Mad LWB disco idea (Now ultimate overlanding disco thread of rubbish

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Shippers said:
NO bloody NO you can weld/bolt what you like to the chassis within reason of course but you cant add a body to it as thats structually altering the design of the vehicles which after engineering are crash tested...dont you get it there is no way round this you cant alter a chassis without following the regs...
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I think OP is allowing "I want it" to overcome "It's OK/possible"
He SERIOUSLY needs to join a Landy club preferably one that specialises in modifying, before going much further.
If he tries to p!ss all over the regs he'll eventually come a real cropper. :(:(:(
 
Shippers said:
NO bloody NO you can weld/bolt what you like to the chassis within reason of course but you cant add a body to it as thats structually altering the design of the vehicles which after engineering are crash tested...dont you get it there is no way round this you cant alter a chassis without following the regs...
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At the end of the day he can do what the fuck he likes.
But it all has to get past IVA and they are the final arbiters.
I think he is trying to avoid that and that is an absolute fucking minefield. huge risks involved if he tries to insure it and then has an accident etc.
I'd never do it, personally.
 
Yeah, all mods will be declared. I might even find a very fussy insurer just to make sure they know what theyre insuring. I just want to avoid the IVA stuff due to time and cost, as well as if it is wrong and then it has to go back and fourth alot, then it could get stupidly expensive and time consuming. I also want to be able to put a private numberplate on it, which of course I cant do with a Q plate
 
Stanleysteamer said:
At the end of the day he can do what the fuck he likes.
But it all has to get past IVA and they are the final arbiters.
I think he is trying to avoid that and that is an absolute fucking minefield. huge risks involved if he tries to insure it and then has an accident etc.
I'd never do it, personally.
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Already said that...
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
Hmm. Quick question, are all 110 chassis the same? (Hi cap, SW, double cab, single cab, etc)
Strange rover looks good. I like. Looks like RRC front wings?
Insurance is a box ticking matter. It is. I was asking about the DVLA because I havnt the faintest idea how their office situation works, I thought they might have an office for say, all the most popular things, say 1 for stolen cars, 1 for insurance wright offs, 1 for classic/kit car questions ect, and within that office there might be a dude/dudette who is the kit car guy, an LR guy, and probably a few other people for the FAQ cars. But thats just a stab in the dark.
And yeah, welding mate, if his welds are strong enough for a rust repair, then Im sure theyll suffice. Hes a fully qualified engineer who fixes big oil rigs and has 3 LRs himself (110 td5, '94 rrc, '04 d2 v8) but unsupprisingly he doesnt really want to cut his up.
The idea for the project was mine, he thinks its a good idea, we agree it can be done in a safe/high quality/functional way, but if in needs to be IVAed and get a Q-plate then its going to take ages and ages and frankly I/we cant be bothered. It needs to go together and then be ready to go, not be completed and then take the best part of a year to actually get it registered etc. Also it will loose tax exemption. I should also include that Im going to be studying engineering physics and am not a deluded idiot who wriggled out of a straight jacket. And its not a mickey mouse uni, I got 7A*s and 3As at GCSE (which were pre covid, so real exams)
Thats not to brag! Ill be the first to admit that Ive got the least bit of experience and very few tools. I just want to see if theres any way to meet/twist the rules to not have to go through IVA before buying a load of tools and a lot of bits of Land rovers. I really do want to give this sort of thing a go, so Im trying every angle I can think of, and so far it seems that its all a dead no. Which is a shame, but Ill always be back when I get another idea
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This tells us all a lot about you.
To the point where I am nearly "out".
If you come on here asking questions then give us a load of guff trying to tell us we don't know what we are fucking talking about then you'll rapidly find yourself out in the cold.
We are trying to keep you in the realms of what is practicable, legal and safe.
Take that on board or else feck off with your weldery mate and do what you want to do.
You'll be sorry in the end that you have turned down the considered opinions and experience of a ton of peeps on here.
:(:(:(
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Yeah!
That'll be a laugh!!:D:D:D:D
I in the past have had to insure cars at Lloyds.
I'd be very interested in the premiums. Not saying it's impossible mind, you can, at the end of the day, insure anything.;):rolleyes:
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Yeh at the end of the day I could provide an mot and insurance certificate from here in Portugal...but it is what it is at the end of the day...
 
