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I've decided that I should just take the 110 straight to the garden
centre each year as it always needs new bushes :)

This year it didn't! They did give me an advise that just about every
bush, brake pipe and fuel line will fail next year...

They failed it on silly stuff this year...

Bonnet hinge not there (the little round rubber thing was tight and
had moved - squirt of WD40 cured that).

Wheelnut loose (and they didn't tighten it...)

washer not aiming correctly (actually it ran out as they were testing
them)

Seatbelt with hole (drivers side doesn't always retract and catches in
door lock) - are seatbelt assemblies easily obtained?

Foglight not working - didn't know that it ever did - the dash light
and the lamp itself are inoperative???

Front o/s brakes contaminated with oil - from the swivel I suppose...

Corrosion to front o/s chassis rail - actually an outrigger where it
joins at the bottom to the chassis - this was new a couple of years ago.

Corrosion to rear o/s chassis rail - can't find the yellow chalk yet,
but examiner tells me that it's high on the chassis in front of the
rear axle, with a metal plate hiding a hole...

Inside door handle n/s inoperative. Forgot that it had broken, need
to fix that...

I suppose that it's not bad, and I get a year to do all the bushes
etc. Are brake and fuel lines a pain to do?

Not so bad...

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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:05:14 +0100, danny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>They failed it on silly stuff this year...

They did!

>Bonnet hinge not there (the little round rubber thing was tight and
>had moved - squirt of WD40 cured that).

I didnt know that bonnet hinges were a testable item?
>
>Seatbelt with hole (drivers side doesn't always retract and catches in
>door lock) - are seatbelt assemblies easily obtained?

I'm guessing that theyre gonna be standard inertia reel seatbelts
anyway, but even if not then they are easy to get.

>Foglight not working - didn't know that it ever did - the dash light
>and the lamp itself are inoperative???

If you dont want the fog light, then take the light off, and cover
up/remove the switch. It wont be testable then. its only got to work
if its there.

>Front o/s brakes contaminated with oil - from the swivel I suppose...

thats going to be more fun :)

>I suppose that it's not bad, and I get a year to do all the bushes
>etc. Are brake and fuel lines a pain to do?

The pipe itself is fairly inexpensive, and its only really as hard as
getting the old ones off, and managiung to bend/feed new bits into the
right places.

 

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:05:14 +0100, danny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Bonnet hinge not there (the little round rubber thing was tight and
> >had moved - squirt of WD40 cured that).
>
> I didnt know that bonnet hinges were a testable item?
> >

Bonnet security and operation was added recently... more and more seems to
be getting added every 6 months or so...


> >Foglight not working - didn't know that it ever did - the dash light
> >and the lamp itself are inoperative???
>
> If you dont want the fog light, then take the light off, and cover
> up/remove the switch. It wont be testable then. its only got to work
> if its there.
>

That will depend entirely on what year the vehicle is... post 1980 (iirc) is
required to have a rear fog lamp fitted to the o/s.


 
>>>Wheelnut loose (and they didn't tighten it...)
>>>
>>>washer not aiming correctly (actually it ran out as they were testing
>>>them)
>>>
>> >Foglight not working - didn't know that it ever did - the dash light
>> >and the lamp itself are inoperative???
>>
>> If you dont want the fog light, then take the light off, and cover
>> up/remove the switch. It wont be testable then. its only got to work
>> if its there.
>>
>
>That will depend entirely on what year the vehicle is... post 1980 (iirc) is
>required to have a rear fog lamp fitted to the o/s.

Only for Construction and Use regs. If it ain't there for the MOT, it
isn't testable. An MOT test only tests that things work for the road,
it is not a certificate of conformity.

Besides, sounds like you have a picky MOT tester, I don't patronise
places like that, I like sensible testers who will tighten a wheelnut
or adjust a washer, rather than fail it on stupid items like that.


