more series brakes (rear adjusters..)

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:29:41 GMT, Duracell Bunny
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> i will probably try enlarging the pin before i go out and buy drums.
>>
>A bit of Bundy pipe will do the trick nicely, if you have the larger
>sizes around.

I think ive got some gas pipe that might do the job.
 
On or around Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:08:40 +0100, Alex
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The best method of eliminating this slack in the drum is to fit a
>steel sleeve over the pin on the shoe which the adjuster cam sits on.
>This moves the shoe further away, thus getting much better results
>with the adjusters.

Actually, the best method is to replace the drums. once worn to the point
where you can't get half-worn shoes to work properly, they're probably
getting weaker as well.

the sleeve on the pin is only a temporary bodge, which allows you to carry
on using worn drums.

Having said that, I could do with adjusting mine on the SIII again, and that
might benefit from a set of drums too.

probably advisable to replace them as an axle set - the shoes will have to
bed into the new drum and so the brakes might be uneven if you don't.
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In message <[email protected]>
Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:07:33 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Pads? you mean shoes?
> >
> ></pendant>
>
> yeah yeah :p
>
> >check the drums for wear. I had similar problems on an old SII - one drum
> >would only work properly with near-new shoes, 'til I replaced it.
>
> Richard - price check in aisle 1! drums for series SWB rear axle...

591039 Brake Drum - 10in - Series 88in to 1980/All 90 Rear
£14.09 inc VAT - in stock.

Richard

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On or around Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:32:52 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:07:33 +0100, Austin Shackles
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Pads? you mean shoes?

I'll have to have a look at one of mine - the adjuster gets tight enough to
just start binding and then goes "Boingggg"...

might just be worn shoes, of course. I'll have a looksee. wear everywhere,
I should think.

one of the front adjusters has a 9/16" head, instead of 11/16", and the back
ones are 1/2", which means that since my 9/16"x1/2" is broken I need 3
spanners...

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:07:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:32:52 +0100, beamendsltd
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>
>> Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:07:33 +0100, Austin Shackles
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Pads? you mean shoes?
>
>I'll have to have a look at one of mine - the adjuster gets tight enough to
>just start binding and then goes "Boingggg"...
>
>might just be worn shoes, of course. I'll have a looksee. wear everywhere,
>I should think.
>
>one of the front adjusters has a 9/16" head, instead of 11/16", and the back
>ones are 1/2", which means that since my 9/16"x1/2" is broken I need 3
>spanners...

The adjuster kit i just got has 2 sets of snails. the big ones are
spare. any reason why i cant fit em to the adjusters on the back axle
to take up the worn drum?

Also - Richard - that adjuster set is pretty crappy! (im not blaming
you for this)
I've got more bits left over than i used, the washers didnt appear to
fit anywhere (too small) and they would benefit from instructions.
its a good job im changing the shoes too since i couldnt work out a
way to make those adjusters work with my old shoes since the pin they
push on is shorter on the old shoes than the new ones and the adjuster
needs to be taller like the old one that came off.
 
Tom Woods wrote:

> The adjuster kit i just got has 2 sets of snails. the big ones are
> spare. any reason why i cant fit em to the adjusters on the back axle
> to take up the worn drum?

Note my earlier comment about incorrect adjusters - did someone fit
unsuitable ones earlier? If the larger ones will fit(and still leave
room for new linings in an unworn drum when fully retracted) why not
use them.
 
JD wrote:

||| Pads? you mean shoes?
|||
||| </pendant>
|||
|| Do you mean "pedant" - while we are being pedantic?
|| JD

Nah, it'll be some sheddish humour, like the pedant brake pedal on Edward.

--
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==============================

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:47:43 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:08:40 +0100, Alex
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>The best method of eliminating this slack in the drum is to fit a
>>steel sleeve over the pin on the shoe which the adjuster cam sits on.
>>This moves the shoe further away, thus getting much better results
>>with the adjusters.
>
>Actually, the best method is to replace the drums. once worn to the point
>where you can't get half-worn shoes to work properly, they're probably
>getting weaker as well.
>
>the sleeve on the pin is only a temporary bodge, which allows you to carry
>on using worn drums.
>

I've had excessive slack in the adjusters on vehicles to which i have
fitted new drums and shoes. Within 1000 miles it was impossible to
adjust the brakes as the cam would pass the highest point without too
much effort.

I suspect the problem lies in pattern/replacement shoes where the pin
is not accuratly located. I suspect there are variances which the
original shoes did not have. Or possibly they are shoes which were
orioginally made for a different vehicle, which somebody in landrover
parts department decided were equivalent without actually bothering to
check carefully.

