Mitch's Sound Proofing tips

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D90mitch

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So, given a lot of people want to add some form of sound proofing to their Defender, I will share what I think makes the biggest difference. There's not much of my 90 that hasn't been touched in some form.

To begin with, the most effective way to add soundproofing to your vehicle is with two layers. A thin, hard layer and on top of that a soft, closed cell foam. You don't want open cell foam as it will only absorb water. The reason behind the different layers is to absorb different frequencies of sound. Another way in which the harder mat type surface will reduce sound is by increasing the mass of the panel it is adhered to, subsequently reducing vibration and thus noise.

When soundproofing my 90, the first areas I targeted was the front foot wells, gearbox tunnel and the removable panels under the seat bases. As a matter of personal choice, on top of the hard sound proofing in the foot wells, I added sound proofing carpet. I got a large quantity at a good price from Noisekiller at one of the LRO shows. I added closed cell foam under the gearbox tunnel interior cover (the black matting). I also applied the hard mat and foam on top of the under seat panels.

Once finished in these areas, I took the vehicle for a drive and there was a noticeable improvement. I didn't have to raise my voice so high to speak to passengers and the general driving experience was improved.

Happy with the result, I took to soundproofing many other areas of the Land Rover. This began with the rear wheel arches. When I purchased the vehicle it already had some hard adhesive mat down identical to the other stuff I had used so I simply applied some of the acoustic carpet over the top of this. In addition, I purchased a second, thinner rubber mat to lay over the original in the back. The combination of the carpet and the chequer plate style mat made the rear of the vehicle look very smart indeed. The results were also noticeable but not to the extent of the changes made to the front. The floor itself in my vehicle is not carpeted so that it is still easy to clean out if it gets muddy. Instead I have thin rubber floor mats with a harder wearing plastic one on top.

I then moved on to applying the carpet to the ceiling inside the vehicle as I only had a headliner in the front section of the vehicle. Again, this made great improvements to the feel of the inside of the vehicle however no real improvement in sound dampening. Although, I did notice the vehicle seemed to retain heat better in the cold.

The final steps I took to reducing sound in the vehicle were to add sound insulation to the doors and the under bonnet area. Although the doors sound more solid when they close, I unfortunately did not notice much of a reduction in noise which was surprising given the thickness of the foam I used in the engine bay (note this was a foam with a heat reflective surface specifically designed for engine bays).

If the material you are using is not self adhesive, I urge you to use a high temperature spray glue or the material you have applied will likely peel away if the panel is left subject to strong sunlight!

So as a result, I can now talk with a slightly raised voice in a Land Rover 90 with a straight through exhaust system at 60+ on the motorway opposed to bordering on shouting in the 90 when it had no sound proofing and a standard exhaust system! I am sure with a silencer fitted my Landy would be even quieter inside. To be fair, I can barely tell there is a straight pipe unless I open the window... Just need to sort that vibrating exhaust bracket.

Other things you can do to decrease the cab noise of your Defender include:
Choosing better tyres (they don't necessarily have to be road tyres, I have Cooper Discover STT mud terrains and I can hardly notice them) Retreads are often noisy, I have had them in the past. Following on from that, make sure you have the right pressures in them!

Furthermore, make sure suspension bushes are not perished and splitting. Service your vehicle regularly with a semi synthetic oil.

Hopefully you found this helpful, I will hopefully add pictures in the future when I am back home.
 
Yeah, very helpful. I am going to try to do some of this before Morocco.

Have put a straight through exhaust on during the rebuild and am wondering if that was a mistake...
 
Just because an oil is sem syn or syn doesnt mean its better quality, thats bit of a myth to get people to spend more money they dont need to, especially on any of the tdi engines, which arent exactly renowned for their refinements!
 
Just because an oil is sem syn or syn doesnt mean its better quality, thats bit of a myth to get people to spend more money they dont need to, especially on any of the tdi engines, which arent exactly renowned for their refinements!

As far as diesel engines go without management systems, the TDI as about as far as you can get.

A synthetic grade oil is nearly always better than mineral. Mineral oil is a lower grade substance which is refined from coming out towards the bottom of the distillation column. Synthetic oils have better lubrication properties.

If you prefer to use mineral oil that's your preference however I find using semi synth superior especially as it isn't even that much more expensive.
 
Awesome advice! This is what my missus constitutes as top of the priority list, where I see that there is a point, it's mainly money, and namely, how much for the essential, makes a big difference type jobs?