Alex

 
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:48:21 GMT, "murphwiz"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Bonnet security and operation was added recently... more and more seems to
>be getting added every 6 months or so...
>
>ar the vehicle is... post 1980 (iirc) is
>required to have a rear fog lamp fitted to the o/s.
>
It is getting more complicated isnt it!. I'm gonna stick to older
cars!
 
On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "murphwiz" wrote:

> "Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eek:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:05:14 +0100, danny <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Bonnet hinge not there (the little round rubber thing was tight and
> > >had moved - squirt of WD40 cured that).
> >
> > I didnt know that bonnet hinges were a testable item?
> > >
>
> Bonnet security and operation was added recently... more and more seems to
> be getting added every 6 months or so...

News to me but, having had a bonnet fly up, I can see why.

A spare wheel on the bonnet seems a good way of holding it down.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."
 


"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >>>Wheelnut loose (and they didn't tighten it...)
> >>>
> >>>washer not aiming correctly (actually it ran out as they were testing
> >>>them)
> >>>
> >> >Foglight not working - didn't know that it ever did - the dash light
> >> >and the lamp itself are inoperative???
> >>
> >> If you dont want the fog light, then take the light off, and cover
> >> up/remove the switch. It wont be testable then. its only got to work
> >> if its there.
> >>
> >
> >That will depend entirely on what year the vehicle is... post 1980 (iirc) is
> >required to have a rear fog lamp fitted to the o/s.
>
> Only for Construction and Use regs. If it ain't there for the MOT, it
> isn't testable. An MOT test only tests that things work for the road,
> it is not a certificate of conformity.
>
> Besides, sounds like you have a picky MOT tester, I don't patronise
> places like that, I like sensible testers who will tighten a wheelnut
> or adjust a washer, rather than fail it on stupid items like that.
>
>
> Alex
>

Section 1.1 tester manual
reason for rejection
6a A mandatory rear fog lamp
is missing, does not emit a steady red light
or emits a light other than red

So forget the "if it's not there they can't fail it" thing
we've covered this before and about what is a safety item
and as far as I'm concerned a loose wheel nut
is an important safety item
Andy

--

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
Andy.Smalley wrote:
>
>
> Section 1.1 tester manual
> reason for rejection
> 6a A mandatory rear fog lamp
> is missing, does not emit a steady red light
> or emits a light other than red
>
> So forget the "if it's not there they can't fail it" thing
> we've covered this before and about what is a safety item
> and as far as I'm concerned a loose wheel nut
> is an important safety item

I agree - and I'll tighten it at inspection time.

For anyone who wants to see how nasty the NZ equivalent of a MOT is I've
posted a link below. The scary bit is it's 6 monthly for vehicles more
than 6 years old, and the section on rust is harsh.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/publications/vir-manual/


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On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "Andy.Smalley" wrote:

> "Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >>>Wheelnut loose (and they didn't tighten it...)
> > >>>
> > >>>washer not aiming correctly (actually it ran out as they were testing
> > >>>them)
> > >>>
> > >> >Foglight not working - didn't know that it ever did - the dash light
> > >> >and the lamp itself are inoperative???
> > >>
> > >> If you dont want the fog light, then take the light off, and cover
> > >> up/remove the switch. It wont be testable then. its only got to work
> > >> if its there.
> > >>
> > >
> > >That will depend entirely on what year the vehicle is... post 1980 (iirc) is
> > >required to have a rear fog lamp fitted to the o/s.
> >
> > Only for Construction and Use regs. If it ain't there for the MOT, it
> > isn't testable. An MOT test only tests that things work for the road,
> > it is not a certificate of conformity.
> >
> > Besides, sounds like you have a picky MOT tester, I don't patronise
> > places like that, I like sensible testers who will tighten a wheelnut
> > or adjust a washer, rather than fail it on stupid items like that.
>
> Section 1.1 tester manual
> reason for rejection
> 6a A mandatory rear fog lamp
> is missing, does not emit a steady red light
> or emits a light other than red
>
> So forget the "if it's not there they can't fail it" thing
> we've covered this before and about what is a safety item
> and as far as I'm concerned a loose wheel nut
> is an important safety item

Yes, it is important. I don't recall ever seeing it tested (they're
covered by those plastic discs on most cars, which I've known break
because the plastic has aged when they've had to be removed). Is this
something fairly new?

