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Trevor

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Any tips on where I can buy secondhand replacement seatbelts (driver middle
and passenger seats) for a Defender County 90 SWB?

Selling it and it's failed the MOT on seatbelts (1989 115,000 mls £2900)


 
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:20:46 +0100, "Trevor"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Any tips on where I can buy secondhand replacement seatbelts (driver middle
>and passenger seats) for a Defender County 90 SWB?

I had the tapes on the driver's side replaced because of a cut and it
cost less than 50 quid.

AJH
 
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:08:32 +0100, AJH <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:20:46 +0100, "Trevor"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Any tips on where I can buy secondhand replacement seatbelts (driver middle
>>and passenger seats) for a Defender County 90 SWB?
>
>I had the tapes on the driver's side replaced because of a cut and it
>cost less than 50 quid.

i think the landrover just uses bog standard inertia reels. so
anywhere should sell em?

£50 seems a lot for a fix. I bought new inertia reels for the front of
my 2A and they only cost £30-£35 for each side IIRC.


 
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:52:32 +0100, "Trevor"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The garage has quoted me £250 plus fitting.
>
Richard Beamends's site says £35ish for each belt OEM. There are 3
bolts holding each belt in, do you really need to get a garage to do
this job? its not really a hard or dirty job.
 
Probably not, it's just sat there waiting to go through the MOT once I have
some seat belts.

Will give beamends a try - many thanks for the links


 
On or around Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:56:58 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> "Trevor" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Any tips on where I can buy secondhand replacement seatbelts (driver middle
>> and passenger seats) for a Defender County 90 SWB?
>>
>> Selling it and it's failed the MOT on seatbelts (1989 115,000 mls £2900)
>>
>>
>
>You shouldn't be able to get s/h ones.

any breakers yard... unless they've actually stopped selling 'em. The
middle belt is a fixed lap strap such as was used on most saloon cars.

3 points to consider:

1) make sure the belt is in good condition (no fraying, no loose stitching).

2) make sure the plug-in part is identical to the one you're replacing, or
get the plug-in part from the donor car as well.

3) check that the inertia reel works correctly. It should lock under 2
conditions - if the base unit is at the "nominal" angle (i.e. car sitting
level) then it should lock if pulled rapidly, and it should also lock if the
base unit is more than a few degrees off that angle. Oh, and check that the
base unit is the correct orientation - some of the ones in the back of
saloon cars, for example, are designed to be bolted on at an angle, and if
you bolt it on with the reel horizontal, it won't work.

I can't see why it's a problem to re-use second-hand belts, especially from
newish cars, provided they're sound. That, of course, won't stop the
government from making legislation to prevent it.

MOT test doesn't test the inertia mechanism anyway - and although a frayed
belt for example is potentially dangerous, and inertia one that doesn't lock
when it should is just as much risk, if not more.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On or around Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:52:32 +0100, "Trevor"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The garage has quoted me £250 plus fitting.
>

bloody crooks.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:56:58 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > "Trevor" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Any tips on where I can buy secondhand replacement seatbelts (driver middle
> >> and passenger seats) for a Defender County 90 SWB?
> >>
> >> Selling it and it's failed the MOT on seatbelts (1989 115,000 mls £2900)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You shouldn't be able to get s/h ones.
>
> any breakers yard... unless they've actually stopped selling 'em. The
> middle belt is a fixed lap strap such as was used on most saloon cars.
>
> 3 points to consider:
>
> 1) make sure the belt is in good condition (no fraying, no loose stitching).
>
> 2) make sure the plug-in part is identical to the one you're replacing, or
> get the plug-in part from the donor car as well.
>
> 3) check that the inertia reel works correctly. It should lock under 2
> conditions - if the base unit is at the "nominal" angle (i.e. car sitting
> level) then it should lock if pulled rapidly, and it should also lock if the
> base unit is more than a few degrees off that angle. Oh, and check that the
> base unit is the correct orientation - some of the ones in the back of
> saloon cars, for example, are designed to be bolted on at an angle, and if
> you bolt it on with the reel horizontal, it won't work.
>
> I can't see why it's a problem to re-use second-hand belts, especially from
> newish cars, provided they're sound. That, of course, won't stop the
> government from making legislation to prevent it.
>
> MOT test doesn't test the inertia mechanism anyway - and although a frayed
> belt for example is potentially dangerous, and inertia one that doesn't lock
> when it should is just as much risk, if not more.
>

Seat belts are required to be cut when removed, unless somethings
changed in the last few years.

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
www.radioparadise.com - Good Music, No Vine
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On or around Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:49:04 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Seat belts are required to be cut when removed, unless somethings
>changed in the last few years.

but what if they're not removed...

another fine example of waste of resources. A simple examination of the
belt and unit should determine whether or not it's usable, and as I say, the
MOT doesn't test the function of the inertia bit, though it would be tricky
to achieve that, perhaps. you'd have to have a ramp to get the vehicle on
an angle, or something.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
is to be none the less free than you were before."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16
 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:49:04 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >Seat belts are required to be cut when removed, unless somethings
> >changed in the last few years.
>
> but what if they're not removed...
>
> another fine example of waste of resources. A simple examination of the
> belt and unit should determine whether or not it's usable, and as I say, the
> MOT doesn't test the function of the inertia bit, though it would be tricky
> to achieve that, perhaps. you'd have to have a ramp to get the vehicle on
> an angle, or something.

