Matthew Reidy Remap for Freelander 1 L series ?

Hi all,
I am seriously considering a remap from the above (Matthew Reidy)
He seems to be the most knowledgeable and experienced guy in the business. Also - all maps are rolling road tested.
I am interested in user feedback good or bad on the product. ?

I have talked to Matthew and I am genuinely convinced that the product is as written on the tin - he can custom mod as needed for WHERE you want the increase !

Anyone used the re-map ? (re-chip) and would care to comment >?

Looks like a real 40 foot / pounds torque and 30 / 40 HP.

Along with the egr and decat it should be interesting - I believe the decat makes a SERIOUS difference - it certainly did to mine ! (L series) night and day - pulls like a train low down !. - I still intend to firstly up the boost to 19 psi by simply adjusting the link - so all should be accumulative .

Any comments / observations ?

Cheers all

Joe

This guy I believe is the dogs whatzitz when it comes to the L Series...

http://www.dieselpowered.co.uk/

Have a look at...

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/l-series-mods.284526/

We haven't seen @DastardlyDan on here much recently, but he knows his L Series stuff.

his guy I believe is the dogs whatzitz when it comes to the L Series...

http://www.dieselpowered.co.uk/

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cheers for that GG ..
not seen that site before .. looks interesting ..
ecu egr delete 'n all ..
and they are not far from me ..
( just saved enough dosh to possibly buy an uprated intercooler
( plus .. have been contemplating a remap

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While I have heard good things about his remaps. Looking at your numbers, the maths doesn't work. 40 Ftlb of torque is a good increase as is 40 Bhp. However on a diesel, with it's limited rev range, you won't have an extra 40 Bhp from a 40 Ftlb of torque increase

After spending almost £11,000 .. .. ( )
http://www.dieselcar.com/features/tuning-feature-diesel-developer/

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GrumpyGel said:

This guy I believe is the dogs whatzitz when it comes to the L Series...

http://www.dieselpowered.co.uk/

Have a look at...

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/l-series-mods.284526/

We haven't seen @DastardlyDan on here much recently, but he knows his L Series stuff.

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Hi GG, thanks for the links -
I just checked my notes from my conversation with him - what he is saying is that a realistic figure is around 220 / 225 Foot Pounds torque (standard 155) and 30 - 35 HP increase - however it is the torque that matters. The above figures are based on the decat, turbo boost at 19 psi, and the remap (rechip on this ecu)
That is a hell of a deal !
From research there appears to be two main people into the L series rechip -Matthew Reidy at http://www.dynamic-ecu-tuning.co.uk/ and Kris at dieselpowered.co.uk
I will also talk to Kris atdieselpowered as well.
The attraction for me (also) is that I can remove the existing eproms from my ecu, read the hex files and send them to Matthew who will then send me updated files to reflash to replacement eeproms.
Note - that is not the normal way - it is simply due to where I am located and my electronics / microprocessor background that he is willing to do that.
For anyone locally to him I think the price is about 200 quid.
The figures quoted - (for both the above tuning companies) are torque - std 155 - easily achievable potential 225, bhp std 95 - easily achievable potential 130.

I like the fact that Matthew is fully prepared to adjust the mapping if required after the sale ! (free of charge)
Joe

Nodge68 said:

While I have heard good things about his remaps. Looking at your numbers, the maths doesn't work. 40 Ftlb of torque is a good increase as is 40 Bhp. However on a diesel, with it's limited rev range, you won't have an extra 40 Bhp from a 40 Ftlb of torque increase

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Hi Nodge, you raise a valid point - however, my quoted figures were not in the correct context. (apologies) - I was quoting a brief conversation.
the standard unit is more or less 155 Ft/ Lb torque at 95 BHP - hence - by math alone - the rpm at max quoted torque is around 3200.
With the map alone - an increase of 35 hp and 40 ft/lb torque would INCREASE the peak to 3500 rpm (just a basic math model)

