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On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]] wrote
in message <IZ%[email protected]>

> I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for "Exchange
> Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been subject to numerous
> complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading standards and "starred" in a
> recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.


I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've done
something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.

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On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "PDannyD"
wrote:

> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]] wrote
> in message <IZ%[email protected]>
>
> > I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for "Exchange
> > Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been subject to numerous
> > complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading standards and "starred" in a
> > recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.

>
> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've done
> something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.


And how recent was the Watch Dog programme? There's a point at which
it's not practical to pull an advert.

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:11:49 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
("David G. Bell") scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "PDannyD"
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]] wrote
>> in message <IZ%[email protected]>
>>
>> > I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for "Exchange
>> > Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been subject to numerous
>> > complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading standards and "starred" in a
>> > recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.

>>
>> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've done
>> something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.

>
>And how recent was the Watch Dog programme? There's a point at which
>it's not practical to pull an advert.


would guess on a two week lead time from proofs to print, and given
that the April issues come out at the end of Feb....... Means the
april issue has to be completed by very early feb at latest!
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In message <[email protected]>
Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:11:49 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
> ("David G. Bell") scribbled the following nonsense:
>
> >On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "PDannyD"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]] wrote
> >> in message <IZ%[email protected]>
> >>
> >> > I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for "Exchange
> >> > Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been subject to numerous
> >> > complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading standards and "starred" in a
> >> > recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.
> >>
> >> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've done
> >> something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.

> >
> >And how recent was the Watch Dog programme? There's a point at which
> >it's not practical to pull an advert.

>
> would guess on a two week lead time from proofs to print, and given
> that the April issues come out at the end of Feb....... Means the
> april issue has to be completed by very early feb at latest!


Nearer 2 months that mag quoted us.

Richard

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On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:09:23 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:11:49 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
>("David G. Bell") scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>>On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
>> [email protected] "PDannyD"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]] wrote
>>> in message <IZ%[email protected]>
>>>
>>> > I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for "Exchange
>>> > Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been subject to numerous
>>> > complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading standards and "starred" in a
>>> > recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.
>>>
>>> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've done
>>> something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.

>>
>>And how recent was the Watch Dog programme? There's a point at which
>>it's not practical to pull an advert.

>
>would guess on a two week lead time from proofs to print, and given
>that the April issues come out at the end of Feb....... Means the
>april issue has to be completed by very early feb at latest!


some magazines have a copy date about 2 months in advance - we advertise in
'em, so I should know. The magazines are all printed well before the
general availability date and the "March" issue is often on sale some time
in the end of February, and presumably potentially on sale for almost a
month if stocks don't run out. I wouldn't be surprised if the cut-off for
emergency ad-removal was more than a fortnight.

Also, you have to look at the risks - There would have to be clear-cut and
unarguable evidence against a company for the magazine to risk pulling the
ad - "many complaints" is not that, nor is Watchdog: I've seen the
"trial-by-television" thing in action and quite frankly, they take a good
deal more on themselves sometimes than they've any right to. There was a
case some while back of a woman who, by her testimony, had been landed in
the fuvg looking after a dog breeding enterprise, she wasn't able to fund it
and the owner had ****ed off, or somesuch, and she was doing the best she
was able. The T-b-T lot arrived with all cameras blazing and proceeded to
portray her as a criminal, trespass on private property, ignore direct and
clear requests not to enter buildings and not to film there, and so on.

Now of course, the woman could be as guilty as all get out, I don't know,
and didn't at the time. The point is, neither did the T-b-T mob - they
assumed her guilt, shouted her down and ignored any protest. If she was
guilty, there's an established procedure called the legal system by which
she should be tried...


Coming back to the point: Suppose Exchange Engines supply 30 engines a
month, and have 20 valid complaints, to which their response was "tough
tit". In that case, they're fairly obviously incompetent and should indeed
be looked into by trading standards. Suppose however they supply 350
engines per month and still have 20 complaints which they deal with
reasonably. Not right, but that doesn't make them villains - it probably
means they should improve their quality control.

But the T-b-T mob wouldn't care about the latter scenario, doesn't make good
telly.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Here is the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/reports/transport/transport_20060207.shtml

I've posted it at the bottom as well so I don't get accused of top posting.
I could be accused of top and bottom posting though. I considered middle
posting but decided against it.



