Land rover freelander or toyota land cruiser

"Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "David G. Bell" ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying :
>
>> I suspect military procurement could abandon Land Rover if there isn't
>> a standard model close to their needs.
>
> I thought they pretty much already had in favour of the Pinz?

And they are assembled in the UK.
This would appear to be a main replacement for LR though
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/future/

Huw

On 2005-02-22, Huw <hedydd> wrote:

> And they are assembled in the UK.
> This would appear to be a main replacement for LR though
> http://www.army-technology.com/projects/future/

Hmm, interesting-ish I suppose, auto gearbox with six gears and no low
range, that seems like a backwards step though, it also has
independent suspension all round but no portal axles, and ground
clearance doesn't look that great. Seems to be built for speed more
than off-road crawling.

Give me a Pinzgaeur any day! I'm even tempted to sell my 110 to
finance buying one..

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On 2005-02-20, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes, that was why I eventually gave up Land Rover products. They are not
> as good off-road as the advocates claim,

Another anti-advocate in here to troll things up, your cross-posting
line betrays your juvenility.

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On 2005-02-20, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> The Freelander is for those who can't see past the badge.

From the rest of your posts in this topic Steve you appear to be one
of those who can't see past the badge! It's very infrequent these
days that you get massive gulfs between manufacturers, but you
certainly get massive gulfs in friend-of-a-friend stories.

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Steve Firth wrote:

> Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "By far the best proof is experience"
>
> Yes, that was why I eventually gave up Land Rover products. They are
> not as good off-road as the advocates claim, they are truly ****e on
> road, and they are expensive to maintain and fix.
>
> Servicing bills for my 4xFord, £100 a year. Any Land Rover with
> servicing costs that low?

Yes - My SIII costs half that per year to service. Excluding tyres
etc. A couple of oil changes and she's fine.

Simon Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes - My SIII costs half that per year to service. Excluding tyres
> etc. A couple of oil changes and she's fine.

And oddly enough the lowest servicing bill I had for any of SIIIs was
£500. And these were regarded as good examples of SIIIs, pounced upon by
punters when we sold them.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Steve Firth wrote:

> Simon Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yes - My SIII costs half that per year to service. Excluding
> > tyres etc. A couple of oil changes and she's fine.
>
> And oddly enough the lowest servicing bill I had for any of SIIIs was
> £500. And these were regarded as good examples of SIIIs, pounced upon
> by punters when we sold them.

What do you do to them? Take them to a LR dealer?

On Sunday, in article
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%steve%@malloc.co.uk "Steve Firth" wrote:

> Simon Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yes - My SIII costs half that per year to service. Excluding tyres
> > etc. A couple of oil changes and she's fine.
>
> And oddly enough the lowest servicing bill I had for any of SIIIs was
> £500. And these were regarded as good examples of SIIIs, pounced upon by
> punters when we sold them.

I'm a little wary of the figures flying around. It's quite possible
that all modern vehicles, because the the computers running things, are
impractical to service by the owner. But people still run Land Rovers
which don't have that problem.

I think you have to make some allowance for labour costs, it's not just
parts and lubricants.

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Simon Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve Firth wrote:
>
> > Simon Atkinson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes - My SIII costs half that per year to service. Excluding
> > > tyres etc. A couple of oil changes and she's fine.
> >
> > And oddly enough the lowest servicing bill I had for any of SIIIs was
> > £500. And these were regarded as good examples of SIIIs, pounced upon
> > by punters when we sold them.
>
> What do you do to them? Take them to a LR dealer?

Of course, and I take the Ford to a Ford dealer.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

In article <[email protected]>, "David G. Bell" wrote:
> On Sunday, in article
> <1gsncyh.yausthtvyd6jN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
> %steve%@malloc.co.uk "Steve Firth" wrote:
>
>>
>> And oddly enough the lowest servicing bill I had for any of SIIIs was
>> £500. And these were regarded as good examples of SIIIs, pounced upon by
>> punters when we sold them.
>
SNIP
>
> I think you have to make some allowance for labour costs, it's not just
> parts and lubricants.
>

Yebbut, cheapest service was £500 quid! That's some labour charge.


I bet one of those services was just oil, filters and a quick look see, to
find if anything was wrong. £500, ouch!