Ok, so - on real world (supposed) figures with appropriate mods to decat and egr and remap - quoted figures from BOTH specialists = increase in torque from 155 to 225 and HP from 95 to 130. The rpm at max quoted torque drops to 3000.
Obviously, this is all academic as one needs to see the actual dyno plot.
The end result is more grunt at lower rpm.
Joe

hd3 said:

After spending almost £11,000 .. .. ( )
http://www.dieselcar.com/features/tuning-feature-diesel-developer/

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What ?? - a mere pittance
ONLY 11K ?? sheesh - my bride spends that on shoes ! - and they are CRAP for off road...................................

Joe_H said:

Hi Nodge, you raise a valid point - however, my quoted figures were not in the correct context. (apologies) - I was quoting a brief conversation.
the standard unit is more or less 155 Ft/ Lb torque at 95 BHP - hence - by math alone - the rpm at max quoted torque is around 3200.
With the map alone - an increase of 35 hp and 40 ft/lb torque would INCREASE the peak to 3500 rpm (just a basic math model)

Ok, so - on real world (supposed) figures with appropriate mods to decat and egr and remap - quoted figures from BOTH specialists = increase in torque from 155 to 225 and HP from 95 to 130. The rpm at max quoted torque drops to 3000.
Obviously, this is all academic as one needs to see the actual dyno plot.
The end result is more grunt at lower rpm.
Joe

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I was being pedantic
When I was building high performance Triumph engines years ago more recently Rover units. I'd love to have found 40 Ftlb of torque that easily!!
Bhp figures are pretty irrelevant really, it's torque that pulls the car down the road, not Bhp.
Thankfully turbo diesel engines are good at making lots of torque, if you know what you are doing.

Nodge68 said:

I was being pedantic
When I was building high performance Triumph engines years ago more recently Rover units. I'd love to have found 40 Ftlb of torque that easily!!
Bhp figures are pretty irrelevant really, it's torque that pulls the car down the road, not Bhp.
Thankfully turbo diesel engines are good at making lots of torque, if you know what you are doing.

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Absolutely Nodge
Fully agreed !. I also used to work in the 'business' but with mainly A Series engines from simple mods to centre crank strapped block to split 40 DCOE weber carbs and 649 race cams (as opposed to the 741 and 544 units). I used to build and set up race and road rally engines - including the ubiquitous ford Crossflow 1600 ( the 711 M block version - as opposed to the 681 and similar units) - on the odd occasion the Pinto 2000 cc unit (OHC) . I actually used to participate in a Vauxhall Chevette HS Group 4 Lotus unit - eventually changed to a single cam Bill Blydenstein 4X cam with twin SU 2" carbs due to the change in road rally regs ! - AND previously in a tweaked Talbot Sunbeam lotus 2.0 ltr on twin 40's ,,, but..................., these are WAY beyond most of our readers memories
However, regarding the L series, yes, genuine figures are definitely achievable.. a remap is a remap (or re chip) the end results all depends on the other mods you do.
I cannot emphasise more that the best mod ever to my l series was simply the cat removal - it really is a different motor

Check this out for a bit of mind blowing fun- truly amazing !

Tony Pond at his best ! - unfortunately Tony passed away - but - stuff like this lives on ! - he IS da MAN !




Watch it and weep ! - this is the real deal - ! the FL v6 is a family member !

freeking awesome - ! - I also have some vids of Tony totally stoned and rolling a sunbeam - lmao -

Joe

Nodge68 said:

I was being pedantic
When I was building high performance Triumph engines years ago more recently Rover units. I'd love to have found 40 Ftlb of torque that easily!!
Bhp figures are pretty irrelevant really, it's torque that pulls the car down the road, not Bhp.
Thankfully turbo diesel engines are good at making lots of torque, if you know what you are doing.

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Nodge mate - were you into the TR8 and the Rover V8 ? (Buick 200 CU unit ?)