Alex
 
In message <[email protected]>
Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:07:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On or around Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:32:52 +0100, beamendsltd
> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>In message <[email protected]>
> >> Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:07:33 +0100, Austin Shackles
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Pads? you mean shoes?
> >
> >I'll have to have a look at one of mine - the adjuster gets tight enough to
> >just start binding and then goes "Boingggg"...
> >
> >might just be worn shoes, of course. I'll have a looksee. wear everywhere,
> >I should think.
> >
> >one of the front adjusters has a 9/16" head, instead of 11/16", and the back
> >ones are 1/2", which means that since my 9/16"x1/2" is broken I need 3
> >spanners...
>
> The adjuster kit i just got has 2 sets of snails. the big ones are
> spare. any reason why i cant fit em to the adjusters on the back axle
> to take up the worn drum?
>
> Also - Richard - that adjuster set is pretty crappy! (im not blaming
> you for this)
> I've got more bits left over than i used, the washers didnt appear to
> fit anywhere (too small) and they would benefit from instructions.
> its a good job im changing the shoes too since i couldnt work out a
> way to make those adjusters work with my old shoes since the pin they
> push on is shorter on the old shoes than the new ones and the adjuster
> needs to be taller like the old one that came off.

er, well, yes - it's not the worlds best kit. The Bearmach ones are
much better, but we can't get them due to Terry at LandRanger in
Northwich getting our account blocked with Bearmach - he decided
to invoke the "15 mile" rule after we had had an account with Bearmach
for 4 years........ It's a bummer, but the best possible indicator
of our market position!

Richard

--
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www.radioparadise.com - Good Music, No Vine
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
Alex wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:47:43 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:08:40 +0100, Alex
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> The best method of eliminating this slack in the drum is to fit a
>>> steel sleeve over the pin on the shoe which the adjuster cam sits
>>> on. This moves the shoe further away, thus getting much better
>>> results with the adjusters.
>>
>> Actually, the best method is to replace the drums. once worn to the
>> point where you can't get half-worn shoes to work properly, they're
>> probably getting weaker as well.
>>
>> the sleeve on the pin is only a temporary bodge, which allows you to
>> carry on using worn drums.
>>
>
> I've had excessive slack in the adjusters on vehicles to which i have
> fitted new drums and shoes. Within 1000 miles it was impossible to
> adjust the brakes as the cam would pass the highest point without too
> much effort.
>
> I suspect the problem lies in pattern/replacement shoes where the pin
> is not accuratly located. I suspect there are variances which the
> original shoes did not have. Or possibly they are shoes which were
> orioginally made for a different vehicle, which somebody in landrover PURCHASING
> department decided were equivalent without actually bothering to
> check carefully.
>
> Alex



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On or around Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:30:37 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>er, well, yes - it's not the worlds best kit. The Bearmach ones are
>much better, but we can't get them due to Terry at LandRanger in
>Northwich getting our account blocked with Bearmach - he decided
>to invoke the "15 mile" rule after we had had an account with Bearmach
>for 4 years........ It's a bummer, but the best possible indicator
>of our market position!

do I gather that the aforementioned Terry put a spanner in the works with
Bearmach 'cos he has an account with them and is within 15 miles of you?

If so, what a ****. How to win friends and influence people... I assume
his account (if the above is true) predates yours?
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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:30:37 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >er, well, yes - it's not the worlds best kit. The Bearmach ones are
> >much better, but we can't get them due to Terry at LandRanger in
> >Northwich getting our account blocked with Bearmach - he decided
> >to invoke the "15 mile" rule after we had had an account with Bearmach
> >for 4 years........ It's a bummer, but the best possible indicator
> >of our market position!
>
> do I gather that the aforementioned Terry put a spanner in the works with
> Bearmach 'cos he has an account with them and is within 15 miles of you?

One of his franchises is, yes, in Longton - but he never objected
when we opened the account.

>
> If so, what a ****. How to win friends and influence people... I assume
> his account (if the above is true) predates yours?

Slightly - the Landranger franchise has been around for quite some time.

As I say, though, it let us know we are doing well, so he's only really
suceeded in scoring an own-goal, and probably lost Bearmach a lot
of sales. I think I'd better shut up on this now before I get carried
away........