A good job can be done of sound proofing for a hundred or so depending on what you use exactly. If you want a more aesthetic finish, in the foot wells/seat boxes and on the wheel arches in the rear, it is better to add sound proof backed carpet over the hard mat instead of foam. The carpet will last longer and look better. If you look after it properly it doesn't get dirty as badly as you would expect. My carpet has had some significant mud on it and with a little time it all comes off fine. I just don't advise putting carpet on the floors itself for obvious reasons. As said I will try and get some pics up next weekend. One of the most expensive pieces of my sound proofing was the bonnet foam but as I mentioned it didn't make that much of a difference!

Some people would say that's expensive but for a good quality bit of sound proofing you will find that's actually quite reasonable by time you have bought carpet, hard mat and glue. Of course this is all in relation to how much you want to cover! Many will also say not to bother with the above and use stable matting but unless you have your Defender as a work truck (then it would be ideal), it doesn't look that great and you can't cover/insulate many of the panels effectively. If you wanted you could use it for the load floor instead of a rubber mat. For sound proofing to really work properly, you have to first add mass to the panel then add a softer material to absorb the other frequencies transmitted such as road and engine noise. It's got to the point where in my 90, there't virtually no road noise, just the engine which is unfortunately very hard to reduce - the only way to tackle that would be to put some very thick foam on the bulkhead behind the dash - something I haven't gotten round to yet as it's quite a big job for a bit of foam!
 
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As far as diesel engines go without management systems, the TDI as about as far as you can get.

A synthetic grade oil is nearly always better than mineral. Mineral oil is a lower grade substance which is refined from coming out towards the bottom of the distillation column. Synthetic oils have better lubrication properties.

If you prefer to use mineral oil that's your preference however I find using semi synth superior especially as it isn't even that much more expensive.

Did you know most semi syn and syn oils have a mineral base?
I still cant see how it can effect the noise in the cabin?
 
A good job can be done of sound proofing for a hundred or so depending on what you use exactly. If you want a more aesthetic finish, in the foot wells/seat boxes and on the wheel arches in the rear, it is better to add sound proof backed carpet over the hard mat instead of foam. The carpet will last longer and look better. If you look after it properly it doesn't get dirty as badly as you would expect. My carpet has had some significant mud on it and with a little time it all comes off fine. I just don't advise putting carpet on the floors itself for obvious reasons. As said I will try and get some pics up next weekend. One of the most expensive pieces of my sound proofing was the bonnet foam but as I mentioned it didn't make that much of a difference!

Some people would say that's expensive but for a good quality bit of sound proofing you will find that's actually quite reasonable by time you have bought carpet, hard mat and glue. Of course this is all in relation to how much you want to cover! Many will also say not to bother with the above and use stable matting but unless you have your Defender as a work truck (then it would be ideal), it doesn't look that great and you can't cover/insulate many of the panels effectively. If you wanted you could use it for the load floor instead of a rubber mat. For sound proofing to really work properly, you have to first add mass to the panel then add a softer material to absorb the other frequencies transmitted such as road and engine noise. It's got to the point where in my 90, there't virtually no road noise, just the engine which is unfortunately very hard to reduce - the only way to tackle that would be to put some very thick foam on the bulkhead behind the dash - something I haven't gotten round to yet as it's quite a big job for a bit of foam!

Epic, thanks for that. I am happy to spend money to keep her sane. So anywhere up to 200ish is alright as she has agreed to pay half of it. You couldn't recommend any supplier of this stuff could you? Or was it many from many?
 
Epic, thanks for that. I am happy to spend money to keep her sane. So anywhere up to 200ish is alright as she has agreed to pay half of it. You couldn't recommend any supplier of this stuff could you? Or was it many from many?

I quite like the look of the noisekiller kits, you seem to get a lot for your money. Not cheap though!
 
I quite like the look of the noisekiller kits, you seem to get a lot for your money. Not cheap though!

You won't get much for 200 with a noisekiller kit! It's better just to do your self. Quite a satisfying job to do also. The only thing I used noisekiller for was the carpet. You could use any, there's loads about on ebay, just get some sound insulated automotive carpet, preferably plastic backed.

Did you know most semi syn and syn oils have a mineral base?
I still cant see how it can effect the noise in the cabin?

If the engine runs more smoothly, it makes less vibration and hence less noise. Makes the drive more pleasurable and less like a misfiring tractor. I also noticed that changing to 10w40 recently from 15w40 made a massive difference when the engine was cold, but that is likely down to the cold viscosity of the 15w40 in lower temperatures.
 
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