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On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i need to know
about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?

Ta

Nige


 

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i need to know
> about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?
>


Since it is not needed there is no provision for doing it. Since you are
particularly anal and wish to do so, either slacken a pipe and run the
engine until oil stops running or just remove a joint from the reservoir
feed and drain the greater part but not all of the oil.
Personally I'd rather watch Emerdale, but whatever floats your boat ;-)

Huw


 

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i need to
>> know about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?
>>

>
> Since it is not needed there is no provision for doing it. Since you are
> particularly anal and wish to do so, either slacken a pipe and run the
> engine until oil stops running or just remove a joint from the reservoir
> feed and drain the greater part but not all of the oil.
> Personally I'd rather watch Emerdale, but whatever floats your boat ;-)
>
> Huw
>


I mixed D2 in with D3 by mistake!

Hence my requirment...........

Nige


 
On or around Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:19:50 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i need to
>>> know about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?
>>>

>>
>> Since it is not needed there is no provision for doing it. Since you are
>> particularly anal and wish to do so, either slacken a pipe and run the
>> engine until oil stops running or just remove a joint from the reservoir
>> feed and drain the greater part but not all of the oil.
>> Personally I'd rather watch Emerdale, but whatever floats your boat ;-)
>>
>> Huw
>>

>
>I mixed D2 in with D3 by mistake!
>
>Hence my requirment...........


ooops.

find the lowest point, undo hose, run engine at idle till no more comes out.
probably turn it from lock to lock a few times. You may also have to bleed
it when you refill or it might bleed itself.

putting the front of the motor on stands so the wheels are off the deck will
make it easier for the lock-to-lock bit.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
Agricola, 30
 

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i need to
>>> know about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?
>>>

>>
>> Since it is not needed there is no provision for doing it. Since you are
>> particularly anal and wish to do so, either slacken a pipe and run the
>> engine until oil stops running or just remove a joint from the reservoir
>> feed and drain the greater part but not all of the oil.
>> Personally I'd rather watch Emerdale, but whatever floats your boat ;-)
>>
>> Huw
>>

>
> I mixed D2 in with D3 by mistake!
>
> Hence my requirment...........
>


If you mean Dexron II mixed with Dexron III, don't worry about it. They are
completely compatible, miscible, interchangeable, mixable and altogether
lovely. You don't have to miss Emmerdale after all.

Huw


 
Huw wrote:
> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i
>>>> need to know about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Since it is not needed there is no provision for doing it. Since
>>> you are particularly anal and wish to do so, either slacken a
>>> pipe and run the engine until oil stops running or just remove a
>>> joint from the reservoir feed and drain the greater part but not
>>> all of the oil. Personally I'd rather watch Emerdale, but whatever floats your
>>> boat ;-) Huw
>>>

>>
>> I mixed D2 in with D3 by mistake!
>>
>> Hence my requirment...........
>>

>
> If you mean Dexron II mixed with Dexron III, don't worry about it.
> They are completely compatible, miscible, interchangeable, mixable
> and altogether lovely. You don't have to miss Emmerdale after all.
>
> Huw


Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my steering. Round town it's fine,
on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the centre, it wont got all the way
into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.

Any ideas on that?

Nige


 

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Huw wrote:
>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i
>>>>> need to know about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since it is not needed there is no provision for doing it. Since
>>>> you are particularly anal and wish to do so, either slacken a
>>>> pipe and run the engine until oil stops running or just remove a
>>>> joint from the reservoir feed and drain the greater part but not
>>>> all of the oil. Personally I'd rather watch Emerdale, but whatever
>>>> floats your
>>>> boat ;-) Huw
>>>>
>>>
>>> I mixed D2 in with D3 by mistake!
>>>
>>> Hence my requirment...........
>>>

>>
>> If you mean Dexron II mixed with Dexron III, don't worry about it.
>> They are completely compatible, miscible, interchangeable, mixable
>> and altogether lovely. You don't have to miss Emmerdale after all.
>>
>> Huw

>
> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my
> steering. Round town it's fine, on the motorway etc it just feels dead &
> whilst it does return to the centre, it wont got all the way into the ctr
> meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>
> Any ideas on that?


YES.

It's called a wheel alignment :eek:)
Have you knocked / bent the track rod at all?
Worth checking.

Plenty of toe in will make it dull to steer, toe out will make it initially
turn in quicker but then lead to understeer.
Best to have a little toe in to keep it stable at speed.

