Military Land Rover Blue Lights

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[email protected]

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• Jan 11, 2005

• #1

Hi, I've seen a number of old army land rovers at shows, like at
beltring, etc with blue lights on, i would like to fit one to my old
military land rover, but whats the position? it would be a "dummy" blue
light, in so much as it wouldn't be wired into the vehicles electics,
and therefore not able to flash, would i have to keep taking it off or
cover it up when driving on the road? or is it ok as long as its on a
classic and not working or capable of working? its authentic to my
vehicle, as it had one when it was in service

Thanks

 

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Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld

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• Jan 11, 2005

• #2

[email protected] wrote:
> Hi, I've seen a number of old army land rovers at shows, like at
> beltring, etc with blue lights on, i would like to fit one to my old
> military land rover, but whats the position? it would be a "dummy"
> blue light, in so much as it wouldn't be wired into the vehicles
> electics, and therefore not able to flash, would i have to keep
> taking it off or cover it up when driving on the road? or is it ok as
> long as its on a classic and not working or capable of working? its
> authentic to my vehicle, as it had one when it was in service
>
> Thanks

It would have to be covered up or removed along with any other markings such
as 'Military Police' etc when travelling on public roads.

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beamendsltd

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• Jan 11, 2005

• #3

In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] wrote:

> Hi, I've seen a number of old army land rovers at shows, like at
> beltring, etc with blue lights on, i would like to fit one to my old
> military land rover, but whats the position? it would be a "dummy" blue
> light, in so much as it wouldn't be wired into the vehicles electics,
> and therefore not able to flash, would i have to keep taking it off or
> cover it up when driving on the road? or is it ok as long as its on a
> classic and not working or capable of working? its authentic to my
> vehicle, as it had one when it was in service
>
> Thanks
>

You can have as many blue lights as you like, and they can work. BUT,
you must *never* use them on the road. The word "Police", if you
have them too, must be covered too - some black tape in an X will
do. If you go to your loca classic car show you will be able to
ask the inevitable Police Ford Anglia owner what they do ;-)

Richard
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Erik-Jan Geniets

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• Jan 11, 2005

• #4

beamendsltd wrote:
The word "Police", if you
> have them too, must be covered too - some black tape in an X will
> do.

Just replace the "C" for a "T".
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.


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Aled

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• Feb 3, 2005

• #5

In article <f060812b4d%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> You can have as many blue lights as you like, and they can work. BUT,
> you must *never* use them on the road. The word "Police", if you

That's not entirely accurate. The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
state that you must not have a blue flashing beacon *fitted* to your
vehicle - actually, it says it in a very roundabout way and says lots of
other things in very roundabout ways too. However, the enforcement of
this is far less rigid. I suspect that having it incapable of producing
light would actually conform to the law.

Cheers,
Aled.

 

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Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com

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• Feb 3, 2005

• #6

Aled wrote:
> That's not entirely accurate. The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
> state that you must not have a blue flashing beacon *fitted* to your
> vehicle - actually, it says it in a very roundabout way and says lots
> of other things in very roundabout ways too. However, the enforcement
> of this is far less rigid. I suspect that having it incapable of
> producing light would actually conform to the law.

That's partly true but the guidance is that blue lights or lightbars must be
covered such that the light/lens is not visible and any wording should be
either covered or struck out in such a way that it would be clear that the
vehicle was not in use.

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Feb 3, 2005

• #7

On or around Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:49:33 -0000, Aled <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>In article <f060812b4d%[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> You can have as many blue lights as you like, and they can work. BUT,
>> you must *never* use them on the road. The word "Police", if you
>
>That's not entirely accurate. The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
>state that you must not have a blue flashing beacon *fitted* to your
>vehicle - actually, it says it in a very roundabout way and says lots of
>other things in very roundabout ways too. However, the enforcement of
>this is far less rigid. I suspect that having it incapable of producing
>light would actually conform to the law.

we had an ex-ambulance which still had the blue lights on the bonnet - we
were advised by plod to remove them, despite claiming (untruthfully, as it
happens) that they didn't work. Still had the airhorn pump, an' all

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boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)

 

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beamendsltd

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• Feb 4, 2005

• #8

In message <[email protected]>
Aled <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <f060812b4d%[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > You can have as many blue lights as you like, and they can work. BUT,
> > you must *never* use them on the road. The word "Police", if you
>
> That's not entirely accurate. The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
> state that you must not have a blue flashing beacon *fitted* to your
> vehicle - actually, it says it in a very roundabout way and says lots of
> other things in very roundabout ways too. However, the enforcement of
> this is far less rigid. I suspect that having it incapable of producing
> light would actually conform to the law.
>
> Cheers,
> Aled.

Not according to the classic car brigade - or Land Rover
when I worked there.

Richard
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Blippie

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• Feb 4, 2005

• #9

>I suspect that having it incapable of
>producing light would actually conform to the law.

No, it wouldn't. As well as blue emergency beacons being illegal, anything
that resmbles a blue emergency beacon is illegal too.

Cheers

Blippie
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of ordinary rain in a month.

 

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David G. Bell

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• Feb 5, 2005

• #10

On Friday, in article
<[email protected]>
alt.aviation.roswell.wannabe.wannabe.wannabe "Blippie"
wrote:

> >I suspect that having it incapable of
> >producing light would actually conform to the law.
>
> No, it wouldn't. As well as blue emergency beacons being illegal, anything
> that resmbles a blue emergency beacon is illegal too.

It depends on the precise design of the beacon, but I don't think it
would be hard to make an opaque cover. Keeping it secure would be the
trick.

Maybe just a plastic plantpot?

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Jeff

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• Feb 5, 2005

• #11

What the lighting regulations actually say on the subject is:

(4) Without prejudice to regulation 16, for the purposes of these
Regulations a lamp shall not be treated as being a lamp if it is-


(a) so painted over or masked that it is not capable of being immediately
used or readily put to use; or


(b) an electric lamp which is not provided with any system of wiring by
means of which that lamp is, or can readily be, connected with a source of
electricity.
Restrictions on fitting blue warning beacons, special warning lamps and
similar devices
16. No vehicle, other than an emergency vehicle, shall be fitted
with-


(a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or


(b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special
warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.


Regards
Jeff

 

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Blippie

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• Feb 6, 2005

• #12

I reckon 4 (a) is less open to interpretation than 4 (b), unless the whole
wiring has been stripped out.

Cheers

Blippie
--
Ten minutes of this rain will do more good in half an hour than a fortnight
of ordinary rain in a month.

 

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Badger

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• Feb 6, 2005

• #13

"Blippie" <alt.aviation.roswell.wannabe.wannabe.wannabe> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I reckon 4 (a) is less open to interpretation than 4 (b), unless the whole
>wiring has been stripped out.
>
> Cheers
>
> Blippie
> --
> Ten minutes of this rain will do more good in half an hour than a
> fortnight of ordinary rain in a month.

Hi guys, I've been following this thread with interest for a while now, but
what I don't understand is why you want a blue light on an ex military
vehicle in the first place......, unless of course it was either a police,
fire or bomb-disposal vehicle originally?
FWIW, a friend has a yank cop car that he takes to various shows around the
country, his blues are wired through an underbonnet master switch so that
they can't be switched on when driving (as long as the switch is off,
obviously) and the local plod - whom he checked up with - are quite happy
with this arrangement. He doesn't need to cover up the lights or decals, as
it is so obviously not a uk police car that he couldn't be accused of
impersonating one. (It's a ford crown vic!)
Badger.