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Derek

Guest
Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos. I'm old enough to have used
log books to record my daily toil and handed them in at the end of each week
and they went into storage once filled similarly tachograph charts I carry
two weeks of charts and hand them in for checking and storing after that
period.
Now we come to the new thing first you ( or your employer) have to buy a
chipped card off of Blair and Co (shysters to the country) for a stunning
£38 in addition you need a company card at another £38 your company needs a
download memory chip like a usb memory plug at a cool £185 and a computer
to read it plus software??? a smart card reader £56- Siemans quote a
starter package for the office at £1500 for owner drivers plus £7 for paper
rolls to print off the unit.
So if you are an owner driver thats coming off your profit margin in
addition there is the enforcement aspect.
Make a mistake and exceed the speed limit on your motor for 1 minute - thats
when you go downhill and your rev limiter is not slowing you below 56mph in
a bigun or whatever speed the spanners have set the tacho to in other
motors, it records it on the chip and flashes up a display which you need to
acknowledge ditto if you exceed your 4:30 accumulated driving hours without
a break.So far thats more or less as is , suppose a traffic policemen Vosa
or whoever stops you on a check how far back can he delve into your records
whcih you are carrying to see if you have made a mistake that you can be
prosecuted for? any body guess day , week, month?? year???? nope a year is
the minimum time that the tacho will carry data to hang you plus if somebody
else is driving that motor in that period and he /she gets stopped and
checked that record is still there waiting to bite your arse.
One more thing the person reading the tacho at base will have a read out of
everything you do during your working day minute to minute as good as if
they were standing behind you all daywatching everything you do.
Ask me if I think I will be driving trucks in twelve months time?
Ask me if I would like all the government to be equally accountable for
EVERY minute I an paying their wages????

Derek

I did look to see if the java based drivers demo was available online but it
seems you have to pay for that as well
see also
http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/home/
and
http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/data-management/data-management.htm?WT.ac=DTCO Datamanagement Banner
for the other demos of how to get legally screwed over

robbery without violence


 
"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
> sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
> some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
> the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos.


And of course this is basically the road test for the new black boxes that
they are going to mandate in EVERY vehicle in the next few years, the ones
we have to have for road tolling, which as a sideline will be able to grass
us up for every possible speed violation and allow big brother to track our
every move 8-(.
Greg


 

"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
> sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
> some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
> the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos. I'm old enough to have

used
> log books to record my daily toil and handed them in at the end of each

week
> and they went into storage once filled similarly tachograph charts I carry
> two weeks of charts and hand them in for checking and storing after that
> period.
> Now we come to the new thing first you ( or your employer) have to buy a
> chipped card off of Blair and Co (shysters to the country) for a stunning
> £38 in addition you need a company card at another £38 your company needs

a
> download memory chip like a usb memory plug at a cool £185 and a computer
> to read it plus software??? a smart card reader £56- Siemans quote a
> starter package for the office at £1500 for owner drivers plus £7 for

paper
> rolls to print off the unit.
> So if you are an owner driver thats coming off your profit margin in
> addition there is the enforcement aspect.
> Make a mistake and exceed the speed limit on your motor for 1 minute -

thats
> when you go downhill and your rev limiter is not slowing you below 56mph

in
> a bigun or whatever speed the spanners have set the tacho to in other
> motors, it records it on the chip and flashes up a display which you need

to
> acknowledge ditto if you exceed your 4:30 accumulated driving hours

without
> a break.So far thats more or less as is , suppose a traffic policemen Vosa
> or whoever stops you on a check how far back can he delve into your

records
> whcih you are carrying to see if you have made a mistake that you can be
> prosecuted for? any body guess day , week, month?? year???? nope a year is
> the minimum time that the tacho will carry data to hang you plus if

somebody
> else is driving that motor in that period and he /she gets stopped and
> checked that record is still there waiting to bite your arse.
> One more thing the person reading the tacho at base will have a read out

of
> everything you do during your working day minute to minute as good as if
> they were standing behind you all daywatching everything you do.
> Ask me if I think I will be driving trucks in twelve months time?
> Ask me if I would like all the government to be equally accountable for
> EVERY minute I an paying their wages????
>
> Derek
>
> I did look to see if the java based drivers demo was available online but

it
> seems you have to pay for that as well
> see also
> http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/home/
> and
>

http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/data-management/data-management.htm?WT.ac=DTCO%
20Datamanagement%20Banner
> for the other demos of how to get legally screwed over
>
> robbery without violence


Good. Perhaps that will stop the b****y great big lorries speeding through
my village.
TonyB
>
>



 
Greg wrote:
> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
>>sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
>>some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
>>the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos.

