long load in a SWB!

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Tom Woods

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I'm building a carport. Today i found that the local builders merchant
sell 2x4 timber in 16ft lengths.
I have a SWB landy, which is less than 16ft long in total!

They have offered to lend me a saw so i can shorten it, but i'd quite
like it in the full length since my carport is close to 16ft long.

Do you reckon that if i open my passenger side air vent I could poke a
few full lengths of 2x4 right through and out to the front of the
bonnet so that i only have a couple of foot of overhang?

Do people reckon that they will fit this way while resting on the top
of the bulkhead/rear tailgate? I dont mind doing a few loads (since
its less than a mile to my house)

Or should i remove the front of my rag and fold the screen down and do
it that way?

This had made me think what the longest load anybody has shifted in a
SWB is? :)
 
Tom Woods wrote:
> I'm building a carport. Today i found that the local builders merchant
> sell 2x4 timber in 16ft lengths.
> I have a SWB landy, which is less than 16ft long in total!
>
> They have offered to lend me a saw so i can shorten it, but i'd quite
> like it in the full length since my carport is close to 16ft long.
>
> Do you reckon that if i open my passenger side air vent I could poke a
> few full lengths of 2x4 right through and out to the front of the
> bonnet so that i only have a couple of foot of overhang?

Don't know about the series Landies, but my 90 has bug screens inside
those vents...
 
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:03:10 +0100, Torak <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Don't know about the series Landies, but my 90 has bug screens inside
>those vents...

theyre an optional extra on a 2A and i dont have them.
 
Tom Woods wrote:

> Do people reckon that they will fit this way while resting on the top
> of the bulkhead/rear tailgate? I dont mind doing a few loads (since
> its less than a mile to my house)
>
> Or should i remove the front of my rag and fold the screen down and do
> it that way?

Forget the vents.

Fold back the front section of the soft top.

Rest the timber on the top of the windscreen frame at the front and on
the rear body capping at the rear.

You'll have to tie it on, of course.
 

Tom Woods wrote:
> I'm building a carport. Today i found that the local builders merchant
> sell 2x4 timber in 16ft lengths.
> I have a SWB landy, which is less than 16ft long in total!
>
> They have offered to lend me a saw so i can shorten it, but i'd quite
> like it in the full length since my carport is close to 16ft long.
>
> Do you reckon that if i open my passenger side air vent I could poke a
> few full lengths of 2x4 right through and out to the front of the
> bonnet so that i only have a couple of foot of overhang?
>
> Do people reckon that they will fit this way while resting on the top
> of the bulkhead/rear tailgate? I dont mind doing a few loads (since
> its less than a mile to my house)
>
> Or should i remove the front of my rag and fold the screen down and do
> it that way?
>
> This had made me think what the longest load anybody has shifted in a
> SWB is? :)


sounds to me like you need a roofrack m8 the longest thing I've had on
mine is a pair of pretty long ladders but in your situation I would
probably go for dropping the windscreen!!

 
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:08:49 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Forget the vents.
>
>Fold back the front section of the soft top.
>
>Rest the timber on the top of the windscreen frame at the front and on
>the rear body capping at the rear.
>
>You'll have to tie it on, of course.

ooh. im liking this idea. I could just stick the back end on the floor
so it touches the bottom of the tailgate. might make it a bit more
secure.
There isnt a lot to tie it to on the top of the windscreen frame
though?

 
Tom Woods wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:08:49 +0100, Dougal
> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Forget the vents.
>>
>>Fold back the front section of the soft top.
>>
>>Rest the timber on the top of the windscreen frame at the front and on
>>the rear body capping at the rear.
>>
>>You'll have to tie it on, of course.
>
>
> ooh. im liking this idea. I could just stick the back end on the floor
> so it touches the bottom of the tailgate. might make it a bit more
> secure.
> There isnt a lot to tie it to on the top of the windscreen frame
> though?

I think if you keep the rear end of the timber inboard the front
overhang will be rather high. The centre of gravity might even be
forward of the contact point on the windscreen frame which would make
things 'interesting'.

