Hummers, are they really that good?

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Fred Labrosse wrote:
> Alex wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:36:58 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"aghasee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:eek:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>Judge for yourself...
>>>>http://www.micom.net/oops/Hummer.jpg
>>>
>>>Too wide, too heavy, too thirsty, too unreliable, too expensive.
>>>
>>
>>Mm, but you can roll any vehicle if you try hard enough...
>
>
> Very difficult with a 2CV.
>
> Fred
>
Just give it a good shove at the top of the doors - it isn't that heavy.
Or do you mean whilst driving? :)

Stuart
 
Fred Labrosse wrote:

||| Mm, but you can roll any vehicle if you try hard enough...
||
|| Very difficult with a 2CV.

Almost impossible to roll, or to skid, come to that, even on a wet road.
Light weight and low power mean you can corner with the door-handles
scraping the kerb, under complete control. I miss mine really badly (and
the Dyane that followed it). I bought a copy of Practical Classics the
other day, and there a green one advertised in there for 600 notes. I'm so
tempted.

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Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:

> Fred Labrosse wrote:
> > Alex wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:36:58 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"aghasee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:eek:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>>Judge for yourself...
> >>>>http://www.micom.net/oops/Hummer.jpg
> >>>
> >>>Too wide, too heavy, too thirsty, too unreliable, too expensive.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Mm, but you can roll any vehicle if you try hard enough...
> >
> >
> > Very difficult with a 2CV.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> Just give it a good shove at the top of the doors - it isn't that heavy.
> Or do you mean whilst driving? :)
>
> Stuart

The easies vehicle in the world to work on - need to change the diff?
Just roll it over on it's side.....

Richard

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beamendsltd wrote:

|| The easies vehicle in the world to work on - need to change the diff?
|| Just roll it over on it's side.....

I remember reading an article on chassis welding in one of the comics by
Chris Perfect. He said he had done a lot of welding to the underside of his
trialler, but it was made easy by the fact that he just got a big mate and
put it on its side. Simple solutions are always best.

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Richard Brookman wrote:
> beamendsltd wrote:
>
>>> The easies vehicle in the world to work on - need to change the
>>> diff? Just roll it over on it's side.....
>
> I remember reading an article on chassis welding in one of the comics
> by Chris Perfect. He said he had done a lot of welding to the
> underside of his trialler, but it was made easy by the fact that he
> just got a big mate and put it on its side. Simple solutions are
> always best.

My brother has a reputation for doing that while trialling often with me onboard!

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GbH wrote:

|| Richard Brookman wrote:
||| beamendsltd wrote:
|||
||||| The easies vehicle in the world to work on - need to change the
||||| diff? Just roll it over on it's side.....
|||
||| I remember reading an article on chassis welding in one of the
||| comics by Chris Perfect. He said he had done a lot of welding to
||| the underside of his trialler, but it was made easy by the fact
||| that he just got a big mate and put it on its side. Simple
||| solutions are always best.
||
|| My brother has a reputation for doing that while trialling often
|| with me onboard!

What, while doing the welding? Reeeeee - spect.

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"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Fred Labrosse wrote:
>
> ||| Mm, but you can roll any vehicle if you try hard enough...
> ||
> || Very difficult with a 2CV.
>
> Almost impossible to roll, or to skid, come to that, even on a wet road.
> Light weight and low power mean you can corner with the door-handles
> scraping the kerb, under complete control. I miss mine really badly (and
> the Dyane that followed it). I bought a copy of Practical Classics the
> other day, and there a green one advertised in there for 600 notes. I'm
> so tempted.
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
>
Nope I can't buy that despite the fact in normal use you would be blowing
chunks long before the tin snail rolled, all you need is a little help from
Hamster and friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=almEFzjCDoE

Derek


 
Derek wrote:

|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote
|| in message news:[email protected]...
||| Fred Labrosse wrote:
|||
|||||| Mm, but you can roll any vehicle if you try hard enough...
|||||
||||| Very difficult with a 2CV.
|||
||| Almost impossible to roll, or to skid, come to that, even on a wet
||| road. Light weight and low power mean you can corner with the
||| door-handles scraping the kerb, under complete control. I miss
||| mine really badly (and the Dyane that followed it). I bought a
||| copy of Practical Classics the other day, and there a green one
||| advertised in there for 600 notes. I'm so tempted.
|||
||| --
||| Rich
||| ==============================
|||
|| Nope I can't buy that despite the fact in normal use you would be
|| blowing chunks long before the tin snail rolled, all you need is a
|| little help from Hamster and friends
||
|| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=almEFzjCDoE
||
|| Derek

Nah, that was just a gentle unplanned deviation for the intended route. And
it landed back on its wheels too.

