Marmite, Br#xit or Low Traffic Neighborhoods

I wonder which of the three will be dubbed the most divisive in years to come? We have recently been hit with No. 3 and the division between the for and against camps is splitting what was once a pretty chilled and relaxed multi wotsit community not even down the middle. A rough estimate would be about an 80%/20% split against the 18 month trial. Just this afternoon I heard some heckling aimed at a couple on their super fandango cargo bikes who were almost gloating at their free pass through some planters put there to stop vehicles making there way around the neighbourhood. I can only imagine it’s going to get a lot worse when the schools go back and the nights draw in. As far as the landie is concerned it is once again stick or twist time. The roads we are funnelled to are choked up much of the time, comes from building houses but not infrastructure, and on our last two outings she is not liking it all. Stuck in first for quite a while, in and out of second and we even had the engine off at times but when traffic is crawling up and down hills she gets hot pretty quickly. We went into low drive yesterday which is sort of handy but not good for the soul. Apparently ULEZ and congestion charging is on its way. Actually that will be five things then.

Landy's are pretty good at moving heavy items. Make gap just wide enough for series and the fat mercs not to fit. There are many issues us natives need to be revolting about.
Some national park person decided to plant a large post in the entrance of a track I often use to access part of my property, It was not there long.

Well in a series you're almost certainly old enough to be exempt the ULEZ, even my 110 will be in April 2025.

Military parlance 3/4 gears are a luxury. You had to have a separate pass certificate to attach to the military licence. Specialist Driver form 7a section c. Would the new vehicles able to cope driving at low speed. Don't forget they are meant to compensate for petrol driven. If the council's are that arsed about pollution, then no owner be allowed have a car on a house block estate. Ltn are a compromise that serves no purpose except for the odd bleeding heart brigade to wet dream over.
Granted old housing stock like in many industrial cities or towns were developed for the closeness to the work environment. Today we industrial estates several miles away yet transport to cover shifts are non existent. I know been there done that for decades and still no word of transport improvement
If the ltn purpose is to get people moving from house to main roads why should house owners pay for repairs through council tax, when 99% of the time you do not benefit from the expensive trek for you or your elderly people to walk around on pathways. The main road near to me called the Broadway a bus stop used be able to get me from Manchester to Oldham Rochdale Ashton under lyne beyond by bus. Now none even though more people live here a new houses built.
Now working nights I have to walk a mile to catch regular service, if not on strike already or wait until an hour ensuring that I'm in the call times from the agency. Forgetting metro stations here pointless.
This is a major city.
Until then, when we have complete morons in the councils who cannot have orgasmic crescendo every time a brainless wit with medical issues. We suffer and wait.

Scalleys Dad said:

I wonder which of the three will be dubbed the most divisive in years to come? We have recently been hit with No. 3 and the division between the for and against camps is splitting what was once a pretty chilled and relaxed multi wotsit community not even down the middle. A rough estimate would be about an 80%/20% split against the 18 month trial. Just this afternoon I heard some heckling aimed at a couple on their super fandango cargo bikes who were almost gloating at their free pass through some planters put there to stop vehicles making there way around the neighbourhood. I can only imagine it’s going to get a lot worse when the schools go back and the nights draw in. As far as the landie is concerned it is once again stick or twist time. The roads we are funnelled to are choked up much of the time, comes from building houses but not infrastructure, and on our last two outings she is not liking it all. Stuck in first for quite a while, in and out of second and we even had the engine off at times but when traffic is crawling up and down hills she gets hot pretty quickly. We went into low drive yesterday which is sort of handy but not good for the soul. Apparently ULEZ and congestion charging is on its way. Actually that will be five things then.

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If it is a trial, and there is 80% opposition, it may not come in at the end of the trial. But I wouldn't bank on it.

The bad news is, you will be in for some kind of ULEZ scheme shortly. They are working their way down urban areas is terms of population, Exeter is quite a small city, but in Bristol, the scheme is active already.

I don't know your financial circumstances, but if extra costs are going to be a problem for you, you might want to consider selling your motor now, and getting a compliant car.

TheQ said:

Well in a series you're almost certainly old enough to be exempt the ULEZ, even my 110 will be in April 2025.

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Didn't know he had a Series. In that case, he can ignore the last bit of the above^^^^^^^.

Turboman said:

Didn't know he had a Series. In that case, he can ignore the last bit of the above^^^^^^^.

