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Kevin W

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I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The plastic
surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while before it
finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I need to uprate
it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?

Many thanks in advance,

Kevin Woodward

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Kevin W composed the following;:
> I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The
> plastic surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while
> before it finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I
> need to uprate it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?


Sounds like you need to uprate the wiring, check and make sound all
connections, especially earth, before uprating the fuse.

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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:00:46 -0000, Paul - xxx wrote:

>> I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The
>> plastic surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while
>> before it finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps.

>
> Sounds like you need to uprate the wiring, check and make sound all
> connections, especially earth, before uprating the fuse.


Quite bigger fuse might not blow and just sit there getting hot an
eventually set the wiring a light...

What are the Kenlowes rated at? Might be better to fuse them
individually with a smaller fuse but make sure that any shared wiring
can handle to the total load.

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"Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Kevin W composed the following;:
>> I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The
>> plastic surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while
>> before it finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I
>> need to uprate it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?

>
> Sounds like you need to uprate the wiring, check and make sound all
> connections, especially earth, before uprating the fuse.
>


Or fit a viscous fan that only drives up when it needs to, that draws no
more power from the engine than the required electrical loadings of electric
fans, and is 100% more foolproof with less reliance on wiring and sensors.
Badger.


 
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:50:57 -0000, "Kevin W"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The plastic
>surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while before it
>finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I need to uprate
>it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?
>

They all do that sir.

I replaced mine on a yearly basis.

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You need to check the rating of the fans. I have twin electric on my 90 V8,
I'll have a look later at what size fuses I have. What sort of fuse holder
are you using? Not one of the type that normally used for radios with a
glass fuse in is it?
Richard

"Kevin W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The plastic
> surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while before it
> finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I need to
> uprate
> it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Kevin Woodward
>
> --
>
>
>



 
On or around Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:25:37 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Paul - xxx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Kevin W composed the following;:
>>> I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The
>>> plastic surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while
>>> before it finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I
>>> need to uprate it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?

>>
>> Sounds like you need to uprate the wiring, check and make sound all
>> connections, especially earth, before uprating the fuse.
>>

>
>Or fit a viscous fan that only drives up when it needs to, that draws no
>more power from the engine than the required electrical loadings of electric
>fans, and is 100% more foolproof with less reliance on wiring and sensors.


can still go wrong though; although one half of the likely failures just
leaves you with a noisy fan and no worse off thana fixed one. I got put off
electric ones when the motor failed on the 110 on a hot day, leaving me with
no forced draught cooling at all. Put a fixed engine-driven one on it after
that.

I have however seen quite a number of viscous ones that don't release
properly.
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from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
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Sounds like a overloading to me! I ran each fan seperately on my mates 110
V8 with kenlowes, if i remember correctly they take approx 15amps each
anyway so your right on the border with your fuse. Use a 30amp relay for
each fan and protect with a 20amp fuse supplied directly from your batt.

If you contact kanlowe they will send you the wiring diagrams and spec if
you require them.

Mark


"Kevin W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The plastic
> surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while before it
> finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I need to
> uprate
> it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Kevin Woodward
>
> --
>
>
>



 

"Badger" wrote in reply to ...
> "Paul's reply to ..
>> Kevin W who asked the following;:
>>> I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The
>>> plastic surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while
>>> before it finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I
>>> need to uprate it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?

>>
>> Sounds like you need to uprate the wiring, check and make sound all
>> connections, especially earth, before uprating the fuse.
>>

>
> Or fit a viscous fan that only drives up when it needs to, that draws no
> more power from the engine than the required electrical loadings of
> electric fans, and is 100% more foolproof with less reliance on wiring and
> sensors.


And where pray can I get a viscous fan?

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Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London


 
On or around Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:39:55 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Badger" wrote in reply to ...
>> "Paul's reply to ..
>>> Kevin W who asked the following;:
>>>> I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The
>>>> plastic surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while
>>>> before it finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I
>>>> need to uprate it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?
>>>
>>> Sounds like you need to uprate the wiring, check and make sound all
>>> connections, especially earth, before uprating the fuse.
>>>

>>
>> Or fit a viscous fan that only drives up when it needs to, that draws no
>> more power from the engine than the required electrical loadings of
>> electric fans, and is 100% more foolproof with less reliance on wiring and
>> sensors.