That clip made me really unhappy!

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On or around Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:44:50 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Nah, that was just a gentle unplanned deviation for the intended route. And
>it landed back on its wheels too.
>
>That clip made me really unhappy!

whereas this one is rather droll...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6f0tFPMfLE&NR
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Boswell's "Johnson".
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:44:50 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
|||
||| Nah, that was just a gentle unplanned deviation for the intended
||| route. And it landed back on its wheels too.
|||
||| That clip made me really unhappy!
||
|| whereas this one is rather droll...
||
|| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6f0tFPMfLE&NR
|| --
|| Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
|| "Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
|| Boswell's "Johnson".

Seen that on a few ranges - excellent sport.

Here's one very similar to what happened to me -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5rdHlMsJG8&NR

- the only sort-of serious accident I have had. In a real-world accident
they are fairly crash-proof.

I said fairly. I walked away from mine, although my passenger had a fair
bit of whiplash. The floor-pan was bent in a V and touching the ground
afterwards.

New floor-pan and a few bits and bobs for the front, and she was like new.
The car, not the passenger.

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On or around Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:16:06 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Here's one very similar to what happened to me -
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5rdHlMsJG8&NR
>
>- the only sort-of serious accident I have had. In a real-world accident
>they are fairly crash-proof.
>

related links beside that has a crash-test of a Ford F150. folds up most
impressively for a big 'merrican lump of iron.
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:14:46 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>On or around Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:16:06 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Here's one very similar to what happened to me -
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5rdHlMsJG8&NR
>>
>>- the only sort-of serious accident I have had. In a real-world accident
>>they are fairly crash-proof.
>>
>
>related links beside that has a crash-test of a Ford F150. folds up most
>impressively for a big 'merrican lump of iron.

whoa, would not want to have smash in one of them.....
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ROT13 me....
 
On or around Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:50:43 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:14:46 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>>On or around Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:16:06 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>Here's one very similar to what happened to me -
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5rdHlMsJG8&NR
>>>
>>>- the only sort-of serious accident I have had. In a real-world accident
>>>they are fairly crash-proof.
>>>
>>
>>related links beside that has a crash-test of a Ford F150. folds up most
>>impressively for a big 'merrican lump of iron.
>
>whoa, would not want to have smash in one of them.....

dunno how fast the crash test was, mind. but they're not silly-fast. Mind
you, it's all about crumple zones and dissipating energy, innit. problem is
it leaves you needing a new truck.
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I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:50:43 +0100, Simon Isaacs
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:14:46 +0100, Austin Shackles
||| <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
|||
|||| On or around Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:16:06 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|||| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||||
||||| Here's one very similar to what happened to me -
|||||
||||| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5rdHlMsJG8&NR
|||||
||||| - the only sort-of serious accident I have had. In a real-world
||||| accident they are fairly crash-proof.
|||||
||||
|||| related links beside that has a crash-test of a Ford F150. folds
|||| up most impressively for a big 'merrican lump of iron.
|||
||| whoa, would not want to have smash in one of them.....
||
|| dunno how fast the crash test was, mind. but they're not
|| silly-fast. Mind you, it's all about crumple zones and dissipating
|| energy, innit. problem is it leaves you needing a new truck.

Dunno - if you kind of ignore the bodywork and watch the dummy driver,
there's nowhere for his legs or torso to be after the crash, and his head's
somewhere behind the front wheel after it's been pushed back. I'd reckon on
100% mortality for that one.