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She, it, thing is an Historic vehicle, 1972, according to my paperwork so hopefully/thankfully ULEZ charge exempt.
I think there is going to be a lot of angst over the first six months of the trial when all avenues of consultation are supposedly open and yet already emails were not accepted for a couple of weeks but now there are and the phone number has gone automated. A drunken gathering in a brewery springs to mind.

Had I known all this was coming so soon, I wouldn't have bought my Series 3, never mind wasted all the time and money rebuilding it.

While it is exempt for now, the rules will only get worse. I don't want to end up stuck with something completely worthless that I can't sell.

Webley1991 said:

Had I known all this was coming so soon, I wouldn't have bought my Series 3, never mind wasted all the time and money rebuilding it.

While it is exempt for now, the rules will only get worse. I don't want to end up stuck with something completely worthless that I can't sell.

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I doubt it will get worse. It's a case of diminishing returns, once the general populace is forced out of their non qualifying cars there'll be so few non qualifying cars left for them to make money from they'll stop and find something else to tax.

Someone has to pay for all the free travel.

Webley1991 said:

Had I known all this was coming so soon, I wouldn't have bought my Series 3, never mind wasted all the time and money rebuilding it.

While it is exempt for now, the rules will only get worse. I don't want to end up stuck with something completely worthless that I can't sell.

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Historic exemption is on the statute book now. And they will struggle to remove ULEZ exemption for historic, as it will prevent London to Brighton run.

Loosely connected to the LTN evolves into ULEZ chat has anybody seen the story of a tank being driven around central London. It’s was a 1960’s tank/apc and the owner used the historic vehicle tag to do it. It would be the makings of a classic comedy sketch if those that needed to travel in and out regularly, tradesman for example, went out and brought up all the forty year old plus vehicles simply to carry on working. ‘Yeh you need Dave the plumber, drives around in a mark one, purple Capri‘. It might be worth it just to be able to wave at the cameras as they drove past.

Scalleys Dad said:

Loosely connected to the LTN evolves into ULEZ chat has anybody seen the story of a tank being driven around central London. It’s was a 1960’s tank/apc and the owner used the historic vehicle tag to do it. It would be the makings of a classic comedy sketch if those that needed to travel in and out regularly, tradesman for example, went out and brought up all the forty year old plus vehicles simply to carry on working. ‘Yeh you need Dave the plumber, drives around in a mark one, purple Capri‘. It might be worth it just to be able to wave at the cameras as they drove past.

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You joke but I flippantly made this comment in a senior meeting about our work vehicles (delivery company) and we would be better off just buying up every 70's transit around and continuing as normal rather than looking at bicycle couriers and electric vans. Every one paused to think about it and you could see were about to discuss it as a serious option proposal before I pointed out that I was joking.

dag019 said:

You joke but I flippantly made this comment in a senior meeting about our work vehicles (delivery company) and we would be better off just buying up every 70's transit around and continuing as normal rather than looking at bicycle couriers and electric vans. Every one paused to think about it and you could see were about to discuss it as a serious option proposal before I pointed out that I was joking.

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I have seen a few local businesses using classic Morris Minor and Ford vans so some are doing that. With the prices of modern vans, a classic is probably cheaper.

According to the TFL site, a vehicle used commercially has to be built before 1973 to be exempt. See below.

All vehicles that have a historic vehicle tax class are exempt from the ULEZ. This tax class excludes any vehicle used commercially (for example, coffee vans or street food vans).

In line with the existing LEZ discount all vehicles constructed before 1 January 1973 are exempt from the ULEZ, regardless of commercial use or otherwise.

Webley1991 said:

I have seen a few local businesses using classic Morris Minor and Ford vans so some are doing that. With the prices of modern vans, a classic is probably cheaper.

According to the TFL site, a vehicle used commercially has to be built before 1973 to be exempt. See below.

All vehicles that have a historic vehicle tax class are exempt from the ULEZ. This tax class excludes any vehicle used commercially (for example, coffee vans or street food vans).

In line with the existing LEZ discount all vehicles constructed before 1 January 1973 are exempt from the ULEZ, regardless of commercial use or otherwise.

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I worked with a guy that used to work in the GPO rebuild centre, a Morris 1000 van would go in be stripped totally all the bits where reconditioned like engine gearbox ect body repaired and resprayed, if they had carried on doing that it would be easy but other than land rovers when was the last time you saw a tax exempt smallish van?

I have seen a couple of really nice Morris vans pottering around and an Anglia used by a window cleaner but you are right, far more 109’s about. I guess a business plan to trawl the internet for vehicles registered pre 1973 would fall foul of the ruling if too much reconditioning/modernising was undertaken.