I had a TR6 many years ago - the TC version - - ah - bliss - the GT6 .. frightening but fun....
Joe

get ya self over the the mg rover.org forums diesel section, loads of info on how to adjust the boost on the L series

also check these guys out, they recon sdi injectors which combined with a boost increase can take power to the 130 bhp mark ( dependant on car ) without a remap and do other nice shiney bits to help the l series breath

https://darkicedesigns.com/en/

LUKBENPHI said:

get ya self over the the mg rover.org forums diesel section, loads of info on how to adjust the boost on the L series

also check these guys out, they recon sdi injectors which combined with a boost increase can take power to the 130 bhp mark ( dependant on car ) without a remap and do other nice shiney bits to help the l series breath

https://darkicedesigns.com/en/

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Hi Mate, I think this is one of the most understood and often misquoted aspects of the L series in the freelander.(adding 'SDi' Injectors) It ALREADY HAS SDi injectors as STANDARD !
Adding them from another vehicle makes jack **** difference !

The link you have quoted is actually talking total bollox and so are many sites quoting such BS ! - sorry mate - BUT !!!!

ANY so called 'tuning guide' that advocates adding SDi injectors to a freelander simply is - totally - talking utter ****e .... and unfortunately - there are a LOT of these sites around...

So, FACT - the FREELANDER L Series ALREADY HAS - SDi Injectors - PERIOD...

What a total load of crap from most sites. - I wish folks would wake up and smell the roses - or - utter BS from the SDi advocates - anyone that goes down this path simply has not got a clue.

Joe_H said:

Hi Mate, I think this is one of the most understood and often misquoted aspects of the L series in the freelander.(adding 'SDi' Injectors) It ALREADY HAS SDi injectors as STANDARD !
Adding them from another vehicle makes jack **** difference !

The link you have quoted is actually talking total bollox and so are many sites quoting such BS ! - sorry mate - BUT !!!!

ANY so called 'tuning guide' that advocates adding SDi injectors to a freelander simply is - totally - talking utter ****e .... and unfortunately - there are a LOT of these sites around...

So, FACT - the FREELANDER L Series ALREADY HAS - SDi Injectors - PERIOD...

What a total load of crap from most sites. - I wish folks would wake up and smell the roses - or - utter BS from the SDi advocates - anyone that goes down this path simply has not got a clue.

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No need to apologize taken in good faith just quoting what I have read over the years from when i had mg rover stuff, they do make a difference on mg rover products ive seen the print outs and I was informed the lr ones were a halfway house between the sdi and the later r45 ones due to opening pressures being inbetween

either way But they do do some nice shiney bits and pieces for the l series which look cool

LUKBENPHI said:

No need to apologize taken in good faith just quoting what I have read over the years from when i had mg rover stuff, they do make a difference on mg rover products ive seen the print outs and I was informed the lr ones were a halfway house between the sdi and the later r45 ones due to opening pressures being inbetween

either way But they do do some nice shiney bits and pieces for the l series which look cool

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I was not apologising lol
Nice one
Joe

Joe_H said:

sorry mate

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You did lol

Joe_H said:

Absolutely Nodge
Fully agreed !. I also used to work in the 'business' but with mainly A Series engines from simple mods to centre crank strapped block to split 40 DCOE weber carbs and 649 race cams (as opposed to the 741 and 544 units). I used to build and set up race and road rally engines - including the ubiquitous ford Crossflow 1600 ( the 711 M block version - as opposed to the 681 and similar units) - on the odd occasion the Pinto 2000 cc unit (OHC) . I actually used to participate in a Vauxhall Chevette HS Group 4 Lotus unit - eventually changed to a single cam Bill Blydenstein 4X cam with twin SU 2" carbs due to the change in road rally regs ! - AND previously in a tweaked Talbot Sunbeam lotus 2.0 ltr on twin 40's ,,, but..................., these are WAY beyond most of our readers memories
However, regarding the L series, yes, genuine figures are definitely achievable.. a remap is a remap (or re chip) the end results all depends on the other mods you do.
I cannot emphasise more that the best mod ever to my l series was simply the cat removal - it really is a different motor

Check this out for a bit of mind blowing fun- truly amazing !

