared than the TDis
>> at that vintage; or looking at it another way, the later 300TDi we have here
>> shows lower revs than my "200" V8 at a given road speed.
>>
>
>I would also be worried about putting that power through a standard
>xfer and gearbox?

I think it said it was an auto, and as such should be strong enough. Half
shafts might suffer, I suppose, although not as bad as the Series motors, as
you have 4 of 'em sharing the load.


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>That's my problem. Pretty soon the government are probably going to
>tax the hell out of anything that is actually rated to tow my espresso
>trailer. I need something that can tow 2.5t and has a decent amount
>of weight. That leaves a transit probably as the only vehicle that
>isn't a 4x4 but is still large enough?

Don't fret. Give 'em a while and they'll ban strong coffee as
well....


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Tim Hobbs wrote:
>>That's my problem. Pretty soon the government are probably going to
>>tax the hell out of anything that is actually rated to tow my espresso
>>trailer. I need something that can tow 2.5t and has a decent amount
>>of weight. That leaves a transit probably as the only vehicle that
>>isn't a 4x4 but is still large enough?
>
>
> Don't fret. Give 'em a while and they'll ban strong coffee as
> well....
>
>

Just the excuse I need to take my business abroad and sell espresso in
France or Spain (or Hungary, given the TV programme on cheap property
there this evening!!!)

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On 2005-05-31, Danny <[email protected]> wrote:

> I see that I can get a later (89/90) RR for the same money, but with
> higher mileage and often worse condition. Is there any reason why I
> should go for a later model if I end up getting a RR? Will the RR tow
> my trailer as well as the 110 did? Is a diesel RR any good?

To tie these together, the later RR Diesels had the 200Tdi engine.
This has a lot more power and a lot more torque than the VM unit
fitted to most RRCs. I have an 89 RR with a 200Tdi retro-fitted, and
it tows 2 tons of boat and trailer with no problem.

-- Pete

Pete Young wrote:
> To tie these together, the later RR Diesels had the 200Tdi engine.
> This has a lot more power and a lot more torque than the VM unit
> fitted to most RRCs. I have an 89 RR with a 200Tdi retro-fitted, and
> it tows 2 tons of boat and trailer with no problem.
>

Thanks. I used a Def90 for a few weeks whilst my 110 was having a new
engine, and with it's 2.5TD engine it pulled the trailer fine, but was
very smokey and lost power as the weeks went by. I eventually
diagnosed the dreaded blow-by as the rocker breather was pouring out
smoke and oil. I assume the 200Tdi would be better than this circa
'90 engine?


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On or around Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:58:55 +0100, Danny
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Thanks. I used a Def90 for a few weeks whilst my 110 was having a new
>engine, and with it's 2.5TD engine it pulled the trailer fine, but was
>very smokey and lost power as the weeks went by. I eventually
>diagnosed the dreaded blow-by as the rocker breather was pouring out
>smoke and oil. I assume the 200Tdi would be better than this circa
>'90 engine?

TDis are good, generally. A few of 'em overheat and damage heads, but
that's mostly due to englect and not due to any specific design faults.

I can offer you a 3.5 V8 disco, with LPG?

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Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:58:55 +0100, Danny
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Thanks. I used a Def90 for a few weeks whilst my 110 was having a new
>>engine, and with it's 2.5TD engine it pulled the trailer fine, but was
>>very smokey and lost power as the weeks went by. I eventually
>>diagnosed the dreaded blow-by as the rocker breather was pouring out
>>smoke and oil. I assume the 200Tdi would be better than this circa
>>'90 engine?
>
>
> TDis are good, generally. A few of 'em overheat and damage heads, but
> that's mostly due to englect and not due to any specific design faults.
>
> I can offer you a 3.5 V8 disco, with LPG?
>

I would be interested (once my remortgage is sorted and I can sell the
Jeep) - alas, LPG is not available anywhere in Portsmouth, apart from
the dealer who installs LPG kit here (Autogas, I think). Southampton
has about 7 LPG garages, the nearest to me is about 30 miles

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On or around Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:56:19 +0100, Danny
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:58:55 +0100, Danny
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Thanks. I used a Def90 for a few weeks whilst my 110 was having a new
>>>engine, and with it's 2.5TD engine it pulled the trailer fine, but was
>>>very smokey and lost power as the weeks went by. I eventually
>>>diagnosed the dreaded blow-by as the rocker breather was pouring out
>>>smoke and oil. I assume the 200Tdi would be better than this circa
>>>'90 engine?
>>
>>
>> TDis are good, generally. A few of 'em overheat and damage heads, but
>> that's mostly due to englect and not due to any specific design faults.
>>
>> I can offer you a 3.5 V8 disco, with LPG?
>>
>
>I would be interested (once my remortgage is sorted and I can sell the
>Jeep) - alas, LPG is not available anywhere in Portsmouth, apart from
>the dealer who installs LPG kit here (Autogas, I think). Southampton
>has about 7 LPG garages, the nearest to me is about 30 miles

bladdy odd. nowt on the LPGA list either.


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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 10:59:59 +0100, MVP wrote:

> 'tis odd, here in rural cornwall I have 3 within about 15 miles.

And even I have an LPG outlet down in the village not quite 2 miles
away. Donno where the next nearest is though, probably Carlisle 20 odd
miles away.

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On 2005-06-03, Danny <[email protected]> wrote:

> smoke and oil. I assume the 200Tdi would be better than this circa
> '90 engine?

Probably , though it's a bit of an unfair comparison since the 2.5TD
was clearly on its way out. Before I bought the Rangie I had a 110
with a 2.5 TD, and the 200Tdi has more torque and more power. There
are probably more Discos running around with this engine than RRs
though.

-- Pete

Pete Young wrote:
> Probably , though it's a bit of an unfair comparison since the 2.5TD
> was clearly on its way out. Before I bought the Rangie I had a 110
> with a 2.5 TD, and the 200Tdi has more torque and more power. There
> are probably more Discos running around with this engine than RRs
> though.
>
> -- Pete

Thanks.


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