>
>
> And of course this is basically the road test for the new black boxes that
> they are going to mandate in EVERY vehicle in the next few years, the ones
> we have to have for road tolling, which as a sideline will be able to grass
> us up for every possible speed violation and allow big brother to track our
> every move 8-(.
> Greg


Surely friendly Tone and Gordon's government wouldn't dream of such an
underhand thing.
 
On 2006-11-11, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

> And of course this is basically the road test for the new black boxes that
> they are going to mandate in EVERY vehicle in the next few years, the ones
> we have to have for road tolling


Did you spot some government waffle about navigation units like TomTom
that can route around traffic issues? They regarded these as a
"problem" due to the jobsworth's standard excuse, "if everybody did
that" then the surrounding roads could also become gridlocked. They
said they'd "look into it". I wonder if they were really going to
look into how to prevent the satnav systems being set up to route you
through the least expensive routes.. In theory they should encourage
that to reduce load on the over-used routes but they seem to be more
interested in income than anything else.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On 2006-11-11, TonyB <[email protected]> wrote:

> Good. Perhaps that will stop the b****y great big lorries speeding through
> my village.


It might stop the British ones but not those from the rest of Europe...

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 

"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
>> sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
>> some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
>> the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos. I'm old enough to have

> used
>> log books to record my daily toil and handed them in at the end of each

> week
>> and they went into storage once filled similarly tachograph charts I
>> carry
>> two weeks of charts and hand them in for checking and storing after that
>> period.
>> Now we come to the new thing first you ( or your employer) have to buy a
>> chipped card off of Blair and Co (shysters to the country) for a stunning
>> £38 in addition you need a company card at another £38 your company needs

> a
>> download memory chip like a usb memory plug at a cool £185 and a
>> computer
>> to read it plus software??? a smart card reader £56- Siemans quote a
>> starter package for the office at £1500 for owner drivers plus £7 for

> paper
>> rolls to print off the unit.
>> So if you are an owner driver thats coming off your profit margin in
>> addition there is the enforcement aspect.
>> Make a mistake and exceed the speed limit on your motor for 1 minute -

> thats
>> when you go downhill and your rev limiter is not slowing you below 56mph

> in
>> a bigun or whatever speed the spanners have set the tacho to in other
>> motors, it records it on the chip and flashes up a display which you need

> to
>> acknowledge ditto if you exceed your 4:30 accumulated driving hours

> without
>> a break.So far thats more or less as is , suppose a traffic policemen
>> Vosa
>> or whoever stops you on a check how far back can he delve into your

> records
>> whcih you are carrying to see if you have made a mistake that you can be
>> prosecuted for? any body guess day , week, month?? year???? nope a year
>> is
>> the minimum time that the tacho will carry data to hang you plus if

> somebody
>> else is driving that motor in that period and he /she gets stopped and
>> checked that record is still there waiting to bite your arse.
>> One more thing the person reading the tacho at base will have a read out

> of
>> everything you do during your working day minute to minute as good as if
>> they were standing behind you all daywatching everything you do.
>> Ask me if I think I will be driving trucks in twelve months time?
>> Ask me if I would like all the government to be equally accountable for
>> EVERY minute I an paying their wages????
>>
>> Derek
>>
>> I did look to see if the java based drivers demo was available online but

> it
>> seems you have to pay for that as well
>> see also
>> http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/home/
>> and
>>

> http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/data-management/data-management.htm?WT.ac=DTCO%
> 20Datamanagement%20Banner
>> for the other demos of how to get legally screwed over
>>
>> robbery without violence