Tony Pond at his best ! - unfortunately Tony passed away - but - stuff like this lives on ! - he IS da MAN !




Watch it and weep ! - this is the real deal - ! the FL v6 is a family member !

freeking awesome - ! - I also have some vids of Tony totally stoned and rolling a sunbeam - lmao -

Joe

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lol, I'll have to digitise the 'lap' I did in my VW Passat when I worked on the island - not quite a quick as that one! Its a wierd place the IOM, a sleepy & decaying (from its hayday) backwater for 50 weeks of the year but bloody mental for 2.

My cousin's father-in-law is (was) a chap called George Begg. He built and raced bikes here in NZ before shifting to Britain with a friend and fellow racer. He first competed in the IOM TT in 1955. He competed the next year as well but his friend died at a crash in Aintree and he didn't race after that. He switched to cars, and in his time built 18 different race cars that competed in NZ and Europe up to F5000. He also spent a few years working for Bruce McLaren from 1968 until he died in testing. George did build a car to 'take on F1' but what happened is a bit 'hazey' being related by family stories - it got to its 1st event but technical problems stopped it from racing and, for whatever reason, probably money, they never got to another event!

He returned to race the IOM in later years, the last time was 1987 in the Manx Classic - 32 years after he first raced it!

He's an interesting 'old time' engineer and racer. If you get a few minutes there's an interesting write up on him here http://www.angelfire.com/retro/begg/beggstory1.htm

Joe_H said:

Absolutely Nodge
Fully agreed !. I also used to work in the 'business' but with mainly A Series engines from simple mods to centre crank strapped block to split 40 DCOE weber carbs and 649 race cams (as opposed to the 741 and 544 units). I used to build and set up race and road rally engines - including the ubiquitous ford Crossflow 1600 ( the 711 M block version - as opposed to the 681 and similar units) - on the odd occasion the Pinto 2000 cc unit (OHC) . I actually used to participate in a Vauxhall Chevette HS Group 4 Lotus unit - eventually changed to a single cam Bill Blydenstein 4X cam with twin SU 2" carbs due to the change in road rally regs ! - AND previously in a tweaked Talbot Sunbeam lotus 2.0 ltr on twin 40's ,,, but..................., these are WAY beyond most of our readers memories
However, regarding the L series, yes, genuine figures are definitely achievable.. a remap is a remap (or re chip) the end results all depends on the other mods you do.
I cannot emphasise more that the best mod ever to my l series was simply the cat removal - it really is a different motor

Check this out for a bit of mind blowing fun- truly amazing !

Tony Pond at his best ! - unfortunately Tony passed away - but - stuff like this lives on ! - he IS da MAN !




Watch it and weep ! - this is the real deal - ! the FL v6 is a family member !

freeking awesome - ! - I also have some vids of Tony totally stoned and rolling a sunbeam - lmao -

Joe

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You did much the same stuff as me the then. I spent lots of time on Triumph 4 and 6 cylinder engines with bits of Ford Essex, Kent and Pinto as well as Hillman Avenger units. I did some work on a Sunbeam Lotus too, fitting 48 Dellortos and decent exhaust. The head came from QED as they were the Lotus guy's at the time. That 2.2 16 value unit made a solid 235 Bhp on the dyno. Not surprisingly, that Sunbeam absolutely flew.
I remember Tony Pond doing that IOM run although I'm not convinced that the car was straight off the production line as was supposed to be the case. It was an 88 Vitesse with the Honda C27A 177 Bhp engine (the KV6 didn't appear until 96).
The car used sounds like it was running an open exhaust which would have helped with power slightly. Being a pre-91 there was no power sucking cat, the fitment of which cut the power of the C27A to under 170 Bhp.
He appears to have a manual box which I didn't think was available for the C27A engine. I thought all 2.7s were fitted with the S4 auto, but I guess not. The speedometer is a bit optimistic as Rovers own figures showed a top speed of a under 140Mph. Still it's a good bit of Rover history and driven by a superb driver of the time.
For comparison, the later, lighter and smaller MG ZS180 with the 177 Bhp KV6 engine will only just nudge 140 Mph. I'm curious as to how the MG would have done in the same IOM run? I guess we'll never know now.