In any event, we also have the all those tyre fitters over-torquing the
nuts with a windy gun. That's a safety issue too. Is the MOT tester
expected to go round with a torque wrench?

Until I see a cite from the tester manual, I'm afraid I shall be
inclined to suspect a high bogosity level on that item.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."
 
> > >
> > > Besides, sounds like you have a picky MOT tester, I don't patronise
> > > places like that, I like sensible testers who will tighten a wheelnut
> > > or adjust a washer, rather than fail it on stupid items like that.
> >
> > Section 1.1 tester manual
> > reason for rejection
> > 6a A mandatory rear fog lamp
> > is missing, does not emit a steady red light
> > or emits a light other than red
> >
> > So forget the "if it's not there they can't fail it" thing
> > we've covered this before and about what is a safety item
> > and as far as I'm concerned a loose wheel nut
> > is an important safety item
>
> Yes, it is important. I don't recall ever seeing it tested (they're
> covered by those plastic discs on most cars, which I've known break
> because the plastic has aged when they've had to be removed). Is this
> something fairly new?
>
> In any event, we also have the all those tyre fitters over-torquing the
> nuts with a windy gun. That's a safety issue too. Is the MOT tester
> expected to go round with a torque wrench?
>
> Until I see a cite from the tester manual, I'm afraid I shall be
> inclined to suspect a high bogosity level on that item.
>

MOT tester manual section 4.2 roadwheels page 9
Reason for rejection 1c
"loose or missing wheel nut(s), Stud(s) or Bolt(s)"

but the tester cannot remove the wheel trim
so makes a bit of a joke of the thing dunt it

Andy
--
SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
Andy.Smalley wrote:
> MOT tester manual section 4.2 roadwheels page 9
> Reason for rejection 1c
> "loose or missing wheel nut(s), Stud(s) or Bolt(s)"
>
> but the tester cannot remove the wheel trim
> so makes a bit of a joke of the thing dunt it
>


For the Irish NCT (National Car Test), wheel trims must be removed
before the test.

See point 4-
http://www.ncts.ie/preparing_for.html

It'll fail if the inspector can't get at the wheel nuts/studs.
The tests are done in official Test Centres which do nothing else but
test cars, and the testers can't/won't adjust/fix anything. They test
the vehicle as presented.

Our commercial vehicle test (DOE - Department of the Environment) is
much more like your MOT- done in commercial garages by sensible people
(mostly!) :)



Ivor.
 
David G. Bell wrote:

> On Wednesday, in article
> <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "murphwiz" wrote:
>
>> "Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:eek:[email protected]...
>> > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:05:14 +0100, danny <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >Bonnet hinge not there (the little round rubber thing was tight and
>> > >had moved - squirt of WD40 cured that).
>> >
>> > I didnt know that bonnet hinges were a testable item?
>> > >
>>
>> Bonnet security and operation was added recently... more and more seems
>> to be getting added every 6 months or so...
>
> News to me but, having had a bonnet fly up, I can see why.
>
> A spare wheel on the bonnet seems a good way of holding it down.
>

Go the whole hog - spare wheel, normal primary and secondary catches, rubber
lashdowns at the outer edges, through-bonnet pins and leather buckle type
lashdowns as well.

Now watch the tester curse you until you glow when they go to do a diesel
smoke test and try to open the bonnet.

P.

--
The email address above is real.

http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/
 

"Andy.Smalley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > Besides, sounds like you have a picky MOT tester, I don't patronise
> > > > places like that, I like sensible testers who will tighten a
wheelnut
> > > > or adjust a washer, rather than fail it on stupid items like that
>
> MOT tester manual section 4.2 roadwheels page 9
> Reason for rejection 1c
> "loose or missing wheel nut(s), Stud(s) or Bolt(s)"
>
> but the tester cannot remove the wheel trim
> so makes a bit of a joke of the thing dunt it
>

According to the man from the ministry who inspected us this week.. things
will be changing in a fairly radical way, but will be introduced over time
to avoid mass re-certification for testers.


