Is this an MOT failure? With Pic...

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The recent MOT I had did not fail it on this, but I am wondering if is was just un-noticed or whether it should have been an actual failure. Is it even dangerous?

I think (please correct me if wrong) that my N/S lower ball joint has gone south. See pic. Please ignore N/S TRE in shot, I am still trying to get that off.

There seems to be a disc that is torn, it freely spins around. What is weird, comparing it to the other side, there is no rubber boot/gaiter at all on this side.

Thanks in advance.
 

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Yes that's now a failure - up until 1st Jan this year as long as the ball joint was in good nick it would have passed. Now all ball-joint gaiters must be sound.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
Yes that's now a failure - up until 1st Jan this year as long as the ball joint was in good nick it would have passed. Now all ball-joint gaiters must be sound.
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Oh, thought so......

From what I read on here this is not an easy job due to the fact the joints need to be pressed in and aligned. Is that correct?

Looks ok to drive to a garage to have this done if it is a nightmare job.

Cheers
 
davesdisco said:
i had a shogun once it had split ball joint rubbers because there was no play the mot guy said it was ok
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Ah, the good old days when MoT Test regulations were somewhat slacker than they are now. For the last two years you'd get an advisory for split gaiters. Now it is a fail.
 
Taking a closer look at mine:
N/S upper and lower are shot.
O/S upper is shot, lower is fairly new looking.

So I need 3, but I am guessing may as well get all 4 done. :-(
 
Is an MOT not a safety check at the end of the day?

A split rubber does not effect the performance of the ball joint, if it has play in it granted fail, but a sodding rubber boot with a split being a fail are they taking the **** these day.

Its like failing on not fitting anti squeal shims in our brake pads.
 
loudandproud205 said:
Is an MOT not a safety check at the end of the day?

A split rubber does not effect the performance of the ball joint, if it has play in it granted fail, but a sodding rubber boot with a split being a fail are they taking the **** these day.

Its like failing on not fitting anti squeal shims in our brake pads.
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The vast majority of regulations these days are to artificially boost the economy - the more money forcibly released back into the economy (rather than sitting in your account) the more the thieves in Westminster and the treasury can get their hands on (they get a cut of most transactions) and the more work there is for the populous of this forcibly over-populated island - it's capitalized socialism. Example: Tax large cars to the point where it takes a huge chuck of your income to run one (citing Eco-nonsense as justification) and then introduce child seat laws to force small families into big cars!

We are no longer citizens - we are tax slaves.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
We are no longer citizens - we are tax slaves.
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We always have been. We have always had some of the highest levels of taxation of any other nation. Quite often we're taxed on the same item multiple times too. Even road tax has VAT on it.
 
Bix said:
We always have been. We have always had some of the highest levels of taxation of any other nation. Quite often we're taxed on the same item multiple times too. Even road tax has VAT on it.
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Which is illegal of course as VED has no actual value as it's a tax - nor does fuel duty - which is also illegally taxed - how can you apply a tax to a tax? Especially VAT which is supposed to be a tax on the value of an item.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
Which is illegal of course as VED has no actual value as it's a tax - nor does fuel duty - which is also illegally taxed - how can you apply a tax to a tax? Especially VAT which is supposed to be a tax on the value of an item.
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It isn't tax as such, it is duty. The duty makes up the value allowing them to tax it. If they didn't tax duty, fuel would be about 20p cheaper.
 
Bix said:
It isn't tax as such, it is duty. The duty makes up the value allowing them to tax it. If they didn't tax duty, fuel would be about 20p cheaper.
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But a duty has not intrinsic value - it is a tax - how can you apply a VALUE tax on something that cannot be bought or sold? I don't know if you realise VAT can be applied on an item based on the economic value of an item, if you import a guitar from the US for example it will be taxed nominally (+20%) but if you try to sneak it through customs, the revenue officers will look up the market value of the guitar and apply VAT to that (the value of the item in the UK - not the smaller sum you actually paid for it in the States.)

Fuel duty has no value - therfore applying VAT to it is technically illegal.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
The vast majority of regulations these days are to artificially boost the economy - the more money forcibly released back into the economy (rather than sitting in your account) the more the thieves in Westminster and the treasury can get their hands on (they get a cut of most transactions) and the more work there is for the populous of this forcibly over-populated island - it's capitalized socialism. Example: Tax large cars to the point where it takes a huge chuck of your income to run one (citing Eco-nonsense as justification) and then introduce child seat laws to force small families into big cars!

We are no longer citizens - we are tax slaves.
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I could not agree more:mad:
 
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