>
>And where pray can I get a viscous fan?


They're fitted as standard to most of the LR products, dunno about very
recent ones. If it's been removed, you'll need the fan, viscous hub and
maybe the bit for the front of the water pump, depending on what engine.

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drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Badger) wrote:

> 100% more foolproof


You'll love the one we've just pulled out of a Discovery that tended to run a touch hot under load. The hotter the coupling got the freer it got, so that you could stop it with your little finger, not that I was dumb enough to use my actual little finger :)

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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:26 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
[email protected] (Niamh Holding) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Badger) wrote:
>
>> 100% more foolproof

>
>You'll love the one we've just pulled out of a Discovery that tended to run a touch hot under load.
>The hotter the coupling got the freer it got, so that you could stop it with your little finger,
>not that I was dumb enough to use my actual little finger :)


Whose finger did you use?

'Junior, come here a minute will you?'

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"Niamh Holding" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Badger) wrote:
>
>> 100% more foolproof

>
> You'll love the one we've just pulled out of a Discovery that tended to
> run a touch hot under load. The hotter the coupling got the freer it got,
> so that you could stop it with your little finger, not that I was dumb
> enough to use my actual little finger :)
>


Yes, I know that they can fail, but the people who advocate lecky fans in
the main are those who have had a viscous fail - a relatively small
percentage of total production, I'll bet!
Speaking as an engine builder now, I've yet to see a lecky fan setup that
can actually control engine temp as stable as a correctly operating viscous
can, and you ain't telling me that all the extra thermal cycling of the
engine block due to the lecky fans and the resultant expansion/contraction
doesn't contribute in some small way to premature head gasket failures. A
lecky fan tends to switch on too late to prevent the temp rising further as
the thermostat is opening and allowing an increased flow of hotter water -
it really needs to be winding up as the thermostat is opening but it can't
as it needs the thermal switch to make, and the hysterisis of these switches
is unacceptable, you either end up cooling too late, or overcooling. What is
required is a logic circuit of thermistors switching a resistor bank, but
that would push the cost beyond what your average joe public would pay.
Unfortunately in some motorsport disciplines where the engine is rear
mounted, the lecky fan is a necessary evil but even then I always install 2,
one running permanently and a second on a thermal switch as a safety measure
as I've seen too many fail!
Think also about energy paths-
Viscous; Mechanical > Mechanical, with a very low loss to heat.
Lecky; Mechanical > Electric > Mechanical, with much higher thermal
losses at each energy conversion.
The power to drive a lecky fan has to come from somewhere, and as you
increase the electrical load, so the alternator then consumes more engine
bhp. I seriously doubt any claims made by lecky fan manufacturers about
lower energy requirements.
Give me the reliability of a properly operating viscous coupling any day.
Badger.


 
Jinx wrote:

> Sounds like a overloading to me! I ran each fan seperately on my mates 110
> V8 with kenlowes, if i remember correctly they take approx 15amps each
> anyway so your right on the border with your fuse. Use a 30amp relay for
> each fan and protect with a 20amp fuse supplied directly from your batt.
>
> If you contact kanlowe they will send you the wiring diagrams and spec if
> you require them.
>
> Mark
>
>
> "Kevin W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I occasionally blow the fuse to the twin kenlowes on my 110 V8. The plastic
>>surround usually starts to melt first & it may take a while before it
>>finally goes. The fuse is rated at 30 amps. Is it just that I need to
>>uprate
>>it or should I be looking for an electrical fault?
>>
>>Many thanks in advance,
>>
>>Kevin Woodward
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>

My twin Kenlowes on the 88 RRC EFi auto are each fused at 20 Amps. The
fuse wire is a little 'buckled' but neither fuse has failed in 5 years yet).

HTH

Richard
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