HELP - no gears selectable

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MrLobby

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I have just renewwed the insurance TODAY for my 88" S3 and fired it up
for the first time in about 3 months, didnt even have a flat battery.
Just fired up after 20 pumps the throttle and away it went first twist.


Drove about 1/2 mile then could not select any gears, makes no
difference if rolling, clutch in or out, engine running or not, high or
low ration selected, overdrive engaged or not.

The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.

Regards


Tony

 
MrLobby wrote:
> I have just renewwed the insurance TODAY for my 88" S3 and fired it up
> for the first time in about 3 months, didnt even have a flat battery.
> Just fired up after 20 pumps the throttle and away it went first twist.
>
>
> Drove about 1/2 mile then could not select any gears, makes no
> difference if rolling, clutch in or out, engine running or not, high or
> low ration selected, overdrive engaged or not.
>
> The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
> gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
> thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
> chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
> gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
> have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
> because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.

Have you got free wheeling hubs? If so, lock these in and then try
again in 4WD - if it now drives, your problem is more than likely a
broken rear halfshaft.

--
EMB
 
MrLobby wrote:

> I have just renewwed the insurance TODAY for my 88" S3 and fired it up
> for the first time in about 3 months, didnt even have a flat battery.
> Just fired up after 20 pumps the throttle and away it went first twist.
>
>
> Drove about 1/2 mile then could not select any gears, makes no
> difference if rolling, clutch in or out, engine running or not, high or
> low ration selected, overdrive engaged or not.
>
> The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
> gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
> thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
> chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
> gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
> have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
> because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Tony

If "no gears selectable" means no gear drives, then this is probably free
wheeling hubs plus a broken rear half shaft. If so, then the prop shafts
will turn when driving, but without effect. An unlikely but possible
alternative is the centre has broken out of the clutch plate, but I only
know of one case of this - happened to me in 1966.

If it really means you can't get any gears because the gear lever is not
doing anything it means that the bottom of the gear lever has disengaged
from the selectors, has the locating pin fallen out, or has the tip broken
off. Not a gearbox out situation, nor expensive to fix - remove floor and
transmission tunnel and all will become clear.
JD
 
On 29 Dec 2005 10:38:05 -0800, "MrLobby" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I have just renewwed the insurance TODAY for my 88" S3 and fired it up
>for the first time in about 3 months, didnt even have a flat battery.
>Just fired up after 20 pumps the throttle and away it went first twist.
>
>
>Drove about 1/2 mile then could not select any gears, makes no
>difference if rolling, clutch in or out, engine running or not, high or
>low ration selected, overdrive engaged or not.
>
>The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
>gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
>thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
>chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
>gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
>have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
>because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.

No drive at all? Could be the clutch plate has siezed on the spines
away from the flywheel, or the clutch slave cylinder has siezed. To
check anything you're gonna have to take the floor and transmission
tunnel out, check under the gear lever to see if the other end is
still present to move the selector rods. There's also an inspection
plate on the bellhousing so you can see if the clutch pressure plate
is turning when you do engage any gears.

Alex
 
MrLobby wrote:

> The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
> gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
> thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
> chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
> gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
> have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
> because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.
>
> Regards
> Tony

When you move the gear lever does it sound/feel as if any of the
selector shafts are moving? Can you hear the gears 'clunking' into position?

Does it actually feel as if you are still moving in a 'gate' or jusr
stirring nothing?

Can you twist the gear lever about a vertical axis? Have you lost/broken
the grub screw that screws into the side of the main pivot ball for the
lever? If this has gone it's possible that the ball on the end of the
lever is no longer constrained within the gate. You might be able to
waggle it back into position but that's not a long term solution.

You might be able to see something if you peel back the gear lever gaiter.
 

"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MrLobby wrote:
>
>> The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
>> gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
>> thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
>> chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
>> gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
>> have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
>> because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>
> When you move the gear lever does it sound/feel as if any of the selector
> shafts are moving? Can you hear the gears 'clunking' into position?
>
> Does it actually feel as if you are still moving in a 'gate' or jusr
> stirring nothing?
>
> Can you twist the gear lever about a vertical axis? Have you lost/broken
> the grub screw that screws into the side of the main pivot ball for the
> lever? If this has gone it's possible that the ball on the end of the
> lever is no longer constrained within the gate. You might be able to
> waggle it back into position but that's not a long term solution.
>
> You might be able to see something if you peel back the gear lever gaiter.