"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:09:23 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:11:49 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
>>("David G. Bell") scribbled the following nonsense:
>>
>>>On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
>>> [email protected] "PDannyD"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]]
>>>> wrote
>>>> in message <IZ%[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>> > I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for
>>>> > "Exchange
>>>> > Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been subject to
>>>> > numerous
>>>> > complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading standards and "starred" in
>>>> > a
>>>> > recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.
>>>>
>>>> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've done
>>>> something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.
>>>
>>>And how recent was the Watch Dog programme? There's a point at which
>>>it's not practical to pull an advert.

>>
>>would guess on a two week lead time from proofs to print, and given
>>that the April issues come out at the end of Feb....... Means the
>>april issue has to be completed by very early feb at latest!

>
> some magazines have a copy date about 2 months in advance - we advertise
> in
> 'em, so I should know. The magazines are all printed well before the
> general availability date and the "March" issue is often on sale some time
> in the end of February, and presumably potentially on sale for almost a
> month if stocks don't run out. I wouldn't be surprised if the cut-off for
> emergency ad-removal was more than a fortnight.
>
> Also, you have to look at the risks - There would have to be clear-cut and
> unarguable evidence against a company for the magazine to risk pulling the
> ad - "many complaints" is not that, nor is Watchdog: I've seen the
> "trial-by-television" thing in action and quite frankly, they take a good
> deal more on themselves sometimes than they've any right to. There was a
> case some while back of a woman who, by her testimony, had been landed in
> the fuvg looking after a dog breeding enterprise, she wasn't able to fund
> it
> and the owner had ****ed off, or somesuch, and she was doing the best she
> was able. The T-b-T lot arrived with all cameras blazing and proceeded to
> portray her as a criminal, trespass on private property, ignore direct and
> clear requests not to enter buildings and not to film there, and so on.
>
> Now of course, the woman could be as guilty as all get out, I don't know,
> and didn't at the time. The point is, neither did the T-b-T mob - they
> assumed her guilt, shouted her down and ignored any protest. If she was
> guilty, there's an established procedure called the legal system by which
> she should be tried...
>
>
> Coming back to the point: Suppose Exchange Engines supply 30 engines a
> month, and have 20 valid complaints, to which their response was "tough
> tit". In that case, they're fairly obviously incompetent and should
> indeed
> be looked into by trading standards. Suppose however they supply 350
> engines per month and still have 20 complaints which they deal with
> reasonably. Not right, but that doesn't make them villains - it probably
> means they should improve their quality control.
>
> But the T-b-T mob wouldn't care about the latter scenario, doesn't make
> good
> telly.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
> face by frightening people in the street.
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.


Here is the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/reports/transport/transport_20060207.shtml


 
Received this from LRM

Dear Ian
Thank you for pointing us to the watchdog site we have had some company's
who do recon engines in the past who we have had complaints about and have
stopped the ads but we have had no complaints about "Exchange Engines" to
date but we will follow this up thanks again



Kind Regards
Nick King
Land Rover Monthly
Advertising Sales Manager

"Doorbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here is the link.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/reports/transport/transport_20060207.shtml
>
> I've posted it at the bottom as well so I don't get accused of top
> posting. I could be accused of top and bottom posting though. I considered
> middle posting but decided against it.
>
>
>
> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:09:23 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:11:49 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
>>>("David G. Bell") scribbled the following nonsense:
>>>
>>>>On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
>>>> [email protected] "PDannyD"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]]
>>>>> wrote
>>>>> in message <IZ%[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>> > I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for
>>>>> > "Exchange
>>>>> > Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been subject to
>>>>> > numerous
>>>>> > complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading standards and "starred" in
>>>>> > a
>>>>> > recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've
>>>>> done
>>>>> something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.
>>>>
>>>>And how recent was the Watch Dog programme? There's a point at which
>>>>it's not practical to pull an advert.
>>>
>>>would guess on a two week lead time from proofs to print, and given
>>>that the April issues come out at the end of Feb....... Means the
>>>april issue has to be completed by very early feb at latest!