>
> Good. Perhaps that will stop the b****y great big lorries speeding
> through
> my village.
> TonyB
>>

It will make no difference whatsover, unless you live at the bottom of a
hill of course because the overspeed is only recorded above the limiters
maximum so a truck doing 56mph through a village which has a lesser speed
limit will not cause any record to be kept --yet .
Funny though on the way to work at the airport we drive down some very
narrow lanes made even narrower by a certain farmer installing posts outside
of his boundary fence (about ten years ago) to protect his nice new fence
and the council being sheep let him get away with it and then put kerbs in
to make the road even worse. I have yet to meet them (my workmate did twice
last week) but a certain Mister Nobby Dentists-mangle has 44 footers taking
a short cut down there to get to the airport the road is so tight that box
transits barely get through at the bends imagine what happens when the
airport staff are trying to get home/to work at shift ends and this mong
turns up filling the road.
Derek


 
"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> It will make no difference whatsover, unless you live at the bottom of a
> hill of course because the overspeed is only recorded above the limiters
> maximum so a truck doing 56mph through a village which has a lesser speed
> limit will not cause any record to be kept --yet .


Cue the new black boxes with GPS to work out where you are and how fast you
should be going...
Mind you if it stops the stream of aggregate and cement lorries belting
through our village it will have done some good, though I suspect car
drivers will fair far worse.
Greg



 
On 2006-11-11, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mind you if it stops the stream of aggregate and cement lorries belting
> through our village it will have done some good, though I suspect car
> drivers will fair far worse.


Business trumps "consumers" as we're all described as these days, so
any action taken will be against "consumers" and not freight. Learn
your place ;-)

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Just a quick point Derek,

You can get the card readers& software for £99 +Vat

Steve


"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
> sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
> some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
> the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos. I'm old enough to have
> used log books to record my daily toil and handed them in at the end of
> each week and they went into storage once filled similarly tachograph
> charts I carry two weeks of charts and hand them in for checking and
> storing after that period.
> Now we come to the new thing first you ( or your employer) have to buy a
> chipped card off of Blair and Co (shysters to the country) for a stunning
> £38 in addition you need a company card at another £38 your company needs
> a download memory chip like a usb memory plug at a cool £185 and a
> computer to read it plus software??? a smart card reader £56- Siemans
> quote a starter package for the office at £1500 for owner drivers plus £7
> for paper rolls to print off the unit.
> So if you are an owner driver thats coming off your profit margin in
> addition there is the enforcement aspect.
> Make a mistake and exceed the speed limit on your motor for 1 minute -
> thats when you go downhill and your rev limiter is not slowing you below
> 56mph in a bigun or whatever speed the spanners have set the tacho to in
> other motors, it records it on the chip and flashes up a display which you
> need to acknowledge ditto if you exceed your 4:30 accumulated driving
> hours without a break.So far thats more or less as is , suppose a traffic
> policemen Vosa or whoever stops you on a check how far back can he delve
> into your records whcih you are carrying to see if you have made a
> mistake that you can be prosecuted for? any body guess day , week, month??
> year???? nope a year is the minimum time that the tacho will carry data to
> hang you plus if somebody else is driving that motor in that period and he
> /she gets stopped and checked that record is still there waiting to bite
> your arse.
> One more thing the person reading the tacho at base will have a read out
> of everything you do during your working day minute to minute as good as
> if they were standing behind you all daywatching everything you do.
> Ask me if I think I will be driving trucks in twelve months time?
> Ask me if I would like all the government to be equally accountable for
> EVERY minute I an paying their wages????
>
> Derek
>
> I did look to see if the java based drivers demo was available online but
> it seems you have to pay for that as well
> see also
> http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/home/
> and
> http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/data-management/data-management.htm?WT.ac=DTCO Datamanagement Banner
> for the other demos of how to get legally screwed over
>
> robbery without violence
>
>



 