Whatever the ins-and-outs of recycling, when we used to do s/h
parts there was no way I'd sell s/h belts anyway, as it is practically
impossible to tell if they are working correctly. The thought
of someone going through the windscreen as a result of a defective
part.......

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
www.radioparadise.com - Good Music, No Vine
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
In message <[email protected]>, Trevor
<[email protected]> writes
>The garage has quoted me £250 plus fitting.
>
>
What are they - diamond studded gold braid??

Get on to Paddocks, they're a fraction of that.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:35:46 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

> MOT doesn't test the function of the inertia bit, ...

Which strikes me as just plain stupid. No point in having the belt at all
if the fing thing doesn't lock.

> ... though it would be tricky to achieve that, perhaps. you'd have to
> have a ramp to get the vehicle on an angle, or something.

Well to check that it locks at silly angles I guess but the primary
reason to lock would be paying out to fast due to seat occupant moving
when the car has stopped (ie. hit something...). A simple yank test would
be to simple and not consistent enough but I can envisage a frame and a
tension spring that you release pulling the belt with a given force. If
the belt locks before x" of belt has been released pass if it doesn't
fail.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 

Trevor wrote:
> Any tips on where I can buy secondhand replacement seatbelts (driver middle
> and passenger seats) for a Defender County 90 SWB?
>
> Selling it and it's failed the MOT on seatbelts (1989 115,000 mls £2900)

Don't fit second hand ones, if a belt has been involved in a crash it
may not be functioning properly but you can't necessarily tell, that's
why they should always be replaced after a crash. Unbranded ones are
only £23 for an inertial reel type and less for lap belts from
Paddocks, I've seen the same ones for only £15 at rallies. I've just
fitted a pair to my 109 because the old ones are fraid and of unknown
history, my life's worth £23 !.
Greg

 
On or around Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:47:13 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:35:46 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> MOT doesn't test the function of the inertia bit, ...
>
>Which strikes me as just plain stupid. No point in having the belt at all
>if the fing thing doesn't lock.
>
>> ... though it would be tricky to achieve that, perhaps. you'd have to
>> have a ramp to get the vehicle on an angle, or something.
>
>Well to check that it locks at silly angles I guess but the primary
>reason to lock would be paying out to fast due to seat occupant moving
>when the car has stopped (ie. hit something...).

not actually true... the mechanism locks due to impact of the vehicle BEFORE
the belt moves. Find an old one and take it apart, and see how it works. A
heavy weight (there are a couple of designs) moves as soon as the vehicle
accelerates more than a preset amount in any direction, and locks the reel
mechanism. This is why, when the vehicle's on a steep slope, the belts
lock, even if they've not been pulled. They also have a centrifugal type
arrangement which locks it if it's pulled too fast, but that, AFAICS, is a
belt-and-braces thing in case for some reason the inertia lock doesn't
operate.

This, of course, is the bit that isn't tested in the MOT. I think they do a
basic yank test which in fact is probably good enough to test that aspect -
if you pull it by hand and it doesn't lock then it's not locking when it
should.

The other part could be checked by having a sloping ramp and running the
vehicle up it. A few simple calculations would determine the angle at which
the belt should lock due to gravity acting on the weight. I daresay there's
a requirement in the standard for inertia reel belts that they lock at a
given acceleration.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"
Alphonse Karr (1808 - 1890) Les Guêpes, Jan 1849
 
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:08:51 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

> not actually true... the mechanism locks due to impact of the vehicle
> BEFORE the belt moves.

Well by the time the weight has moved so has the occupant thus pulling
the belt but this is very fine timing. B-) Obviously there is a bit of
slack on a pure centrifugal system but I thought that's what the preload
thingy in the static side took care of by shortening when stressed.

> This is why, when the vehicle's on a steep slope, the belts lock, even
> if they've not been pulled.

Can't say I've ever noticed that but then I may not ever have been on a
steep enough hill...

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On or around Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:35:10 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:08:51 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> not actually true... the mechanism locks due to impact of the vehicle
>> BEFORE the belt moves.
>
>Well by the time the weight has moved so has the occupant thus pulling
>the belt but this is very fine timing. B-) Obviously there is a bit of
>slack on a pure centrifugal system but I thought that's what the preload
>thingy in the static side took care of by shortening when stressed.
>
>> This is why, when the vehicle's on a steep slope, the belts lock, even
>> if they've not been pulled.
>
>Can't say I've ever noticed that but then I may not ever have been on a
>steep enough hill...

they do though. the weight in the mechanism only has to move a few mm. to
make it lock. likesay, play with an old one... they're fun.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:26:47 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:35:10 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:08:51 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>> not actually true... the mechanism locks due to impact of the vehicle
>>> BEFORE the belt moves.
>>
>>Well by the time the weight has moved so has the occupant thus pulling
>>the belt but this is very fine timing. B-) Obviously there is a bit of
>>slack on a pure centrifugal system but I thought that's what the preload
>>thingy in the static side took care of by shortening when stressed.
>>
>>> This is why, when the vehicle's on a steep slope, the belts lock, even
>>> if they've not been pulled.
>>
>>Can't say I've ever noticed that but then I may not ever have been on a
>>steep enough hill...
>
>they do though. the weight in the mechanism only has to move a few mm. to
>make it lock. likesay, play with an old one... they're fun.

Rear belts in my 1986 Rangie were Stupidly sensitive to roll.
Sometimes a fat bloke (ahem) in the drivers seat would tilt the
vehicle enough to lock them. Frequently would have to get out and rock
the car whilst the kids would tug at the seatbelts until they would
extend.

Not a fault, just character.

David
 
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