>>
>> some magazines have a copy date about 2 months in advance - we advertise
>> in
>> 'em, so I should know. The magazines are all printed well before the
>> general availability date and the "March" issue is often on sale some
>> time
>> in the end of February, and presumably potentially on sale for almost a
>> month if stocks don't run out. I wouldn't be surprised if the cut-off
>> for
>> emergency ad-removal was more than a fortnight.
>>
>> Also, you have to look at the risks - There would have to be clear-cut
>> and
>> unarguable evidence against a company for the magazine to risk pulling
>> the
>> ad - "many complaints" is not that, nor is Watchdog: I've seen the
>> "trial-by-television" thing in action and quite frankly, they take a good
>> deal more on themselves sometimes than they've any right to. There was a
>> case some while back of a woman who, by her testimony, had been landed in
>> the fuvg looking after a dog breeding enterprise, she wasn't able to fund
>> it
>> and the owner had ****ed off, or somesuch, and she was doing the best she
>> was able. The T-b-T lot arrived with all cameras blazing and proceeded
>> to
>> portray her as a criminal, trespass on private property, ignore direct
>> and
>> clear requests not to enter buildings and not to film there, and so on.
>>
>> Now of course, the woman could be as guilty as all get out, I don't know,
>> and didn't at the time. The point is, neither did the T-b-T mob - they
>> assumed her guilt, shouted her down and ignored any protest. If she was
>> guilty, there's an established procedure called the legal system by which
>> she should be tried...
>>
>>
>> Coming back to the point: Suppose Exchange Engines supply 30 engines a
>> month, and have 20 valid complaints, to which their response was "tough
>> tit". In that case, they're fairly obviously incompetent and should
>> indeed
>> be looked into by trading standards. Suppose however they supply 350
>> engines per month and still have 20 complaints which they deal with
>> reasonably. Not right, but that doesn't make them villains - it probably
>> means they should improve their quality control.
>>
>> But the T-b-T mob wouldn't care about the latter scenario, doesn't make
>> good
>> telly.
>> --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
>> face by frightening people in the street.
>> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

>
> Here is the link.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/reports/transport/transport_20060207.shtml


Received this from LRM

Dear Ian
Thank you for pointing us to the watchdog site we have had some company's
who do recon engines in the past who we have had complaints about and have
stopped the ads but we have had no complaints about "Exchange Engines" to
date but we will follow this up thanks again



Kind Regards
Nick King
Land Rover Monthly
Advertising Sales Manager

>
>



 
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:57:36 GMT, "Doorbell"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Received this from LRM

<snip>
>
>Kind Regards
>Nick King
>Land Rover Monthly
>Advertising Sales Manager
>


Really missed his vocation.
Should have been a policeman.
Or a burglar.

David
 

"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:57:36 GMT, "Doorbell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Received this from LRM

> <snip>
>>
>>Kind Regards
>>Nick King
>>Land Rover Monthly
>>Advertising Sales Manager
>>

>
> Really missed his vocation.
> Should have been a policeman.
> Or a burglar.
>
> David


I am not a policeman or a burglar (???). I do however, object strongly to
rip-off merchants.

Having read the replies to this post I shall keep my opinions to myself.


 
On 2006-03-10, rads <[email protected]> wrote:

> Should have been a policeman.
> Or a burglar.


Or a porn star ("nickerless king").

Fnarr fnarr!

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On 2006-03-10, Doorbell <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am not a policeman or a burglar (???). I do however, object strongly to
> rip-off merchants.


He was cracking a gag about the name "Nick King", don't worry,
everyone's not out to get you.

--
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....and Austin Shackles spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> Also, you have to look at the risks - There would have to be
> clear-cut and unarguable evidence against a company for the magazine
> to risk pulling the ad - "many complaints" is not that, nor is
> Watchdog:


We would have pulled the ad, no question - we've done it before on less
evidence than this - pending discussion, and hopefully a resolution, with
the advertiser. A publication has a responsibility to its readers not to
knowingly publish ads from dodgy outfits. Mind you, our lead times are
measured in days, not weeks, so it would be quite easy to do, possibly
without interrupting an advert's run if it all checked out OK.

--
Rich
==============================

There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.


 
....and PDannyD spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]]
> wrote in message <IZ%[email protected]>
>
>> I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for
>> "Exchange Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been
>> subject to numerous complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading
>> standards and "starred" in a recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.

>
> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've
> done something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.