Joe_H said:

Nodge mate - were you into the TR8 and the Rover V8 ? (Buick 200 CU unit ?)

I had a TR6 many years ago - the TC version - - ah - bliss - the GT6 .. frightening but fun....
Joe

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I never did much more than services on the V8.
Now the Triumph 6, that was a different matter altogether. There wasn't much that I didn't do to those. I used to cut the ports, then test them on my flow rig. The heads were cheap to get at the time, so I was able flow them and section them to check for thickness to water ways afterwards.
I did a couple of 2.8L Triumph 6s too, using cranks out of the TR6 but with oversized bores. Those engines would make a not to shabby 200 Bhp and still remain drivable round town.
All history now as I left the engine building scene back in 99 when I moved to the South West.

Hi Nodge, I didn't realise the C27a was not an earlier version of the KV6 - interesting.
I believe that (supposedly) the Pond Vitesse was fitted with modified struts only - HOWEVER - the local traffic cops and also the armed response units (who were mates of mine) used a manual box special version of the vitesse 2.7 around that time. It was definitely modified from the 'public' version - it was certainly lighter (A hell of a lot of trim and weight was removed) and reportedly (by the cops) had been fairly well 'breathed on' in most departments - engine - suspension - brakes etc.
So, quite possibly Tony's car was 'production' but not 'public' production
Ref the tr6 and 200 Brake - amazing - it was actually incredible what sort of power outputs were being produced in the 70's and 80's. We had an A series demo at 'mini sport' - 1400 cc mini with 100 at the wheels - and still driveable - more or less. My Chevette had to be changed to single cam with the modded road rally regs in the early 80's that banned twin cams and more than 2 choke inlets. the Vauxhall 2.3 lump with Blydenstein head and cam - and twin 2" SU carbs produced 180 at the wheels - again still driveable. Coupled to a getrag box and G4 axle with LSD it was a total beast. (once you learned to tame the under-steer due to the weight of the VX2.3 !) Huge amounts of negative camber from the G4 cross-member and Avon Turbo Speed tyres were the order of the day.
As for sunbeams which i think (in lotus body trim) are one of the best looking cars made - when the regs banned twin cams we fitted the 2 ltr talbot engine with suitable head and cam, standard mods like flywheel skimming etc - on either split dcoes (using one choke from each carb to avoid flow biasing to the inner cylinders) or Strombergs - (the suspension and brakes were pretty 'normal' rally stuff - along with seam welding and strengthening) - they were incredibly quick and handled beautifully. There is something truly magical about pre 80's modified rear wheel drive vehicles on road or stage, not exceptionally quick by modern standards but totally memorising to watch. You can't beat the smell of Castrol R and burning rubber along with the deafening noise of the cr&p hitting the sump guard and underbody...
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I think I might have a few years on you (11 if the 68 is birth date lol) I stopped the paid mechanical work in 1982 and continued to do it as a hobby whilst I still had the rally cars.
I have been to the IOM twice only and both times on business for the health service. Due to limited flights and short meetings we had more or less the whole day(s) to ourselves. The local health service gave us a pool car to use and my partner was well into the TT stuff and went every year - so I got full tours of the circuits - excellent stuff. Not really into bikes, but would have loved to have been at the Manx rallies in the days of Pond, Jimmy McRae and Russel Brooks etc. All I managed was copies of the videos and in car stuff...