 



"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David G. Bell wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, in article
> > <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] "murphwiz" wrote:
> >
> >> "Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:eek:[email protected]...
> >> > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:05:14 +0100, danny <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >Bonnet hinge not there (the little round rubber thing was tight and
> >> > >had moved - squirt of WD40 cured that).
> >> >
> >> > I didnt know that bonnet hinges were a testable item?
> >> > >
> >>
> >> Bonnet security and operation was added recently... more and more seems
> >> to be getting added every 6 months or so...
> >
> > News to me but, having had a bonnet fly up, I can see why.
> >
> > A spare wheel on the bonnet seems a good way of holding it down.
> >
>
> Go the whole hog - spare wheel, normal primary and secondary catches, rubber
> lashdowns at the outer edges, through-bonnet pins and leather buckle type
> lashdowns as well.
>
> Now watch the tester curse you until you glow when they go to do a diesel
> smoke test and try to open the bonnet.
>
> P.
>

No he won't curse he'll just send you away
"refusal to test"
on the other hand you could be nice to him and see
if that gets you any brownie points

Andy

--
SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
Andy.Smalley wrote:

>
>
>
> "Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> David G. Bell wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, in article
>> > <[email protected]>
>> > [email protected] "murphwiz" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:eek:[email protected]...
>> >> > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:05:14 +0100, danny
>> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >Bonnet hinge not there (the little round rubber thing was tight and
>> >> > >had moved - squirt of WD40 cured that).
>> >> >
>> >> > I didnt know that bonnet hinges were a testable item?
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> >> Bonnet security and operation was added recently... more and more
>> >> seems to be getting added every 6 months or so...
>> >
>> > News to me but, having had a bonnet fly up, I can see why.
>> >
>> > A spare wheel on the bonnet seems a good way of holding it down.
>> >
>>
>> Go the whole hog - spare wheel, normal primary and secondary catches,
>> rubber lashdowns at the outer edges, through-bonnet pins and leather
>> buckle type lashdowns as well.
>>
>> Now watch the tester curse you until you glow when they go to do a diesel
>> smoke test and try to open the bonnet.
>>
>> P.
>>
>
> No he won't curse he'll just send you away
> "refusal to test"
> on the other hand you could be nice to him and see
> if that gets you any brownie points
>

On the grounds of the bonnet being correctly secured?

It may be awkward, but it's still openable and if any of those lashings were
undone I bet he'd fail for insecure fixings.

P.
--
The email address above is real.

http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/
 
> >> Go the whole hog - spare wheel, normal primary and secondary catches,
> >> rubber lashdowns at the outer edges, through-bonnet pins and leather
> >> buckle type lashdowns as well.
> >>
> >> Now watch the tester curse you until you glow when they go to do a diesel
> >> smoke test and try to open the bonnet.
> >>
> >> P.
> >>
> >
> > No he won't curse he'll just send you away
> > "refusal to test"
> > on the other hand you could be nice to him and see
> > if that gets you any brownie points
> >
>
> On the grounds of the bonnet being correctly secured?
>
> It may be awkward, but it's still openable and if any of those lashings were
> undone I bet he'd fail for insecure fixings.
>
> P.


Point taken but I'd make you do it then fasten it up afterwards to make sure
it's secure and then look extra hard for something to fail it on.

