LR drivers ..... old farts ??

I must be getting to be Victor Meldrew or a totally intolerant old fart.
Just picked up son 3 from his minature railway job and in the 8 miles it
took to drive there and back, every yobbo seemed to crawl out of the
woodwork.

muppet in a Corset tried to overtake on a hill then 100m later turns right
idiot on a hill a metre behind
on a traffic island idiot indicates to turn off and keeps going
up a hill with right of way on my side as well, idiot tries to keep going
down hill and top me on the hill ( no manners or appreciation of RoW )

etc etc etc

The flicky orange things on new cars seem to be redundant.

Never mind LR voted safest on the road ( need to be )

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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:12:48 GMT, "Hirsty's" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I must be getting to be Victor Meldrew or a totally intolerant old fart.
>Just picked up son 3 from his minature railway job and in the 8 miles it
>took to drive there and back, every yobbo seemed to crawl out of the
>woodwork.
>
>muppet in a Corset tried to overtake on a hill then 100m later turns right
>idiot on a hill a metre behind
>on a traffic island idiot indicates to turn off and keeps going
>up a hill with right of way on my side as well, idiot tries to keep going
>down hill and top me on the hill ( no manners or appreciation of RoW )
>
>etc etc etc
>
>The flicky orange things on new cars seem to be redundant.
>
>Never mind LR voted safest on the road ( need to be )

you want to try driving an ambulance with muppets like that on the
road!!

I was doing 85 with lights on & someone still decided to overtake,
then managed to get in the way on a sliproad to a roundabout because
he came to the junction too fast & ended up straddling both lanes....

I don't think it is the flicky orange things that are redundant, it is
the pinky grey squidgy things between the ears of the drivers.

D

> I don't think it is the flicky orange things that are redundant, it is
> the pinky grey squidgy things between the ears of the drivers.
>
> D


Definately + the need to be a Kamikazi

Hirsty's wrote:
> I must be getting to be Victor Meldrew or a totally intolerant old
> fart. Just picked up son 3 from his minature railway job and in the 8
> miles it took to drive there and back, every yobbo seemed to crawl
> out of the woodwork.
>
> muppet in a Corset tried to overtake on a hill then 100m later turns
> right idiot on a hill a metre behind
> on a traffic island idiot indicates to turn off and keeps going
> up a hill with right of way on my side as well, idiot tries to keep
> going down hill and top me on the hill ( no manners or appreciation
> of RoW )
>
> etc etc etc
>
> The flicky orange things on new cars seem to be redundant.
>
> Never mind LR voted safest on the road ( need to be )

I drive a hell of a lot, 99% is in my Impreza which is Silver. In this weather its dirty all the time, I
noticed folk pulling out on me & generally getting in my way. It took me a while to work it out but
basically a dirty silver car can be hard to see. I now drive with my lights on all day & have noticed a
major improvement in folk pulling out on me etc. Odd, but true.

But, in honesty the standard of driving these days is pathetic, knobjockeys in souped up chavwagons
charging around like lunatics, or the silly old ****s that should have given up driving years ago cause
havoc on the roads. Another serious bugbear of mine is lorry drivers, a lot of them couldnt give a ****
if they run you off the road as look at you. I drive a very safe & stable car with plenty of power & even
better brakes but I dont drive like a fecking nutter. I use the power available for safe overtaking & if
conditions are correct I like a nice run out in the country now & again.

There are too many ****ers in this country that think it's a right to go tearing up & down at 100mph just
going to the shops etc. W live adjacent to the most heavily speed camered road in the UK (Leeds Road,
Thackley) & you would not believe the speed some herberts drive on here at. There are 8 cameras in a
mile!

Nige

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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:12:48 GMT, "Hirsty's" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I must be getting to be Victor Meldrew or a totally intolerant old fart.
>Just picked up son 3 from his minature railway job and in the 8 miles it
>took to drive there and back, every yobbo seemed to crawl out of the
>woodwork.
>
>muppet in a Corset tried to overtake on a hill then 100m later turns right
>idiot on a hill a metre behind
>on a traffic island idiot indicates to turn off and keeps going
>up a hill with right of way on my side as well, idiot tries to keep going
>down hill and top me on the hill ( no manners or appreciation of RoW )
>
>etc etc etc
>
>The flicky orange things on new cars seem to be redundant.
>
>Never mind LR voted safest on the road ( need to be )

This afternoon I was overtaken by an oldish bloke in a Honda, doing
about 45-50. That was in a 30mph zone.

