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On or around Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:13:25 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:50:01 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >...and Austin Shackles spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>> >
>> >
>> >> Beamends is pretty good too, although
>> >> not quite so well arranged in some areas.
>> >
>> >But it is blindingly fast. I always appreciate that.
>>
>> indeed. one of the main faults with Craddock is the slow loading.
>
>Sshhh! Don't tell 'em ;-)
>
>Richard

I don't think they lurk in here... poncey site with loads of unnecessary
graphics.

I've no objection in principle to fancy graphics on the opening pages, but
graphics in parts listings etc. are a waste of time.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:28:03 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

> I've no objection in principle to fancy graphics on the opening
> pages, but graphics in parts listings etc. are a waste of time.

Depends what you mean by graphics. A small picture of the part can
give far more information that lots of words. If you are buying soley
on unique part number and unambiguous part then a picture is a bit
redundant but when there are several parts that could be the one you
want, say due to small changes over time, a set of pictures is by far
the best way to show which one is which.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On or around Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:17:57 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:28:03 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> I've no objection in principle to fancy graphics on the opening
>> pages, but graphics in parts listings etc. are a waste of time.
>
>Depends what you mean by graphics. A small picture of the part can
>give far more information that lots of words. If you are buying soley
>on unique part number and unambiguous part then a picture is a bit
>redundant but when there are several parts that could be the one you
>want, say due to small changes over time, a set of pictures is by far
>the best way to show which one is which.

nah, I'm talking about silly graphical frames and background images for
basically-text lists.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)
 
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:00:54 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

> nah, I'm talking about silly graphical frames and background images
> for basically-text lists.

That I agree on, though if the parts don't change URL they should come
from your browsers cache on the next page rather than be downloaded
again. But I wouldn't rely on that as a site writer.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On or around Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:44:35 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:00:54 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> nah, I'm talking about silly graphical frames and background images
>> for basically-text lists.
>
>That I agree on, though if the parts don't change URL they should come
>from your browsers cache on the next page rather than be downloaded
>again. But I wouldn't rely on that as a site writer.

quite. Admittedly, I don't think I've looked at Craddock's site since I've
had 1Mbit access... but on 64Kb ISDN it was irritating, and on slower
dialups it was next-to-useless.

part of the problem is that for the most part, web designers have a
high-speed connnection, and some of them lack the imagination to see what
their cutesy site will work like at 40Kb.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
is to be none the less free than you were before."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16
 
On or around Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:44:35 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:00:54 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> nah, I'm talking about silly graphical frames and background images
>> for basically-text lists.
>
>That I agree on, though if the parts don't change URL they should come
>from your browsers cache on the next page rather than be downloaded
>again. But I wouldn't rely on that as a site writer.

Just looked - it does run OK on broadband speeds. Still issues, though -
like the discovery stuff all in on section despite that there are now 3
models of disco...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell"
Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military
Academy, 19 June 1879.
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:27:01 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:

> They worked fine, and now they have the dashes. Unforunately the
> original vector drawings are lost, so it'll have to wait until I get
> a couple of hours spare to re-do them :-(

Or attack them with the GIF animation part of PaintShop Pro... They
only have two frames, one with indicator on one with indicator off. I
might have a play if I get the chance...

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:54:07 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

> part of the problem is that for the most part, web designers have a
> high-speed connnection, and some of them lack the imagination to see
> what their cutesy site will work like at 40Kb.

Agreed, they all be working with files "hosted" either on their own PC
or over a 100Mbps network. I can see the difference between my site
across the 100Mbps LAN and my site when pulled over the internet and
512kbps broadband, even more so over 64k ISDN.

I do keep dialup users in mind and keep filesizes sensible, all photos
are resized to 320x240 and compressed down to 20k. The main webcam
image is 640x480 but that rarely gets above 50k.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:48:35 -0000, Richard Brookman wrote:

> Dunno about screen fonts, but I did a bit of research into this
> (fonts on the printed page) a few years ago.

Thats a crucial difference I think, screen resolutions are no where
near that of good sharp print. The fine lines and serifs disappear or
blur on screen, maybe creating strange colour fringes etc. I see the
latter effect on visited links on Richards pages.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
In message <[email protected]>
"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:27:01 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:
>
>> They worked fine, and now they have the dashes. Unforunately the
>> original vector drawings are lost, so it'll have to wait until I get
>> a couple of hours spare to re-do them :-(
>
>Or attack them with the GIF animation part of PaintShop Pro... They
>only have two frames, one with indicator on one with indicator off. I
>might have a play if I get the chance...
>
>--
>Cheers [email protected]
>Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
I fixed this problem for Richard in March of this year.

See:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.landrover/browse_thread/thread/c5
7333bb652c41ca/53d75baab585d4d8?lnk=st&q=beamends+gif&rnum=1&hl=en

I'm surprised he didn't use the images I offered then, Although I don't
have them anymore I could still re-do them if necessary.

Steve.


--
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Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus.
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:32:08 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Hull wrote:

>> Or attack them with the GIF animation part of PaintShop Pro... They
>> only have two frames, one with indicator on one with indicator off.
>> I might have a play if I get the chance...
>
> I fixed this problem for Richard in March of this year.

I thought someone had but as the problem was still there...

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
In message <[email protected]>
Stephen Hull <[email protected]> wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>
> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:27:01 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:
> >
> >> They worked fine, and now they have the dashes. Unforunately the
> >> original vector drawings are lost, so it'll have to wait until I get
> >> a couple of hours spare to re-do them :-(
> >
> >Or attack them with the GIF animation part of PaintShop Pro... They
> >only have two frames, one with indicator on one with indicator off. I
> >might have a play if I get the chance...
> >
> >--
> >Cheers [email protected]
> >Dave. pam is missing e-mail
> >
> >
> I fixed this problem for Richard in March of this year.
>
> See:
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.landrover/browse_thread/thread/c5
> 7333bb652c41ca/53d75baab585d4d8?lnk=st&q=beamends+gif&rnum=1&hl=en
>
> I'm surprised he didn't use the images I offered then, Although I don't
> have them anymore I could still re-do them if necessary.
>
> Steve.
>
>

I wasn't aware you had!

Richard
--
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Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:42:38 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:

>> I'm surprised he didn't use the images I offered then, Although I
>> don't have them anymore I could still re-do them if necessary.
>
> I wasn't aware you had!

You have mail. Works here at least under Mozilla...

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
In message <ba9a9ddb4d%[email protected]>
beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

[snip]


>> I fixed this problem for Richard in March of this year.
>>
>> See:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.landrover/browse_thread/thread/c5
>> 7333bb652c41ca/53d75baab585d4d8?lnk=st&q=beamends+gif&rnum=1&hl=en
>>
>> I'm surprised he didn't use the images I offered then, Although I don't
>> have them anymore I could still re-do them if necessary.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>
>I wasn't aware you had!
>
>Richard
>--
>www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
>Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
>Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
>Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay

Perhaps you didn't read the complete thread (BeamEnds - Shameless Plug)
in March, at the time I provided a link to the fixed versions held on my
website.

Steve.


--
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk
Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus.
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:42:38 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd wrote:
>
>>> I'm surprised he didn't use the images I offered then, Although I
>>> don't have them anymore I could still re-do them if necessary.
>>
>> I wasn't aware you had!
>
>You have mail. Works here at least under Mozilla...
>
>--
>Cheers [email protected]
>Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
I see you have fixed it ;)

Steve.


--
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk
Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus.
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce
 
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