I try to be as fair a tester as I can, I've passed vehicle that should
technically fail but I try to apply a bit of common sense, I've adjusted
headlights,changed bulbs and spent 20 mins trying to get a vehicle
through the emission test ( about 8 attempts instead of one)
not something that's approved of by the ministry

But if you come in and **** me off by making my job difficult
I think you've got something to hide so I look even harder

There are many areas that are open to interpretation and the ministry
people will always back up a tester on these areas

I normally test my own vehicles probably to a higher standard than
Joe Public this is because my kids travel in them
Most of the thing the OP listed were safety items I'd want them put right

Andy
--
SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
Andy.Smalley wrote:

>> >> Go the whole hog - spare wheel, normal primary and secondary catches,
>> >> rubber lashdowns at the outer edges, through-bonnet pins and leather
>> >> buckle type lashdowns as well.
>> >>
>> >> Now watch the tester curse you until you glow when they go to do a
>> >> diesel smoke test and try to open the bonnet.
>> >>
>> >> P.
>> >>
>> >
>> > No he won't curse he'll just send you away
>> > "refusal to test"
>> > on the other hand you could be nice to him and see
>> > if that gets you any brownie points
>> >
>>
>> On the grounds of the bonnet being correctly secured?
>>
>> It may be awkward, but it's still openable and if any of those lashings
>> were undone I bet he'd fail for insecure fixings.
>>
>> P.
>
>
> Point taken but I'd make you do it then fasten it up afterwards to make
> sure it's secure and then look extra hard for something to fail it on.
>
> I try to be as fair a tester as I can, I've passed vehicle that should
> technically fail but I try to apply a bit of common sense, I've adjusted
> headlights,changed bulbs and spent 20 mins trying to get a vehicle
> through the emission test ( about 8 attempts instead of one)
> not something that's approved of by the ministry
>
> But if you come in and **** me off by making my job difficult
> I think you've got something to hide so I look even harder
>
> There are many areas that are open to interpretation and the ministry
> people will always back up a tester on these areas
>
> I normally test my own vehicles probably to a higher standard than
> Joe Public this is because my kids travel in them
> Most of the thing the OP listed were safety items I'd want them put right
>

No argument. If it had just been a wheel nut, would you let the OP just dig
out his brace, nip it up and then pass it, assuming he hadn't annoyed you?

P.
--
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http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/
 
"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andy.Smalley wrote:
>
> >> >> Go the whole hog - spare wheel, normal primary and secondary catches,
> >> >> rubber lashdowns at the outer edges, through-bonnet pins and leather
> >> >> buckle type lashdowns as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now watch the tester curse you until you glow when they go to do a
> >> >> diesel smoke test and try to open the bonnet.
> >> >>
> >> >> P.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No he won't curse he'll just send you away
> >> > "refusal to test"
> >> > on the other hand you could be nice to him and see
> >> > if that gets you any brownie points
> >> >
> >>
> >> On the grounds of the bonnet being correctly secured?
> >>
> >> It may be awkward, but it's still openable and if any of those lashings
> >> were undone I bet he'd fail for insecure fixings.
> >>
> >> P.
> >
> >
> > Point taken but I'd make you do it then fasten it up afterwards to make
> > sure it's secure and then look extra hard for something to fail it on.
> >
> > I try to be as fair a tester as I can, I've passed vehicle that should
> > technically fail but I try to apply a bit of common sense, I've adjusted
> > headlights,changed bulbs and spent 20 mins trying to get a vehicle
> > through the emission test ( about 8 attempts instead of one)
> > not something that's approved of by the ministry
> >
> > But if you come in and **** me off by making my job difficult
> > I think you've got something to hide so I look even harder
> >
> > There are many areas that are open to interpretation and the ministry
> > people will always back up a tester on these areas
> >
> > I normally test my own vehicles probably to a higher standard than
> > Joe Public this is because my kids travel in them
> > Most of the thing the OP listed were safety items I'd want them put right
> >
>
> No argument. If it had just been a wheel nut, would you let the OP just dig
> out his brace, nip it up and then pass it, assuming he hadn't annoyed you?
>
> P.

Probably done it myself
I've used to dread taking my car for the MOT so I tend to look from the
other angle as well
If it can be put right before I have to make out a fail sheet I'll pass it
I have been known to supply and fit bulbs free of charge as well (normally
requires a short skirt)
I find it' easier to write out a pass certificate than a fail sheet

Andy
--
SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
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