">
>
> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
>> sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
>> some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
>> the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos. I'm old enough to have
>> used log books to record my daily toil and handed them in at the end of
>> each week and they went into storage once filled similarly tachograph
>> charts I carry two weeks of charts and hand them in for checking and
>> storing after that period.
>> Now we come to the new thing first you ( or your employer) have to buy a
>> chipped card off of Blair and Co (shysters to the country) for a stunning
>> £38 in addition you need a company card at another £38 your company needs
>> a download memory chip like a usb memory plug at a cool £185 and a
>> computer to read it plus software??? a smart card reader £56- Siemans
>> quote a starter package for the office at £1500 for owner drivers plus £7
>> for paper rolls to print off the unit.
>> So if you are an owner driver thats coming off your profit margin in
>> addition there is the enforcement aspect.
>> Make a mistake and exceed the speed limit on your motor for 1 minute -
>> thats when you go downhill and your rev limiter is not slowing you below
>> 56mph in a bigun or whatever speed the spanners have set the tacho to in
>> other motors, it records it on the chip and flashes up a display which
>> you need to acknowledge ditto if you exceed your 4:30 accumulated driving
>> hours without a break.So far thats more or less as is , suppose a traffic
>> policemen Vosa or whoever stops you on a check how far back can he delve
>> into your records whcih you are carrying to see if you have made a
>> mistake that you can be prosecuted for? any body guess day , week,
>> month?? year???? nope a year is the minimum time that the tacho will
>> carry data to hang you plus if somebody else is driving that motor in
>> that period and he /she gets stopped and checked that record is still
>> there waiting to bite your arse.
>> One more thing the person reading the tacho at base will have a read out
>> of everything you do during your working day minute to minute as good as
>> if they were standing behind you all daywatching everything you do.
>> Ask me if I think I will be driving trucks in twelve months time?
>> Ask me if I would like all the government to be equally accountable for
>> EVERY minute I an paying their wages????
>>
>> Derek
>>
>> I did look to see if the java based drivers demo was available online but
>> it seems you have to pay for that as well
>> see also
>> http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/home/
>> and
>> http://dtco.siemensvdo.co.uk/data-management/data-management.htm?WT.ac=DTCO Datamanagement Banner
>> for the other demos of how to get legally screwed over
>>
>> robbery without violence
>>
>>

>

METWO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...> Just a quick
point Derek,
>
> You can get the card readers& software for £99 +Vat
>
> Steve


Thanks Steve needless to say Siemens don't seem to want to do that deal,
they only list the card reader at £56+ and the software at silly prices
http://www.tachographs.net/acatalog/TIS-web-storage.html#a60730402
and for an operator you need that key to plug into head units because you
have to archive all the data from the head units and be able to retrieve it
on request by Vosa or the old bill.
I don't think I'm that interested really having just bought my own sat
nav last week as the tight b*st*rds wouldn't cough up, wouldn't really need
it if the hyst-clerical staff would learn to take details down correctly- I
should put the soapbox back in the cupboard got an addon POI that shows
Landrover dealers locally handy!
Derek


 
On 2006-11-12, Derek <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't think I'm that interested really having just bought my own sat
> nav last week as the tight b*st*rds wouldn't cough up, wouldn't really need
> it if the hyst-clerical staff would learn to take details down correctly-


Lots of stories in the press about satnav systems taking trucks down
roads with low bridges, narrow roads etc, so watch out for that!

> I should put the soapbox back in the cupboard got an addon POI that
> shows Landrover dealers locally handy!


Was it you who smokes the occasional cigar? If so email me (this addy
is valid) as I've made a POI file of tobacconists who sell cigars, and
will be working on one that lists all the curry houses in the "Good
Curry Guide" at some point ;-)

--
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:05:04 +0000, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
>>>sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
>>>some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
>>>the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos.

>>
>>
>> And of course this is basically the road test for the new black boxes that
>> they are going to mandate in EVERY vehicle in the next few years, the ones
>> we have to have for road tolling, which as a sideline will be able to grass
>> us up for every possible speed violation and allow big brother to track our
>> every move 8-(.
>> Greg

>
>Surely friendly Tone and Gordon's government wouldn't dream of such an
>underhand thing.