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Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

Simon Barr wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, "David G.
> Bell" wrote:
> > On Sunday, in article
> > <1gsncyh.yausthtvyd6jN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
> > %steve%@malloc.co.uk "Steve Firth" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> And oddly enough the lowest servicing bill I had for any of SIIIs
> was >> £500. And these were regarded as good examples of SIIIs,
> pounced upon by >> punters when we sold them.
> >
> SNIP
> >
> > I think you have to make some allowance for labour costs, it's not
> > just parts and lubricants.
> >
>
> Yebbut, cheapest service was £500 quid! That's some labour charge.
>
>
> I bet one of those services was just oil, filters and a quick look
> see, to find if anything was wrong. £500, ouch!

I wonder how much of the 500 quid is servicing costs, and how much
repairs? On a service I would expect service items (consumables) to be
replaced. Anything else is a repair (for example new track rod as the
old one is bent) not part of servicing.

In article <[email protected]>, Simon Atkinson wrote:
>
> I wonder how much of the 500 quid is servicing costs, and how much
> repairs? On a service I would expect service items (consumables) to be

Maybe Mr Firth can tell us?

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simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Simon Atkinson wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how much of the 500 quid is servicing costs, and how much
> > repairs? On a service I would expect service items (consumables) to be
>
> Maybe Mr Firth can tell us?

There were always spares to replace on every service. Plus two diffs and
two swivel hubs to fill with oil because LR can't design an oil seal to
save their lives.

It's one of the gripes I have with Land Rover. As I said before they are
far too fragile. My American lump has simply got on with the job, and it
can crack 110mph on the autobahn when needed as well. I never managed
anything close in a LR product.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Simon Atkinson wrote:
>> >
>> > I wonder how much of the 500 quid is servicing costs, and how much
>> > repairs? On a service I would expect service items (consumables) to be
>>
>> Maybe Mr Firth can tell us?
>
> There were always spares to replace on every service. Plus two diffs and
> two swivel hubs to fill with oil because LR can't design an oil seal to
> save their lives.

Oddly, or not, I have never wrecked a LR diff and have never had a leaking
hub seal. This despite owning some six live axle LR's over the years and
owning my remaining 110 pick up from new in 1984.

>
> It's one of the gripes I have with Land Rover. As I said before they are
> far too fragile. My American lump has simply got on with the job, and it
> can crack 110mph on the autobahn when needed as well. I never managed
> anything close in a LR product.
>

I have never found them fragile and I tow more weight and off road more than
most, due to the nature of my business. I do actually cost the vehicles
reasonably diligently and replacements are fairly regular in the suspension
and steering departments. Otherwise they have been fairly reliable. The
average cost of replacements and repairs for the work 110 has averaged
around £700 per year, with costs highest when new tyres, exhausts, and
steering boxes [the bane of a working LR's life] coincide in the same year.
Otherwise, normal servicing costs around £200 per year. Costs are no worse
now than 15 years ago for this vehicle. Some day sooner or later there will
be a major failure, at which point some clear thinking will be needed in
deciding whether to spend or scrap it.

Huw

Totally agree - the freelander is not in the same class as the Land
Cruiser - different animals for different markets
compare the Land Cruiser with a Discovery, compare the Freelander with a
erm, erm..... Rav4, Nissan X-Trail, Honda CRV, any of the 20 grand lower end
really



"hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>, Steve
> <[email protected]> writes
> >
> >> It doesn't need "that". It's got permanent 4x4 and clever gizmos to
> >> replace
> >> the diff. I haven't manged to get mine stuck yet.
> >>
> >You not been off road then? If you had been then you would have had the
> >landy in the repair shop after each time. One of the mobile operators
used
> >Freelanders for there tech guys but were very dissapointed in them as
they
> >were off the road (in a garage, not Off-road) more than on. Soon as they
> >were off road it seemed that there was a burning smell coming from all
those
> >clever gadgets as they cant cope with the rough stuff that well.
> >
> Possibly had the hill descent control on when driving normally.
> >Still stands though, the freelander is in a different class, for one, has
a
> >lot less ground clearance than that of a land cruiser
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >
> They are on a different scale. More appropriate to compare with Defender
> or Disco I would have thought.
> --
> hugh
> Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

Toyota Land Cruiser Is A Heavy Powerful 4x4, The Freelander Is Just A 4 Cilinders, That&#180;s The Great Diference Between Them, But I Think That The Free, Being Light Weight Could Be More Versatile In The Mud Or Wading.

I Say This Because I Have Seen Land Cruisers Sinking And Stucked In The Mud Just Because It&#180;s Heavy Weight, No Matter How Much Hp Or Muscles It Has.

the comparisson should be made with the defender... or (why not?) a series .

Salutes.
series 3 1.979