Richard

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> Does this imply that the drum itself is worn? or is there some other
> possible explanation?
> There is a slight step on the inside of the drum but it doesnt seem
> too major. It is easy to push on and get off even on full adjust. The
> drum is nice and shiny so it obviously works eventually.

update to say that I replaced the drum and it means that instead of the
adjuster doing absolutely nothing it instead does nothing through
nearly all of its travel and then almost binds on the last 2 clicks. I
still dont have enough adjustment to lock the hub up.
The hub already has the bigger of the 2 adjuster snail cams on it.

I am therefore assuming that it is the pin on the shoes that is in
slightly the wrong place. Perhaps it is a conspiracy to make you buy
more brake shoes!

The shoes i have on appear to be identical to the new ones i just
bought from Richard - I think both are the britpart ones? (old ones
came from paddocks years ago i think)

For now i am going to put the new shoes on, but am going to find some
tube to put over the adjuster so that i can use half worn ones.

It would be interesting to compare them to some genuine/orignal ones.



Also found that the new drum only has one fixing screw hole rather than
3. Any reason for this or are they just trying to save a few pence by
drilling 2 less holes?

 
Tom Woods wrote:

> Also found that the new drum only has one fixing screw hole rather than
> 3. Any reason for this or are they just trying to save a few pence by
> drilling 2 less holes?

Think about it - whatis the screw doing when the road wheel is
attached? You only need the screw to retain the drum when the wheel is
off and one is more than enough. And it does save money.

Also if not already done check the fixed pivot pin for the shoes.
Loose? Welded up and possibly out of position?
 

> > Also found that the new drum only has one fixing screw hole rather than
> > 3. Any reason for this or are they just trying to save a few pence by
> > drilling 2 less holes?
>
> Think about it - whatis the screw doing when the road wheel is
> attached? You only need the screw to retain the drum when the wheel is
> off and one is more than enough. And it does save money.

you dont really need any screws since the wheel and wheel nuts hold it
on. There must be a good reason why landrover chose to fit 3 of them
though? (unless they were just trying to make it fun for people buying
'projects' that have sat for years and rusted up.. ;) )

> Also if not already done check the fixed pivot pin for the shoes.
> Loose? Welded up and possibly out of position?

looks tight and original. not looked closely for wear though. Will do.

 

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Does this imply that the drum itself is worn? or is there some other
> > possible explanation?
> > There is a slight step on the inside of the drum but it doesnt seem
> > too major. It is easy to push on and get off even on full adjust. The
> > drum is nice and shiny so it obviously works eventually.
>
> update to say that I replaced the drum and it means that instead of the
> adjuster doing absolutely nothing it instead does nothing through
> nearly all of its travel and then almost binds on the last 2 clicks. I
> still dont have enough adjustment to lock the hub up.

If you try to lock the hub up you will bend the pin on the shoe, they are
only supposed to hold the shoe to the drum for adjustment purposes. As I
said before jack up and turn each wheel until you can just feel it start to
bind , then back off a click or two, *don't* force it.

Martin

> The hub already has the bigger of the 2 adjuster snail cams on it.
>
> I am therefore assuming that it is the pin on the shoes that is in
> slightly the wrong place. Perhaps it is a conspiracy to make you buy
> more brake shoes!
>
> The shoes i have on appear to be identical to the new ones i just
> bought from Richard - I think both are the britpart ones? (old ones
> came from paddocks years ago i think)
>
> For now i am going to put the new shoes on, but am going to find some
> tube to put over the adjuster so that i can use half worn ones.
>
> It would be interesting to compare them to some genuine/orignal ones.
>
>
>
> Also found that the new drum only has one fixing screw hole rather than
> 3. Any reason for this or are they just trying to save a few pence by
> drilling 2 less holes?
>


 
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:45:20 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> > Does this imply that the drum itself is worn? or is there some other
>> > possible explanation?
>> > There is a slight step on the inside of the drum but it doesnt seem
>> > too major. It is easy to push on and get off even on full adjust. The
>> > drum is nice and shiny so it obviously works eventually.
>>
>> update to say that I replaced the drum and it means that instead of the
>> adjuster doing absolutely nothing it instead does nothing through
>> nearly all of its travel and then almost binds on the last 2 clicks. I
>> still dont have enough adjustment to lock the hub up.
>
>If you try to lock the hub up you will bend the pin on the shoe, they are
>only supposed to hold the shoe to the drum for adjustment purposes. As I
>said before jack up and turn each wheel until you can just feel it start to
>bind , then back off a click or two, *don't* force it.

i didnt mean lock it up solid. for the last 2 clicks i can just about
feel it touching the pad a little bit. it wasnt really binding just
touching slightly.
 
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