It's not Tone thats doing it, it's those fascists in the EU

Alex
 
Alex wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:05:04 +0000, Dougal
> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Greg wrote:
>>
>>>"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
>>>>sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
>>>>some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
>>>>the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos.
>>>
>>>
>>>And of course this is basically the road test for the new black boxes that
>>>they are going to mandate in EVERY vehicle in the next few years, the ones
>>>we have to have for road tolling, which as a sideline will be able to grass
>>>us up for every possible speed violation and allow big brother to track our
>>>every move 8-(.
>>>Greg

>>
>>Surely friendly Tone and Gordon's government wouldn't dream of such an
>>underhand thing.

>
>
> It's not Tone thats doing it, it's those fascists in the EU
>
> Alex


There's no way that you'll convince me that Tone is innocent of
anything - but I'll be happy to blame the EU also.

As far as I am aware the EU is to blame for the tacho business - road
tolls and the like and specifically the use of GPS in connection
therewith are entirely within Tone's domain.
 

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> It's not Tone thats doing it, it's those fascists in the EU


No no, your dialectic is faulty comrade.

All official problems anyone has, of whatever nature, including speed
cameras and holes in the road, are the personal responsibility of the Prime
Minister.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.




 
On 2006-11-12, Alex <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's not Tone thats doing it, it's those fascists in the EU


ISTR that Britain is the one that enacts the EU's output with the
greatest gusto, certainly much complaining about drivers from the EU
being able to operate cheaper than UK drivers due to less restrictions
on them.

You'd think that politicians would be unwilling to give up power at
the drop of a hat, it's odd how the whole EU thing has come to pass.

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William Black wrote:

|| "Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
|| news:[email protected]...
||
||| It's not Tone thats doing it, it's those fascists in the EU
||
|| No no, your dialectic is faulty comrade.
||
|| All official problems anyone has, of whatever nature, including
|| speed cameras and holes in the road, are the personal
|| responsibility of the Prime Minister.

And the ****ty weather.

--
Rich
==============================

2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
1991 Transit Camper

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
Ian Rawlings wrote:

|| On 2006-11-12, Derek <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| I don't think I'm that interested really having just bought my own
||| sat
||| nav last week as the tight b*st*rds wouldn't cough up, wouldn't
||| really need it if the hyst-clerical staff would learn to take
||| details down correctly-
||
|| Lots of stories in the press about satnav systems taking trucks down
|| roads with low bridges, narrow roads etc, so watch out for that!
||
||| I should put the soapbox back in the cupboard got an addon POI that
||| shows Landrover dealers locally handy!
||
|| Was it you who smokes the occasional cigar? If so email me (this
|| addy is valid) as I've made a POI file of tobacconists who sell
|| cigars, and will be working on one that lists all the curry houses
|| in the "Good Curry Guide" at some point ;-)

The world will be grateful. (Just ordinary tobacconists would be enough -
mind the file wouldn't be very big.)

--
Rich
==============================

2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
1991 Transit Camper

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
On 2006-11-12, Richard Brookman <[email protected]> wrote:

> The world will be grateful. (Just ordinary tobacconists would be enough -
> mind the file wouldn't be very big.)


Well, anyone who wants a tomtom navigator format poi file of
cigar-stocking tobacconists can email me using a valid email address,
and I'll attend to it tomorrow. Some of them have a crap selection,
others are huge cigar shops, no real way to tell which is which from
the POI file I'm afraid!

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 

"Greg" wrote after
> "Derek" wrote


>> Some of us unfortunates are victim to the infamous spy in the cab (
>> sometimes applicable to Landies as well if you tow for work and probably
>> some High Caps) . well I have spent a mind numbing 4 hours learning about
>> the next EU agreed abomination - digital tachos.

>
> And of course this is basically the road test for the new black boxes that
> they are going to mandate in EVERY vehicle in the next few years, the ones
> we have to have for road tolling, which as a sideline will be able to
> grass
> us up for every possible speed violation and allow big brother to track
> our
> every move 8-(.


I thought they were intending to allow the SatNav system to control a
vehicles maximum speed in line with the speed limit on the road one is
travelling down.
Now most cars are becoming "fly by wire" it's not beyond the bounds of
possibility that this is only a few years away.

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Regards
Bob H



 
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