Half a mile later in a 60 limit I find him doing 30mph up a steep
hill, probably still in fifth gear and labouring away. As we level
out onto a downhill straight I overtake him, as he accelerates back to
60mph. If I hadn't overtaken so firmly I'd have found myself having
to abort the overtake.

The quality of driving is far worse at weekends - the motorways are
full of people who rarely drive on motorways and local roads are full
of chavs and drunks.
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On 2004-12-19, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

> I drive a hell of a lot, 99% is in my Impreza which is Silver. In
> this weather its dirty all the time, I noticed folk pulling out on
> me & generally getting in my way. It took me a while to work it out
> but basically a dirty silver car can be hard to see. I now drive
> with my lights on all day & have noticed a major improvement in folk
> pulling out on me etc. Odd, but true.

It might be the car, Imprezas have a reputation for either being
driven by hoodlums or of being sporty so you'll probably get hassle
from the modded nova drivers, Volvos and BMWs too.

When the plastic rocket was still on the road I used to get absurd
amounts of argy bargy with people of all ages and types. It's an old
Lotus Esprit which is worth far less than your average family car
these days (which is apparently about 16K, who the feck would spend
that kind of cash on a dull family runabout! And how can they afford
it!).

I've had hassle from the Nova, Volvo and BMW crowd including a Volvo
at lights in front of me caning it away spinning tyres, bashing over
speed bumps extremely hard down a residential street with parked cars
closed in on both sides, but the strangest one happened approaching a
blind bend on a small country road. I was tootling along slowly (very
bumpy, narrow road) and some old biddy was waiting to pull out of her
drive. When she saw me coming in my "flash" car (you should see it
close up, it's a mess!) she said something to her husband. When I got
close to her she jumped her car forward about three feet and laughed,
causing me to swerve onto the other side of the road to avoid her.
Right on a blind bend. I can still see her stupid face in my mind
four years later, I wish I'd gone back and punched it in.

> But, in honesty the standard of driving these days is pathetic,
> knobjockeys in souped up chavwagons charging around like lunatics,
> or the silly old ****s that should have given up driving years ago
> cause havoc on the roads.

Just recently when chugging around in the beaten-up old diesel Audi
that is my commute-wagon I started overtaking a lorry on a dual
carriageway when some twerp in a beemer came up behind me inches from
my rear bumper. He then starts making obscene gestures in the mirror,
motioning me to the side of the road and smacking his fist into his
other hand. Once I'd passed the truck I pulled in and he passed,
cutting me up then spent the rest of the journey at 30MPH about two
cars in front due to the heavy traffic. What's the point?

> Another serious bugbear of mine is lorry drivers, a lot of them
> couldnt give a **** if they run you off the road as look at you.

I drive the A303 regularly, there are frequent jams in the opposite
direction (phew!). On dual carriageways there's always some muppet
making it worse by pulling out into the second lane and stopping,
preventing people from using the other lane. Presumably they think
they're stopping people from "pushing in" but all they're really doing
is making the tailbacks worse which means people who are turning off
the carriageway have to wait even longer. Most of these people are
lorry drivers.

> I drive a very safe & stable car with plenty of power & even better
> brakes but I dont drive like a fecking nutter. I use the power
> available for safe overtaking & if conditions are correct I like a
> nice run out in the country now & again.

You can't overtake, it's rude! That seems to be the way people think.

I really shouldn't get involved in "driving standards" threads, I
could go on all night ;-)

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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:53:49 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I really shouldn't get involved in "driving standards" threads, I
>could go on all night ;-)

Well you've got me started now!

Liverpool city centre last Thursday evening. I think it must have been
late night shopping - because the traffic was twice as bad as usual.
This is how you drive at traffic lights: if the light changes to red
as you approach, go through anyway. It doesn't matter if there's
nowhere for you to go and you have to sit in a yellow hatched area
blocking the traffic coming from your right. Oh no, you just do what
you like matey. You're alright, s*d the rest of 'em.

I must have seen at least a dozen cars do it.

Judith

On 2004-12-19, Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:

> Never mind LR voted safest on the road ( need to be )

Are you thinking about the insurance company stats that stated that in
fatal accidents where the occupant of one car dies, the surviving
occupant is most often in a Defender? Personally I think this
illustrates that the Defender is the *least* safe vehicle on the road,
certainly for other people..

