Got me self a Tig welder

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Flossie

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I've actually had it about 15 yrs, got it off eBay from a local welding supplies place, said it was a non working part exchange which they had repaired and it was all good. Knew nowt about Tig but with a couple of classic cars to restore and mig not being suitable for some jobs on them and oxy/acet bottles getting harder to (cough) get, Tig seemed ideal. First saw them being used on the tv show, orange county choppers ,welding thin stuff to thin stuff , like gas but minimal heat.
So, anyway...got this Tig, migatronic DC only (won't weld aluminium, don't care about that) and stuck it in the garage where it's stayed, unused for various reasons until yesterday.
Got it on the bench, very heavy btw, and took the panels off to give it a blow out, loads of dust inside and the cooling fan was jammed. Bit of tinkering and that was freed off.
Plugged it in and the fan worked and power on light illuminated.
Read up online how they work and also downloaded the user manual for it, borrowed a bottle of gas and had a go.
Lots of little sparks from the tip but no arc but then it did arc but only for a few seconds before back to little sparks and no go.
Whilst playing with the torch I wriggled the external torch connections on the front panel and got an electric shock off the cabinet where my upper arm was touching it.
Lots of investigation and I found the problem, poor insulation on one of the wires going to the torch trigger/gas solenoid .
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The cutout in the front panel that the wires passed through was a bit snug and the bottom wire insulation was pulled up as it was being pushed through. So fixed that and it appears to run good now to my inexperienced eye.
Trying to source some 1.2mm steel sheet at the mo so I can practice stuff and sort out my own gas bottle and get some new tungsten tips and stuff as the one in it is too thick.
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stuck fan.
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last pat test 2004 which I think is when I got it.
 
I've actually had it about 15 yrs, got it off eBay from a local welding supplies place, said it was a non working part exchange which they had repaired and it was all good. Knew nowt about Tig but with a couple of classic cars to restore and mig not being suitable for some jobs on them and oxy/acet bottles getting harder to (cough) get, Tig seemed ideal. First saw them being used on the tv show, orange county choppers ,welding thin stuff to thin stuff , like gas but minimal heat.
So, anyway...got this Tig, migatronic DC only (won't weld aluminium, don't care about that) and stuck it in the garage where it's stayed, unused for various reasons until yesterday.
Got it on the bench, very heavy btw, and took the panels off to give it a blow out, loads of dust inside and the cooling fan was jammed. Bit of tinkering and that was freed off.
Plugged it in and the fan worked and power on light illuminated.
Read up online how they work and also downloaded the user manual for it, borrowed a bottle of gas and had a go.
Lots of little sparks from the tip but no arc but then it did arc but only for a few seconds before back to little sparks and no go.
Whilst playing with the torch I wriggled the external torch connections on the front panel and got an electric shock off the cabinet where my upper arm was touching it.
Lots of investigation and I found the problem, poor insulation on one of the wires going to the torch trigger/gas solenoid .View attachment 219416
The cutout in the front panel that the wires passed through was a bit snug and the bottom wire insulation was pulled up as it was being pushed through. So fixed that and it appears to run good now to my inexperienced eye.
Trying to source some 1.2mm steel sheet at the mo so I can practice stuff and sort out my own gas bottle and get some new tungsten tips and stuff as the one in it is too thick.View attachment 219417stuck fan.View attachment 219418 View attachment 219419last pat test 2004 which I think is when I got it.

Make sure you get pure argon, and red (thoriated) tungsten.
 
Yeah, know about the argon ta.
Why red ones? What other colours are there and why?
£42 for a sheet of 1.2mm steel, 8'x 4' and I've got to go 15miles to get it.

Loads of different colours. It’s mainly to do with the metals you will be welding. You tend to find that red is used as a “general purpose” tungsten, capable of welding things like mild steel, and stainless.

Have a read here.
https://www.jasic.co.uk/post/tig-tungsten-electrode-types
 
Yeah, know about the argon ta.
Why red ones? What other colours are there and why?
£42 for a sheet of 1.2mm steel, 8'x 4' and I've got to go 15miles to get it.

on mild steel I use argoshield (cheaper than pure & you don't need pure on ms...)
if you google you'll get various arguments re. tungstens, people can have favourites on ms - I use thoriated & regurly dip:mad:
as to the price of an 8/4, jeeeeeeeeeeez:eek:

although I've not bought sheet for ages so it's probably about that:(


I had a migatronic mig set ~20 years ago, was great (replaced with a Sealey supermig 180 thats still going strong despite daily abuse:rolleyes:)


Rich.
 
Loads of different colours. It’s mainly to do with the metals you will be welding. You tend to find that red is used as a “general purpose” tungsten, capable of welding things like mild steel, and stainless.