The Watchdog programme was about a firm called Engines Direct, or Rivermead
Engineering. Are you sure this is the same outfit?

--
Rich
==============================

There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.


 

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ...and PDannyD spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>> On Thursday 09 March 2006 20:11, Doorbell [[email protected]]
>> wrote in message <IZ%[email protected]>
>>
>>> I was suprised to see an advert in LRM (Land Rover Monthly) for
>>> "Exchange Engines" (page 188 April 2006). This company has been
>>> subject to numerous complaints to Hounslow and Surrey trading
>>> standards and "starred" in a recent edition of BBC TV's Watch Dog.

>>
>> I'd guess they've paid for a set period of adverts. Unless they've
>> done something terribly wrong then their advert wont be pulled.

>
> The Watchdog programme was about a firm called Engines Direct, or
> Rivermead Engineering. Are you sure this is the same outfit?
>

From the advert on page 188, Land Rover Monthly 2006

Exchange Engines & Gearboxes
Rivermead Engineering, Unit 1 Twickenham Trading Estate, Rugby Road,
Twickenham TW1 1DQ
For Engines call: 020 8607 9060 For Man Gearboxes call: 020 8892 2828
Trade and Export Sales: 020 8744 2525
Online www.enginesdirect.com

Mike Rowan appears to be a director of Rivermead
www.cherrypicked.co.uk/testimonial.shtml

> --
> Rich
> ==============================
>
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
> and those who don't.
>



 

"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2006-03-10, Doorbell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I am not a policeman or a burglar (???). I do however, object strongly to
>> rip-off merchants.

>
> He was cracking a gag about the name "Nick King", don't worry,
> everyone's not out to get you.


"just because you're paranoid don't mean their not after you"

Go-on, £5 for anyone who knows the song it's *originally* from?

Nige


 

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ...and Austin Shackles spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>> Also, you have to look at the risks - There would have to be
>> clear-cut and unarguable evidence against a company for the magazine
>> to risk pulling the ad - "many complaints" is not that, nor is
>> Watchdog:

>
> We would have pulled the ad, no question - we've done it before on less
> evidence than this - pending discussion, and hopefully a resolution, with
> the advertiser. A publication has a responsibility to its readers not to
> knowingly publish ads from dodgy outfits. Mind you, our lead times are
> measured in days, not weeks, so it would be quite easy to do, possibly
> without interrupting an advert's run if it all checked out OK.
>
> --
> Rich


Exactly who are 'we' mate?


 
On or around Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:53:35 GMT, "Doorbell"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Here is the link.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/reports/transport/transport_20060207.shtml
>
>I've posted it at the bottom as well so I don't get accused of top posting.
>I could be accused of top and bottom posting though. I considered middle
>posting but decided against it.


I notice that the report refers to "engines direct" whereas your other
comments refer to "exchange engines" Which?

and BTW, you don't need to top-post as well. Snipping some of the garbage
would be nice, though.
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and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
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....and Nige spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> ...and Austin Shackles spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>>
>>> Also, you have to look at the risks - There would have to be
>>> clear-cut and unarguable evidence against a company for the magazine
>>> to risk pulling the ad - "many complaints" is not that, nor is
>>> Watchdog:

>>
>> We would have pulled the ad, no question - we've done it before on
>> less evidence than this - pending discussion, and hopefully a
>> resolution, with the advertiser. A publication has a responsibility
>> to its readers not to knowingly publish ads from dodgy outfits. Mind you,
>> our lead times are measured in days, not weeks, so it
>> would be quite easy to do, possibly without interrupting an advert's
>> run if it all checked out OK. --
>> Rich

>
> Exactly who are 'we' mate?


Friday-Ad - weekly advertising paper covering SE/Midlands/S Wales. We don't
come further North than Wakefield/Halifax, so you've probably never seen it.

We had a lot of trouble from a certain kitchen manufacturer recently - poor
customer service and they weren't answering their phones, so customers were
calling US to complain! We pulled the ads (and it hurt us, as they are big
customers of ours) until we had spoken to them and had some kind of
assurance from them as to future conduct. No complaints since.

Our copy deadlines are often Weds night or Thurs for publication on Friday,
so we don't have the ocean-tanker turnaround times of the glossies.

--
Rich
==============================

There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.


 
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