Thanks for all your suggestions, i will look deeper tomorrow when its
daylight again



 
In message <[email protected]>
"Tony" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > MrLobby wrote:
> >
> >> The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
> >> gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
> >> thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
> >> chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
> >> gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
> >> have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
> >> because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Tony
> >
> > When you move the gear lever does it sound/feel as if any of the selector
> > shafts are moving? Can you hear the gears 'clunking' into position?
> >
> > Does it actually feel as if you are still moving in a 'gate' or jusr
> > stirring nothing?
> >
> > Can you twist the gear lever about a vertical axis? Have you lost/broken
> > the grub screw that screws into the side of the main pivot ball for the
> > lever? If this has gone it's possible that the ball on the end of the
> > lever is no longer constrained within the gate. You might be able to
> > waggle it back into position but that's not a long term solution.
> >
> > You might be able to see something if you peel back the gear lever gaiter.
>
> Thanks for all your suggestions, i will look deeper tomorrow when its
> daylight again
>
>
>

If as above it does not feel like it engaging any gear and the stick is
just flopping about then it could just be the famous "lock out" or
whatever you want to call it. Series, and particularly SII boxes, have
this habbit of very, very occasionalydoing just as above. It only
happened to me once (slap bang in the middle of a dual carridgeway), and
half an hour of frantic gearstick waggling and a bit of language and it
went back to normal, all for no apparent reason.

Richard
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On Thursday 29 December 2005 18:38, MrLobby [[email protected]] wrote in
message <[email protected]>

> I have just renewwed the insurance TODAY for my 88" S3 and fired it up
> for the first time in about 3 months, didnt even have a flat battery.
> Just fired up after 20 pumps the throttle and away it went first twist.
>
>
> Drove about 1/2 mile then could not select any gears, makes no
> difference if rolling, clutch in or out, engine running or not, high or
> low ration selected, overdrive engaged or not.

I had that happen once on my old 2B Forward Control after rolling down
Dunmail Raise towards Grasmere in neutral. Bloody thing wouldn't go into
any gears. I pulled over, stopped everything, looked underneath at the
linkages - nothing found untoward. Got back in, suddenly all the gears came
back. Never happened again and the gearbox was otherwise very solid.

All I can guess is that a detent ball which prevents you selecting two gears
at once hasn't returned to its proper place. You might be able to reach the
caps which hold the spring-loaded bearings in place and squirt some oil
into them.

How's the oil level in the gearbox? Does it need changing?

--
S3 SWB Petrol Hard-top
 
My Stage One did that too....suddenly refused to engage any gears. I pulled
over, glared at the gearstick, and lo....it worked again. Very odd.

--
Neil


 

"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MrLobby wrote:
>
>> The gearlever has always felt fairly vague when it comes to selecting
>> gears but now it feels even more so. If its just the selector fork
>> thats 'snapped' or whatever they do then how easyu a job is it to
>> chnage . I have an old s2a gearbox laying around, and another old LR
>> gearbox that I cannot quite identify its origin. Any ideas before i
>> have to start removing boxes. Does irt sound like a box out job,
>> because its -5 here and falling and i dont really fancy that tonight.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>
> When you move the gear lever does it sound/feel as if any of the selector
> shafts are moving? Can you hear the gears 'clunking' into position?
>
> Does it actually feel as if you are still moving in a 'gate' or jusr
> stirring nothing?
>
> Can you twist the gear lever about a vertical axis? Have you lost/broken
> the grub screw that screws into the side of the main pivot ball for the
> lever? If this has gone it's possible that the ball on the end of the
> lever is no longer constrained within the gate. You might be able to
> waggle it back into position but that's not a long term solution.
>
> You might be able to see something if you peel back the gear lever gaiter.

Thanks for all your suggestions, i will look deeper tomorrow when its
daylight again



 
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