Have a read here.
https://www.jasic.co.uk/post/tig-tungsten-electrode-types
Screenshot of recommended amp settings for the various sizes from your link.
Mine currently :rolleyes: has a red 2.4mm in it and a number 6 gas cup which seemed very controllable on the 3mm sheet I was practicing on even down to 30amps, 40amps seemed roughly perfect for that steel thickness.
Being as I will be welding 1.2mm steel on the cars and from googling it seems I need 1.6mm tungsten and a 5 or 6 cup.
The screenshot has got me thinking I should get 1mm tungsten to use the lower amp ranges?
What do you think?
 
on mild steel I use argoshield (cheaper than pure & you don't need pure on ms...)
if you google you'll get various arguments re. tungstens, people can have favourites on ms - I use thoriated & regurly dip:mad:
as to the price of an 8/4, jeeeeeeeeeeez:eek:

although I've not bought sheet for ages so it's probably about that:(


I had a migatronic mig set ~20 years ago, was great (replaced with a Sealey supermig 180 thats still going strong despite daily abuse:rolleyes:)


Rich.
Interesting about the argosheild...
I've got a butters 200amp mig, got it 20 yrs ago and it looked antique then.
Built like a tank, the wire feed motor is as big as a defender front wiper motor.
Lovely local small business guy used to sell and repair welding stuff, he converted my boc 130amp mini mig to euro torch cheaply many years ago, when I needed a bigger machine he sold me the butters one which came in broke on part exchange and had a faulty board that worked the stitch etc and he just removed the board, redid the electrics so it's just amps and wire speed now. Took a crane to lift it in and out of his delivery van, weighs a ton.
He showed me why modern machines (at the time) were smaller and lighter , lots of plastic and alloy windings and a fan to stop it all melting. No plastic or alloy on the butters and no fan, the windings are massive copper wound.
 
Just been to local weldy place, took the torch with me and got a 1.6mm tungsten and the other bits you need plus a new cup as mine was damaged.
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asked about gas and got a shock.
Hobby type hire thing...
Small bottle £215 ready filled, refill £65.
Argo same price:eek::(
 
Just been to local weldy place, took the torch with me and got a 1.6mm tungsten and the other bits you need plus a new cup as mine was damaged.View attachment 219427asked about gas and got a shock.
Hobby type hire thing...
Small bottle £215 ready filled, refill £65.
Argo same price:eek::(

He’s having your eyes out there. I paid £100 for my first bottle, and each fill is £50.
 
Screenshot of recommended amp settings for the various sizes from your link.
Mine currently :rolleyes: has a red 2.4mm in it and a number 6 gas cup which seemed very controllable on the 3mm sheet I was practicing on even down to 30amps, 40amps seemed roughly perfect for that steel thickness.
Being as I will be welding 1.2mm steel on the cars and from googling it seems I need 1.6mm tungsten and a 5 or 6 cup.
The screenshot has got me thinking I should get 1mm tungsten to use the lower amp ranges?
What do you think?

Im not to sure on recommended amp ratings vs electrode size on TIG. I would say that 95% of my TIG welding is done with 2.4mm red tungsten. The other 5% is white for aluminium.

Most of my TIG experience is welding Babbitt bearing half’s back together ready for final machining, but we did TIG weld lead lining onto various backing metals. These were usually very low amps and still used the 2.4mm tungsten. I know the guys who do thin stuff favour the smaller diameter electrode, so I do think you have gone in the correct direction. Practice on some thicker material as it’s much more forgiving, and try to keep the arc as stable as possible. Think of it more like stick/MMA than anything else. If your having trouble with arc stability and moving along, then google “walking the cup”.
 
about gas and got a shock.
Hobby type hire thing...
Small bottle £215 ready filled, refill £65.
Argo same price:eek::(

I just brought a bottle outright full for about 65 quid today to play aswell:) refills will be about 15 not sure what you class as a small bottle, mine is about 6" dia and just short of 3 ft tall. I am starting with pure Argon to see how i get on.

J
 
I just brought a bottle outright full for about 65 quid today to play aswell:) refills will be about 15 not sure what you class as a small bottle, mine is about 6" dia and just short of 3 ft tall. I am starting with pure Argon to see how i get on.

J

That’s around the same size as mine. Pure argon for TIG is the way to go, it allows the most weldability for metals.
 
If you google “hobby gas” and see who is a local supplier. That’s how I found mine.
Yes, just done it and emailed a local agent. £110 for the deposit which I assume includes the gas but got that info of the suppliers rather than the agent who is local. Waiting on the email for refill price and confirmation of deposit cost from local agent.
 
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