--
Andy


 
> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my
steering. Round town it's fine,
> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the

centre, it wont got all the way
> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>
> Any ideas on that?


You could try increasing front tyre pressures a bit. LR say 28 for my 300TDi
Disco but it runs much better at 32-34 - I am currently keeping an eye out
for excessive tyre wear in the centre though.
TonyB


 
Fuzzy wrote:
> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:D[email protected]...
>> Huw wrote:
>>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> On my P38, cant see any obvious way of doing it? Any issues i
>>>>>> need to know about? What is the capacity of D3 needed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since it is not needed there is no provision for doing it. Since
>>>>> you are particularly anal and wish to do so, either slacken a
>>>>> pipe and run the engine until oil stops running or just remove a
>>>>> joint from the reservoir feed and drain the greater part but not
>>>>> all of the oil. Personally I'd rather watch Emerdale, but
>>>>> whatever floats your
>>>>> boat ;-) Huw
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I mixed D2 in with D3 by mistake!
>>>>
>>>> Hence my requirment...........
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you mean Dexron II mixed with Dexron III, don't worry about it.
>>> They are completely compatible, miscible, interchangeable, mixable
>>> and altogether lovely. You don't have to miss Emmerdale after all.
>>>
>>> Huw

>>
>> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor
>> on my steering. Round town it's fine, on the motorway etc it just
>> feels dead & whilst it does return to the centre, it wont got all
>> the way into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>>
>> Any ideas on that?

>
> YES.
>
> It's called a wheel alignment :eek:)
> Have you knocked / bent the track rod at all?
> Worth checking.
>
> Plenty of toe in will make it dull to steer, toe out will make it
> initially turn in quicker but then lead to understeer.
> Best to have a little toe in to keep it stable at speed.


It's perfect, had it checked last week.

Nige


 
On 2006-07-06, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's perfect, had it checked last week.


Quick word of warning, I had my landy tracking checked by 3 different
places many years ago, I asked for it just to be checked and not
altered. One place claimed it toed in, another claimed they couldn't
get gauges on the wheels, and the third (ATS in Reading) claimed it
toed out and did the tracking. The staff got aggressive and
threatening when I told them that I'd asked for it just to be checked
and the manager had to step in to calm it all down.

I do all my tracking myself now, including four-wheel tracking on the
plastic rocket. When I did get all four wheels checked at Micheldever
Tyres, they were spot on. They did tell me I'd done it wrong and told
me to do it in the exact manner that the workshop manual specifically
states that it should *not* be done. Best to avoid non-specialists.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:15:12 +0100, "TonyB" <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my

>steering. Round town it's fine,
>> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the

>centre, it wont got all the way
>> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>>
>> Any ideas on that?

>
>You could try increasing front tyre pressures a bit. LR say 28 for my 300TDi
>Disco but it runs much better at 32-34 - I am currently keeping an eye out
>for excessive tyre wear in the centre though.
>TonyB
>


running that here, any less gives crap handling IMHO
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my steering. Round town it's fine,
> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the centre, it wont got all the way
> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>
> Any ideas on that?
>
> Nige


Have you checked for free-play in the steering box? With ignition lock
off, engine not running, is there more than about 1 to 1 1/2 inches of
free movement of the steering wheel? Assuming no ball joints or
steering shaft UJ's are worn (you have checked?) then you can adjust
the freeplay in the steering box. Looking down on the top of it
there's a hex socket screw with a locknut on it. Adjust this to remove
the free play, but don't overdo it, you need some. After checking,
turn steering from lock to lock without engine running to check for no
tight spots before driving off and getting stuck going round in
circles.

Also check that the alignment of the front wheels was done correctly
and that the steering box was centralised first? There's 2 marks which
have to line up in the straight ahead position, then the front wheels
are aligned and checked against the rears.

Can't say my P38 is the best handling vehicle around though, it does
require to be constantly driven, look away for a few seconds and you're
heading for the centre/side of the road. No where near as bad as my
old Series III though.

Alan C

 
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:15:12 +0100, TonyB wrote:

> You could try increasing front tyre pressures a bit.