There are lots of things to tie it to including the hood sticks,
bumper, bulkhead ..... just use some imagination.
 
"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ooh. im liking this idea. I could just stick the back end on the floor
> so it touches the bottom of the tailgate. might make it a bit more
> secure.
> There isnt a lot to tie it to on the top of the windscreen frame
> though?
>
16 ft?

Now you're begining to scare me.... ask them how much to deliver.. failing
that do it this weekend.. I'll be out of the County ;-)

Lee D


 

"landiemanlll" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Tom Woods wrote:
>> I'm building a carport. Today i found that the local builders merchant
>> sell 2x4 timber in 16ft lengths.
>> I have a SWB landy, which is less than 16ft long in total!
>>
>> They have offered to lend me a saw so i can shorten it, but i'd quite
>> like it in the full length since my carport is close to 16ft long.
>>
>> Do you reckon that if i open my passenger side air vent I could poke a
>> few full lengths of 2x4 right through and out to the front of the
>> bonnet so that i only have a couple of foot of overhang?
>>
>> Do people reckon that they will fit this way while resting on the top
>> of the bulkhead/rear tailgate? I dont mind doing a few loads (since
>> its less than a mile to my house)
>>
>> Or should i remove the front of my rag and fold the screen down and do
>> it that way?
>>
>> This had made me think what the longest load anybody has shifted in a
>> SWB is? :)
>
>
> sounds to me like you need a roofrack m8 the longest thing I've had on
> mine is a pair of pretty long ladders but in your situation I would
> probably go for dropping the windscreen!!
>

Once had a boat upside down on my S3, no roof or door tops just the
windscreen.
The pointy bit of the boat was over the bonnet and tied to the bumper with
the middle resting on the screen , the blunt bit was resting on the back and
tied on, got some funny puzzled looks driving through town :)
--
Jon


 
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:14:24 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> ooh. im liking this idea. I could just stick the back end on the floor
>> so it touches the bottom of the tailgate. might make it a bit more
>> secure.
>> There isnt a lot to tie it to on the top of the windscreen frame
>> though?
>>
> 16 ft?

Thats what they said! i was expecting 3M lengths like the posts i
bought home today.

>Now you're begining to scare me.... ask them how much to deliver.. failing
>that do it this weekend.. I'll be out of the County ;-)

They cant deliver till next week and i want to build stuff this
weekend!

If i felt energetic and had a couple of hours i could almost carry
them home 2 at a time!

 
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:42:35 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>
>I think if you keep the rear end of the timber inboard the front
>overhang will be rather high. The centre of gravity might even be
>forward of the contact point on the windscreen frame which would make
>things 'interesting'.

good point. will have to measure up.
Remember that ive only got to get it about 1/2-3/4 of a mile. Up a
lane, cross the main road, then into the estate that i live in

>There are lots of things to tie it to including the hood sticks,
>bumper, bulkhead ..... just use some imagination.

the best tie down point would be the contact point though - and you
cant do a lot with the screen in the way.
I could make a big frame like fred dibnah used to have on his landy :)
 
Tom Woods wrote:

> the best tie down point would be the contact point though - and you
> cant do a lot with the screen in the way.

True, but there's nothing there.

If you're not too ambitious, say max 3 at a time, and you place them
as I suggested they'll strap nicely against the left inside of the
hoodsticks. Tie the bundle together and it to the hoodsticks. Tie down
to bumper/bumperettes at front and rear. Tie across to the opposite
side at front and rear. If worried about braking-induced forces add a
lengthwise tie from somewhere above the passenger seat, lead back over
the rear capping and make firm at the bumperette. I can't imagine
forces due to acceleration being of much concern!

16ft (5m approx) - have 3 ft. sticking out at the back and the front
overhangs the front bumper just nicely to tie down to it.