I drive a 110 commercial, no trim, no anti-roll suspension, every time
I've had to hit the brakes hard in that thing I've scared myself
silly, it's so dynamically unstable. My worst nightmare is hitting
the brakes while cornering, the empty back end with no weight on it
would overtake in a moment. On Top Gear maybe 6-9 months ago they did
a "moose test" with a classic range rover, a swerve left then right,
and it flipped over at 45MPH.. Mind you they did put a full roll cage
on it so that added weight up top.

I love my defender to bits but I treat it like a tank with nasty
spikes inside!

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Well I can only tell you that my wife agrees as she always seems to be
calling me an old fart.
Cheers
Stephen

Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>The quality of driving is far worse at weekends - the motorways are
>full of people who rarely drive on motorways and local roads are full
>of chavs and drunks.

Even worse during summer holiday...all those idiots who drive all day
1km from home and back again, once in the week 3km to a supermarket,
and then, once per year, their great day is coming - they enter a
motorway



regards - Ralph

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rOn or around Mon, 20 Dec 2004 00:01:19 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Top Gear maybe 6-9 months ago they did
>a "moose test" with a classic range rover, a swerve left then right,
>and it flipped over at 45MPH.

would that be the one where they deliberately provoked it into rolling over?
There was a certain amount of controversy at the time about it.

as to the 110, never noticed mine being that wild on the road, although
maybe it had more weight in the back being a CSW. Might be a tyres issue,
what tyres is yours on?

On 2004-12-20, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> would that be the one where they deliberately provoked it into rolling over?
> There was a certain amount of controversy at the time about it.

I'm not sure it needed much provoking, they described it as an
"emergency lane change", but even if they did exaggerate it, I
certainly wouldn't feel comfortable swerving around in my 110.

I ran into the back of a van a few months ago after he hit a car in
front of him and I was driving too close on a wet road. I knew what
was about to happen and thought about taking to the grass verge but
thought that driving onto a grass verge while braking would probably
provoke a spin, and swerving the other way would unsettle the truck
and take me into oncoming traffic so I just gritted my teeth and hung
on.

Wrecked the step and doors of his van and needed a new bumper on mine,
gawd these things are tough! He never claimed from me though,
probably just not worth it for commercial transport companies.

> as to the 110, never noticed mine being that wild on the road, although
> maybe it had more weight in the back being a CSW. Might be a tyres issue,
> what tyres is yours on?

Radial muds pumped up to 40, it's not so much the grip that worries me
(never had it slide), it's the way the thing throws the body around
due to the soft long-travel suspension. Does your CSW have anti-roll
bars in the suspension?

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> I love my defender to bits but I treat it like a tank with nasty
> spikes inside!
>

What was the old saying .... lies, damn lies and statistics .....

I tend to trundle along in mine as well, I never did trust someone elses
opinion. After all when (in my innocence ) I bought the 110 it was because
" they never rust" !!!

In message <[email protected]>, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> writes
>You can't overtake, it's rude! That seems to be the way people think.
No YOU can't, but they can!!
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Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

So Ian Rawlings was, like

> On 2004-12-19, Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Never mind LR voted safest on the road ( need to be )
>
> Are you thinking about the insurance company stats that stated that in
> fatal accidents where the occupant of one car dies, the surviving
> occupant is most often in a Defender? Personally I think this
> illustrates that the Defender is the *least* safe vehicle on the road,
> certainly for other people.

Another way of looking at this - you drive in the safest car for *you* and
let other drivers make their own choices. That's how I look at it, but I
have to say that I share your awareness of the problem and the need to drive
with consideration. I drive the RR pretty cautiously when there's traffic
around because a) I look at a Micra and think "I could drive right over that
and not even notice", and b) if there was an incident, I'd be at fault in
most people's eyes no matter what the circumstances, cos a P38, however old,
is perceived to be posh.

But I don't feel guilty for driving a 4x4.

--

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Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous

In news:[email protected],
Richard Brookman <[email protected]> blithered:
> So Ian Rawlings was, like
>
>> On 2004-12-19, Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind LR voted safest on the road ( need to be )
>>
>> Are you thinking about the insurance company stats that stated that
>> in fatal accidents where the occupant of one car dies, the surviving
>> occupant is most often in a Defender? Personally I think this
>> illustrates that the Defender is the *least* safe vehicle on the
>> road, certainly for other people.
>
> Another way of looking at this - you drive in the safest car for
> *you* and let other drivers make their own choices. That's how I
> look at it, but I have to say that I share your awareness of the
> problem and the need to drive with consideration. I drive the RR
> pretty cautiously when there's traffic around because a) I look at a
> Micra and think "I could drive right over that and not even notice",

Bugger to get out of the tread!