No no, big misunderstanding! Im not saying you guys are wrong at all, Im just trying to find a loophole, or a way of making an extended disco without a Q plate. Now I dont think Ive given repeat suggestions (other than to further explain the original idea) because when you say "no, it wont line up" or "no, thats not legal" etc, I do take it onboard, and then look for a way to wiggle around it
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
ust trying to find a loophole, or a way of making an extended disco without a Q plate.
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You cant and wont did you read the 6 wheel discovery build I told you about...there is also the 5th wheel Navy gov built Disco camper build that was north of 250k you might like to check them out...
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
No no, big misunderstanding! Im not saying you guys are wrong at all, Im just trying to find a loophole, or a way of making an extended disco without a Q plate. Now I dont think Ive given repeat suggestions (other than to further explain the original idea) because when you say "no, it wont line up" or "no, thats not legal" etc, I do take it onboard, and then look for a way to wiggle around it
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And the words "loophole" and "wiggle around it" are what label you.
I'm going to be totally straight with you, as a person who worked for years with students of 16-18. I get where you are coming from, you are obviously intelligent, and you will probably go far.
I have met hundreds like you. Some were arrogant tw@ts who never listen and thought that whatever success they achieved had been totally down to their own efforts.
Others were shy and massively lacked confidence. Most were in the middle though.
I worked with all of them and helped them achieve the best they could, I have even written books about what students like them need to do to get into top unis. So please believe me when I say we have your best outcomes in mind.
I strongly suggest you get onto Gov.uk and read all there is to read about what you can and can't do under construction and use regs to build a car. Cos at the end of the day, that is what you are doing.
See
https://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/threads/avoiding-a-q-plate.343649/
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=30&t=669125
 
I thought adding a 3rd axle was very different to rebodying a defender.
Also, £250,000 on a camper - what did they do, park it next to a house?
There is also a disco single cab on a defender 130 chassis, although I think that might be in ireland. Rep or NI, not sure. Do the front 4 body mounts line up?
Also, when they put trays on pickups, I presume theyre welding or bolting onto the chassis, but they dont need IVAing?
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
I thought adding a 3rd axle was very different to rebodying a defender.
Also, £250,000 on a camper - what did they do, park it next to a house?
There is also a disco single cab on a defender 130 chassis, although I think that might be in ireland. Rep or NI, not sure. Do the front 4 body mounts line up?
Also, when they put trays on pickups, I presume theyre welding or bolting onto the chassis, but they dont need IVAing?
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Jesus you just dont get it do you...putting a tray back on a chassis means you build it to the chassis not modify the chassis to fit the tray back/pick-up you wally...the Navy build I mentioned was built by LR special vehicals section and outside builders but still had to conform to regs..
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
Stanleysteamer, thanks. Ill have a read and consider my options. Might be quiet for a few weeks, very busy at the moment. I always find a way ;)
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There always is a way, the Rod and Custom guys really know this, next come the Kit Car peeps and then the modifying guys.
If you haven't heard of Andy Saunders, have a look at this.
https://www.andysaunders.net/
He, amazingly, runs my MOT testing place and I have known him for decades. He knows absolutely all there is to know about building cars and getting them road legal.
I'll be seeing him next week so I'll put some of these questions of yours to him and see what he thinks. In between trying to flog the wife's Porsche Speedster copy to him for his girlfriend!
He tells me that the Rod and Custom guys are all trying to buy up London Taxis as they still run on a chassis and that makes rodding them easier. He has had a Riley RME in his place for ages which does have a chassis and which he is doing something with. Lord knows what!
All of which tells me that getting and keeping a standard chassis is going to be your first job, the rest will then follow on.
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
Okay, so how is mounting a tray any different to mounting a body? I dont get it
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Because the body is already legal to the chassis...a lot of traybacks go on trailers to events and p&p they dont drive there...my imp was towed on a trailer to hill climb days...
 
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