 
Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:
> Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> the best tie down point would be the contact point though - and you
>> cant do a lot with the screen in the way.
>
> True, but there's nothing there.
>
> If you're not too ambitious, say max 3 at a time, and you place them
> as I suggested they'll strap nicely against the left inside of the
> hoodsticks. Tie the bundle together and it to the hoodsticks. Tie down
> to bumper/bumperettes at front and rear. Tie across to the opposite
> side at front and rear. If worried about braking-induced forces add a
> lengthwise tie from somewhere above the passenger seat, lead back over
> the rear capping and make firm at the bumperette. I can't imagine
> forces due to acceleration being of much concern!
>
> 16ft (5m approx) - have 3 ft. sticking out at the back and the front
> overhangs the front bumper just nicely to tie down to it.

OK how about soft top off, Bars on, Wood on top of windscreen frame but tied
under the bars.... then at the front the wood tied down to the bumper sort
of in an Inverted V (for the rope).

Then the obligatory flappy thing tied to the back end of the wood to stop
anyone impailing themselves.


Lee D


 
Lee_D wrote:

> Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz
> funny about:
>
>>Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>>
>>>the best tie down point would be the contact point though - and you
>>>cant do a lot with the screen in the way.
>>
>>True, but there's nothing there.
>>
>>If you're not too ambitious, say max 3 at a time, and you place them
>>as I suggested they'll strap nicely against the left inside of the
>>hoodsticks. Tie the bundle together and it to the hoodsticks. Tie down
>>to bumper/bumperettes at front and rear. Tie across to the opposite
>>side at front and rear. If worried about braking-induced forces add a
>>lengthwise tie from somewhere above the passenger seat, lead back over
>>the rear capping and make firm at the bumperette. I can't imagine
>>forces due to acceleration being of much concern!
>>
>>16ft (5m approx) - have 3 ft. sticking out at the back and the front
>>overhangs the front bumper just nicely to tie down to it.
>
>
> OK how about soft top off, Bars on, Wood on top of windscreen frame but tied
> under the bars.... then at the front the wood tied down to the bumper sort
> of in an Inverted V (for the rope).
>
> Then the obligatory flappy thing tied to the back end of the wood to stop
> anyone impailing themselves.
>
>
> Lee D

It'll work but ...

Underslung timber is not making the best use of gravity. If rested on
the rear capping it's going nowhere and the risk (albeit small) of
loosening ties where it's underslung is removed. Holding the timber up
when attempting to secure it could be a problem, too.
 

"jOn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "landiemanlll" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Tom Woods wrote:
> >> I'm building a carport. Today i found that the local builders merchant
> >> sell 2x4 timber in 16ft lengths.
> >> I have a SWB landy, which is less than 16ft long in total!
> >>
> >> They have offered to lend me a saw so i can shorten it, but i'd quite
> >> like it in the full length since my carport is close to 16ft long.
> >>
> >> Do you reckon that if i open my passenger side air vent I could poke a
> >> few full lengths of 2x4 right through and out to the front of the
> >> bonnet so that i only have a couple of foot of overhang?
> >>
> >> Do people reckon that they will fit this way while resting on the top
> >> of the bulkhead/rear tailgate? I dont mind doing a few loads (since
> >> its less than a mile to my house)
> >>
> >> Or should i remove the front of my rag and fold the screen down and do
> >> it that way?

Take rag off completely, fold down windscreen and load them over the
tailboard until they are sticking over the front bumper about a foot. Tie
them to the nearside hoodsticks to stop them sliding your way on a left hand
bend and down to the bumper at the front and down to the grab handle on the
rear crossmember. That will give you about four feet sticking out at the
back which you can tie a white rag to as a marker and only a foot at the
front because you don't want to try and cross the main road with a lot
sticking out at the front, safer at the back. No probs carrying a dozen like
that for a short distance, I've carried loads of stuff like that but make
sure the back marker is clearly visible.