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On or around Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:06:30 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>|| dunno how fast the crash test was, mind. but they're not
>|| silly-fast. Mind you, it's all about crumple zones and dissipating
>|| energy, innit. problem is it leaves you needing a new truck.
>
>Dunno - if you kind of ignore the bodywork and watch the dummy driver,
>there's nowhere for his legs or torso to be after the crash, and his head's
>somewhere behind the front wheel after it's been pushed back. I'd reckon on
>100% mortality for that one.

yeah, doesn't look too impressive, I admit.

'ere, this is a good 'un:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAuxs81K_PU&mode=related&search=

Smart vs. Merc S600 - 's not the foregone conclusion you'd expect.
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Austin Shackles wrote:

|| On or around Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:06:30 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| Austin Shackles wrote:
|||
||||| dunno how fast the crash test was, mind. but they're not
||||| silly-fast. Mind you, it's all about crumple zones and
||||| dissipating energy, innit. problem is it leaves you needing a
||||| new truck.
|||
||| Dunno - if you kind of ignore the bodywork and watch the dummy
||| driver, there's nowhere for his legs or torso to be after the
||| crash, and his head's somewhere behind the front wheel after it's
||| been pushed back. I'd reckon on 100% mortality for that one.
||
|| yeah, doesn't look too impressive, I admit.
||
|| 'ere, this is a good 'un:
||
|| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAuxs81K_PU&mode=related&search=
||
|| Smart vs. Merc S600 - 's not the foregone conclusion you'd expect.

Shows how cars of different masses behave - the Merc barely moves, whereas
the Smart bounces around like a child's toy. The extent of damage was
roughly equivalent, but I know which I would rather have been in.

And I guess we've all seen this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s

As VBH says, the Smart can survive a horrendous crash, but it's likely the
passengers would not.

Ain't no substitute for decent mass, a proper chassis (and good seat belts).

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On or around Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:06:28 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>|| Smart vs. Merc S600 - 's not the foregone conclusion you'd expect.
>
>Shows how cars of different masses behave - the Merc barely moves, whereas
>the Smart bounces around like a child's toy. The extent of damage was
>roughly equivalent, but I know which I would rather have been in.

I was surprised how mangled the merc was. Looks like the door took quite a
lot of force to open.

The crash test dummies seems to get green paint or something which I assume
is "flesh wounds" or somesuch. Apart from being thrown about, the pair in
the Smart seemed to come off quite well.

>And I guess we've all seen this one:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s

I hadn't, in fact. much mayhem - I honestly wouldn't expect to survive 70
mph into a concrete barrier in any vehicle... like they say - the passenger
cell is more or less intact, but decelerating from 70 to 0 in about a second
is more than the human body is designed to do.
>
>Ain't no substitute for decent mass, a proper chassis (and good seat belts).

decent mass and a proper chassis in that scenario would just add to the
collision energy and probably make the deceleration even more severe.
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And miles to go before I sleep."
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Austin Shackles wrote:

||| Ain't no substitute for decent mass, a proper chassis (and good
||| seat belts).
||
|| decent mass and a proper chassis in that scenario would just add to
|| the collision energy and probably make the deceleration even more
|| severe.

Or just bash the concrete out of the way?

"I'm a-comin' thruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!"

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I don't mind the exterior, but once I actually got in one at the DC
autoshow I felt very claustraphobic - the windows were too small for my
liking.

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-09-23, Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Looking at the wheels thrust skywards? I didn't notice that. The
> > wheels have remained remarkably parallel, too, as you would expect
> > with a beam axle - perhaps I'm not yet convinced!
>
> OK, then just go and look at some pictures of the H1 and the H2, they
> are very different, it's easy to see that the one on its roof is the
> H1, the front, the ramp-over angles, the single cab and pickup body
> etc. Look at the styling on the two types of truck and see for
> yourself.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

 
I don't mind the exterior, but once I actually got in one at the DC
autoshow I felt very claustraphobic - the windows were too small for my
liking.

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-09-23, Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Looking at the wheels thrust skywards? I didn't notice that. The
> > wheels have remained remarkably parallel, too, as you would expect
> > with a beam axle - perhaps I'm not yet convinced!
>
> OK, then just go and look at some pictures of the H1 and the H2, they
> are very different, it's easy to see that the one on its roof is the
> H1, the front, the ramp-over angles, the single cab and pickup body
> etc. Look at the styling on the two types of truck and see for
> yourself.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

 
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