> and b) if there was an incident, I'd be at fault in most people's
> eyes no matter what the circumstances, cos a P38, however old, is
> perceived to be posh.
> But I don't feel guilty for driving a 4x4.



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maybe skydiving's not for you!

> I'm not sure it needed much provoking, they described it as an
> "emergency lane change",

Two years ago a family in a Honda saloon overtook me on the motorway. As he
signalled and pulled back in, some dork came out of the inside lane at him.
He saw it at the last minute and did an "emergency lane change." The Honda
slid towards the central res, overcorrected, and started to spin. When
facing the hard shoulder, the tyres bit and the car went from lane three to
lane one then across two lanes of the slip road before hitting the barrier.
It flipped upside down and skated on its roof back across two lanes of the
slip road, overtook me on its roof in lane one and finally came to a halt a
few yards in front of me. My wife was already in contact with the emergency
services before it had stopped moving. The family survived with fairly minor
injuries but it was an unpleasant experience for all involved.

The point is that anything may spin not just Landies.

TonyB

TB wrote:
>> I'm not sure it needed much provoking, they described it as an
>> "emergency lane change",
>
> Two years ago a family in a Honda saloon overtook me on the motorway.
> As he signalled and pulled back in, some dork came out of the inside
> lane at him. He saw it at the last minute and did an "emergency lane
> change." The Honda slid towards the central res, overcorrected, and
> started to spin. When facing the hard shoulder, the tyres bit and the
> car went from lane three to lane one then across two lanes of the
> slip road before hitting the barrier. It flipped upside down and
> skated on its roof back across two lanes of the slip road, overtook
> me on its roof in lane one and finally came to a halt a few yards in
> front of me. My wife was already in contact with the emergency
> services before it had stopped moving. The family survived with
> fairly minor injuries but it was an unpleasant experience for all
> involved.
>
> The point is that anything may spin not just Landies.
>
> TonyB

Thgis is very true. around 8 years ago I was driving north on the M1 around Jc31 (A57 i believe) in the
****ing down rain. I was in lane 3 doing a very sensible 50-65mph, all of a sudden a saw a big black
thing coming end to end down the motorway right at me. I got as far over onto the central reservation as
possible without hitting the armco. There was no way I could avoid it & it hit my car on the NSF quarter.
It was a propshaft from a truck that had fallen off (yes, really) & the truck was just going very slow as
I spun past it. It utterly destroyed 1/3 of my car & i was lucky it didnt hit me at my side on it's end.
A VERY scary incident & my car spun like a top for what seemed like miles (50 yards!) It was that bad it
sheared an alloy wheel on half & took the whole side right in by around 10-12"

Another time on the A1 in a Sapphire I lost both front tryes at the exact same time - that did spin as I
was going a tad over 70! Came to rest on the hard shoulder (near blyth services so is a motorway) facing
the right way unscathed!!!!

Nige

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On 2004-12-20, TB <[email protected]> wrote:

> The point is that anything may spin not just Landies.

Absolutely, but I don't think the Defender in particular would take
much provoking. I really ought to get around to finishing fitting
that rollover hoop on my canvas-topped 110!!

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On 2004-12-20, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

> Another time on the A1 in a Sapphire I lost both front tryes at the
> exact same time - that did spin as I was going a tad over 70! Came
> to rest on the hard shoulder (near blyth services so is a motorway)
> facing the right way unscathed!!!!

Scary stuff! I had a blowout on the front driver's side on my 110 at
80 MPH while overtaking a line of trucks on the M6. Not much drama as
I just held on tight to the steering wheel, came off the accelerator
slightly and pulled over ASAP to the hard shoulder (with a bit of
flashing and honking from the trucks). I dabbed the brake *a little*
when on the hard shoulder and the landy very violently lurched to the
right, I'm glad I've drummed it into my head that jamming on the
brakes in an emergency is often the worst thing to do!

Once I'd stopped I looked at the smoking tyre, there was a four-inch
sharp-edged slash in the tyre running straight from the wheel rim to
the beginning of the tread. My tyre sidewalls had been cut up all
over the place by off-roading in flint-peppered mud but I hadn't
really worried too much about it. Lesson learned.

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