Martin

> >>
> >> This had made me think what the longest load anybody has shifted in a
> >> SWB is? :)
> >
> >


 

"landiemanlll" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Tom Woods wrote:
>> I'm building a carport. Today i found that the local builders merchant
>> sell 2x4 timber in 16ft lengths.
>> I have a SWB landy, which is less than 16ft long in total!
>>
>> They have offered to lend me a saw so i can shorten it, but i'd quite
>> like it in the full length since my carport is close to 16ft long.
>>
>> Do you reckon that if i open my passenger side air vent I could poke a
>> few full lengths of 2x4 right through and out to the front of the
>> bonnet so that i only have a couple of foot of overhang?
>>
>> Do people reckon that they will fit this way while resting on the top
>> of the bulkhead/rear tailgate? I dont mind doing a few loads (since
>> its less than a mile to my house)
>>
>> Or should i remove the front of my rag and fold the screen down and do
>> it that way?
>>
>> This had made me think what the longest load anybody has shifted in a
>> SWB is? :)
>
>
> sounds to me like you need a roofrack m8 the longest thing I've had on
> mine is a pair of pretty long ladders but in your situation I would
> probably go for dropping the windscreen!!


Just chuck em on and drive very slowly, its only a mile!

Icky
>


 
If i start taking the rag off it is bound to rain! :)

I have measured the front vent and i reckon i can poke 3 or 4 bits of
wood though it, so may try it this way, as it is easier.
If not then i can whip the rag off and tie it on as dougal suggests,
going for the inside left of the sticks.

 
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:40:24 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Take rag off completely, fold down windscreen and load them over the
>tailboard until they are sticking over the front bumper about a foot. Tie
>them to the nearside hoodsticks to stop them sliding your way on a left hand
>bend and down to the bumper at the front and down to the grab handle on the
>rear crossmember. That will give you about four feet sticking out at the
>back which you can tie a white rag to as a marker and only a foot at the
>front because you don't want to try and cross the main road with a lot
>sticking out at the front, safer at the back. No probs carrying a dozen like
>that for a short distance, I've carried loads of stuff like that but make
>sure the back marker is clearly visible.
>
>Martin

I reckon i could leave most of my rag and sticks on whilst folding
down the screen!. You only need to split it infront of the front
doors, and then the screen should fold down, leaving the rest hanging
about (sufficiently attached that it may flap about but shouldnt fall
off)
Im not sure how willing my screen would be to fold down. It worked 5
years ago when i built it but has been fixed since. i never drove with
the screen down, and ought really try it one day! :)

 
Tom Woods came up with the following;:

> Or should i remove the front of my rag and fold the screen down and do
> it that way?
>
> This had made me think what the longest load anybody has shifted in a
> SWB is? :)

Had a mate a few year ago with the same problem. He made a couple of
stronger softtop type hoops and bolted them to the front and rear bumpers,
then tied the wood to that. Sotftop down and wood tied inboard of the hoops.
It worked so well he eventually left the extra hoops on while he made a full
length roof rack then welded tubes at each corner so he could simply slot
the roof rack and corner steadies into them when he needed and was left with
4" high tubes on the end of the bumpers when he didn't. Worked a treat too.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

 
Tom Woods wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:40:24 +0100, "Oily"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Take rag off completely, fold down windscreen and load them over the
>>tailboard until they are sticking over the front bumper about a foot. Tie
>>them to the nearside hoodsticks to stop them sliding your way on a left hand
>>bend and down to the bumper at the front and down to the grab handle on the
>>rear crossmember. That will give you about four feet sticking out at the
>>back which you can tie a white rag to as a marker and only a foot at the
>>front because you don't want to try and cross the main road with a lot
>>sticking out at the front, safer at the back. No probs carrying a dozen like
>>that for a short distance, I've carried loads of stuff like that but make
>>sure the back marker is clearly visible.
>>
>>Martin
>
>
> I reckon i could leave most of my rag and sticks on whilst folding
> down the screen!. You only need to split it infront of the front
> doors, and then the screen should fold down, leaving the rest hanging
> about (sufficiently attached that it may flap about but shouldnt fall
> off)
> Im not sure how willing my screen would be to fold down. It worked 5
> years ago when i built it but has been fixed since. i never drove with
> the screen down, and ought really try it one day! :)

Why does everyone want to drop the windscreen?

As Tom points out it's not necessarily going to be easy and it's also
not necessary.

There is the further consideration that the window frame is likely to
be stronger when loaded from the top and near the side when in the
usual position than when lowered. The frame is also supported full
width across the bottom in addition to the two hinge bolts.



 
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