Kinetic rope,

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Muppetdaze said:
Well the reason they use the word 'Kinetic' is because it's the Fashionable thing at the moment, so their rope will show up in searches for Kinetic,
Personally I prefer "Frenetic assistance", that's when you run around like a headless chicken because the Ebay cheap Chinese rope has stretched , snapped and decapitated the pedigree black labrador a passer-by was walking, your eight year old daughter is screaming about the dog, the passer-by's husband is threatening you with all sorts of mayhem, the community support officer arrives on his bicycle and gets assaulted for trying to calm the Dog walkers down, you frantically trying to slip mud ladders under the back of the car while the daughter still raises merry hell. Finally you free the vehicle and escape, seeing flashing blue lights approaching the area in your rear view mirror, thank god the mud hid your plates. Your Daughter is now just curled into a ball and sobbing in the back, Now onto Amazon to buy another cheap rope and you and your eight year old are ready for next Sunday's green-laning, perhaps in a different county..............

Oh and you can always put Bicycle inner tubes over the rope to help protect it from mud etc
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Were you there????:p:p

Cheers
 
blue beasty said:
I googled Noryb snatch strap and it's stated is 100% nylon with a max elasticity of 20%. It's designed for kinetic recovery and not generally recommended for freewheel towing or winching
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Good News,

Response I got from Noryb

Hello,

Thankyou for your email, yes the snatch strap is kinetic, its made from 100% nylon and will stretch to 20% of its length when used in a recovery.

Kind Regards
Kathy

Cheers
 
Impressive to get a reply if nothing else! I’ll still be extremely careful regardless, some of the other threads showing times it’s gone wrong are enough of a wake up call for me!

At my end my intention would be to attach the tree strap to the two front or two rear recovery points on my car passed through the loop of the kinetic rope, my theory being it spreads the load between two shackles.
 
"Kinetic", referring to Kinetic Energy is in the physics world the energy which a body possesses due to its motion. In the case of an elastic band which from what I understand of this thread is similar to how a kinetic rope works, is the energy stored due to the motion of one or both ends.
So taking that definition into account, the way that I understand it is that the kinetic rope stores that "extra" bit of pulling force which might be required in a sticky recovery, basically the pulling force provided by the towing vehicle plus the kinetic energy stored in the rope.

Muppetdaze said:
Finally you free the vehicle and escape, seeing flashing blue lights approaching the area in your rear view mirror, thank god the mud hid your plates.
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Last time @allan downes and I were out, we weren't worried by blue lights in the rear view mirror, we were watching the "Old Bill" hovering above us in their bloody windthrasher through the sunroof.
 
blue beasty said:
There's a lot of unbranded stuff about. That's asking for trouble.
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Very true. Bad copy in adverts does not instill confidence. Even the reply above being word for wrod for the advert makes me question if "kathy" knows what she is answering to.:rolleyes::rolleyes:...Or maybe I am just being too cynical.:p

It appears that no-one has used the newer style of kinetic rope on here, So still undecided as to which to get. But I am not in any great hurry.

Cheers
 
RobertP said:
I think the USA ton is 2000 pounds, so that bit is right. And of course Americans don't understand kilogrammes.
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Weight can be a bit confusing, there seem to be so many ton(ne)s:-
  • Long ton = 2240 lb
  • Short ton = 2000 lb
  • Tonne = 2204.622621848776 lb
Then there are the colloquial uses such as:-
  • "That replacement tyre cost me a ton" £100
  • "I've got a ton of work to get done on the Landy" Indeterminate, but usually means a lot.
  • "If I ever get to drive a Landy at a ton, the police will notify the guiness book of records" 100 mph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonne
 
brian47 said:
Weight can be a bit confusing, there seem to be so many ton(ne)s:-
  • Long ton = 2240 lb
  • Short ton = 2000 lb
  • Tonne = 2204.622621848776 lb
Then there are the colloquial uses such as:-
  • "That replacement tyre cost me a ton" £100
  • "I've got a ton of work to get done on the Landy" Indeterminate, but usually means a lot.
  • "If I ever get to drive a Landy at a ton, the police will notify the guiness book of records" 100 mph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonne
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As well as just plain old 'it weighs a ton / tonnne!'
Which translates as 'it's too heavy for me'
 
Discokids said:
As well as just plain old 'it weighs a ton / tonnne!'
Which translates as 'it's too heavy for me'
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Now you're getting into the realm of the "International standard measure of excess", the Firkin.
The Firkin is usually measured in twos, as in:-
"Two firkin big",
"Two firkin heavy"
"Two firkin much"
"Two firkin loud", etc.
 
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Kinetics are very useful when used correctly I myself have been using one for years successfully without problem . One of the best uses I found is towing (somtimes doubled up to reduce length, reduces shock when pulling away) especially usefull when either towed vehicle or lead has an inexperienced driver.. I could do with a new one as mine now has a great knot in the middle
Just as a mention I got stuck this time (def 110) and a quad bike offered to tow me out using a kinetic rope,, yes i refused, could of been funny tho. ..
 
RobertP said:
I think the USA ton is 2000 pounds, so that bit is right. And of course Americans don't understand kilogrammes.
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You are correct that Yanks do have a 2000lbs "ton" . My point is, that in this case they do not know the difference between Tonnes and Tons ( short ) and Imperial tons.

The advert is on Amazon UK, so to state 13.2 Tonnes would mean metric tonnes, or 13,200 KG. NOT short tons.

Made for heavy duty use with a width of 100mm which results in a minimum breaking strain of 12000kg (26500lbs / 13.2 tonne).
Amazon product

So the advert is misleading. I would not be happy to buy from a supplier who cannot differentiate on details like this , especially on something safety critical.

Cheers
 
neilly said:
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So the advert is misleading. I would not be happy to buy from a supplier who cannot differentiate on details like this , especially on something safety critical.

Cheers
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Am surprised that no one has commented on the Paddock advert

Kinetic Tow Rope - 8 metre x 24mm (2 ton Working Load Limit, 12 ton Minimum Breaking Load)
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WLL is used in the lifting world and is the 'legal' limit that can be lifted with that strap/shackle/chain etc.

Has absolutely nothing to do with recovery ropes. Now if you restricted load on that KERR to 2 ton (not tonnes) you would severely limit the occasions when it would be used!


As for that 'professional' video! Filmed at that now closed illegal site at Flappit. Tommy is the 'star' of many Utube videos. The best thing about that series of videos is educational. Try to find the one correct thing they do. This set of videos is how you do not do recoveries!


Brendan
 
leeds said:
WLL is used in the lifting world and is the 'legal' limit that can be lifted with that strap/shackle/chain etc.

Has absolutely nothing to do with recovery ropes. Now if you restricted load on that KERR to 2 ton (not tonnes) you would severely limit the occasions when it would be used!
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leeds said:
This set of videos is how you do not do recoveries!
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Really?? I would never have guessed..................:p:p..Thanks

Cheers
 
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