And check the relative wear of the tyres front to back. My DII was
"vague" in the steering department. New(ish) tyres on the front pretty
worn on the rear, swapped 'em front to rear and I could tell that the
handling was much improved in the first 50yds... Not 100% conclusive as
the tyre makes were different but something worth bearing in mind.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On or around Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:34:23 +0100, "Fuzzy" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>
>It's called a wheel alignment :eek:)
>Have you knocked / bent the track rod at all?
>Worth checking.


well worth. that and steering rod joints, very little play in one of them
can make vague steering.
>
>Plenty of toe in will make it dull to steer, toe out will make it initially
>turn in quicker but then lead to understeer.
>Best to have a little toe in to keep it stable at speed.


extra toe-out IME makes 'em twitchy when going straight - sounds a bit like
what was described, needs constant little tweaks to keep it online.

I found the 110 and the early discos run nicely set parallel.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:15:12 +0100, "TonyB"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my

>steering. Round town it's fine,
>> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the

>centre, it wont got all the way
>> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>>
>> Any ideas on that?

>
>You could try increasing front tyre pressures a bit. LR say 28 for my 300TDi
>Disco but it runs much better at 32-34 - I am currently keeping an eye out
>for excessive tyre wear in the centre though.


you won't get any - discos at standard book pressure wear the edges. I find
36 works well.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my
steering. Round town it's fine,
> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the

centre, it wont got all the way
> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>
> Any ideas on that?
>
> Nige
>
>

Does your vehicle have a steeing damper? I dinged mine on the Discovery
once, and it stopped the self centering working.

Cheers!
Graham


 
On or around 6 Jul 2006 14:52:40 -0700, [email protected] enlightened us
thusly:

>> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my steering. Round town it's fine,
>> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the centre, it wont got all the way
>> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>>
>> Any ideas on that?
>>
>> Nige

>
>Have you checked for free-play in the steering box? With ignition lock
>off, engine not running, is there more than about 1 to 1 1/2 inches of
>free movement of the steering wheel? Assuming no ball joints or
>steering shaft UJ's are worn (you have checked?) then you can adjust
>the freeplay in the steering box. Looking down on the top of it
>there's a hex socket screw with a locknut on it. Adjust this to remove
>the free play, but don't overdo it, you need some. After checking,
>turn steering from lock to lock without engine running to check for no
>tight spots before driving off and getting stuck going round in
>circles.


too tight a steering box can give similar symptoms of inadequate
self-centering.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On or around 6 Jul 2006 14:52:40 -0700, [email protected] enlightened
> us
> thusly:
>
>>> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor on my
>>> steering. Round town it's fine,
>>> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to the
>>> centre, it wont got all the way
>>> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on that?
>>>
>>> Nige

>>
>>Have you checked for free-play in the steering box? With ignition lock
>>off, engine not running, is there more than about 1 to 1 1/2 inches of
>>free movement of the steering wheel? Assuming no ball joints or
>>steering shaft UJ's are worn (you have checked?) then you can adjust
>>the freeplay in the steering box. Looking down on the top of it
>>there's a hex socket screw with a locknut on it. Adjust this to remove
>>the free play, but don't overdo it, you need some. After checking,
>>turn steering from lock to lock without engine running to check for no
>>tight spots before driving off and getting stuck going round in
>>circles.

>
> too tight a steering box can give similar symptoms of inadequate
> self-centering.


There isnt a great deal of adjustment on this box either way, I'm starting
to think it might be at fault.

I'll have a good look later.


 
Graham Carter wrote:
>> Bugger, i was hoping that was causing the definate lack of castor
>> on my

> steering. Round town it's fine,
>> on the motorway etc it just feels dead & whilst it does return to
>> the

> centre, it wont got all the way
>> into the ctr meaning you have to constantly correct it.
>>
>> Any ideas on that?
>>
>> Nige
>>
>>

> Does your vehicle have a steeing damper? I dinged mine on the
> Discovery once, and it stopped the self centering working.
>
> Cheers!
> Graham


It's only 3 months old, but it could be i spose!


 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I found the 110 and the early discos run nicely set parallel.


I agree, I've just renewed both swivels and pin bearings on my knackered old
Disco and set the tracking with my Gunsons 'Tracrite' [1]tool to parallel
and it is luvlyjuvly.

I understand that the preload on the swivel pin bearings has a big influence
on the steering - stands to reason really.

I also changed the power steering oil by slackening a pipe and running the
engine til it had all ****ed out. The stuff that came out was a mud coloured
evil smelling fluid, obviously been in since 1990 - 16 years ago and clearly
goosed!

[1] The best tool I've ever purchased, it's saved me hundreds over the years
and more hundreds from premature worn tires after the muppets in fsuck fit
make a balls of it...


 
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