Gearbox oil for a 109 Series 3 petrol

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Simon Isaacs wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:51:06 +0200, Srtgray <[email protected]>
> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>
>>JD wrote:
>>
>>>Greg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>?? No Series 3 was ever fitted with either a 2.5l petrol engine
>>>>
>>>>A typo on my part, sorry, it's a 2.25 recon (I have the bill for it),
>>>>according to the seller it's a 3 bearing but I'm not sure how to tell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nor an LT77 box.
>>>>
>>>>Now I'm confused, I've heard a lot of people talk about the LT77 as the
>>>>basic S3 box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>All except the V8 had the Series 3 four speed all synchro gearbox
>>>>
>>>>Well it's 4 speed and seems to be all synchro so that's what I think I
>>>>have, what's it called then?
>>>>
>>>>Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds like it is a standard S3 box = EP90. The LT77 is a five speed box
>>>fitted to early 90/110.
>>>JD
>>
>>What was the number of the 'box on the early 110 V8 - the same four
>>speed as the Range Rover? Was it LT95 ?
>>
>>
>>Stuart
>
>
> the 110 v8 had the LT85

Hmm, OK. What is the difference between the two (apart from the
spelling - as Minnie Bannister would say, "help me, differently spelt
gearbox")

Stuart
 
Srtgray wrote:

> JD wrote:
>> Greg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>?? No Series 3 was ever fitted with either a 2.5l petrol engine
>>>
>>>A typo on my part, sorry, it's a 2.25 recon (I have the bill for it),
>>>according to the seller it's a 3 bearing but I'm not sure how to tell.
>>>
>>>
>>>>nor an LT77 box.
>>>
>>>Now I'm confused, I've heard a lot of people talk about the LT77 as the
>>>basic S3 box.
>>>
>>>
>>>>All except the V8 had the Series 3 four speed all synchro gearbox
>>>
>>>Well it's 4 speed and seems to be all synchro so that's what I think I
>>>have, what's it called then?
>>>
>>>Greg
>>
>>
>> Sounds like it is a standard S3 box = EP90. The LT77 is a five speed box
>> fitted to early 90/110.
>> JD
>
> What was the number of the 'box on the early 110 V8 - the same four
> speed as the Range Rover? Was it LT95 ?
>
>
> Stuart
LT95 - the LT85 was a five speed fitted to later models (post about 86)
unless I am mistaken.
JD
 
Srtgray wrote:

> Simon Isaacs wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:51:06 +0200, Srtgray <[email protected]>
>> scribbled the following nonsense:
>>
>>
>>> JD wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ?? No Series 3 was ever fitted with either a 2.5l petrol engine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A typo on my part, sorry, it's a 2.25 recon (I have the bill for it),
>>>>> according to the seller it's a 3 bearing but I'm not sure how to tell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> nor an LT77 box.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm confused, I've heard a lot of people talk about the LT77 as
>>>>> the
>>>>> basic S3 box.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All except the V8 had the Series 3 four speed all synchro gearbox
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well it's 4 speed and seems to be all synchro so that's what I think I
>>>>> have, what's it called then?
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like it is a standard S3 box = EP90. The LT77 is a five speed
>>>> box
>>>> fitted to early 90/110.
>>>> JD
>>>
>>>
>>> What was the number of the 'box on the early 110 V8 - the same four
>>> speed as the Range Rover? Was it LT95 ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>> the 110 v8 had the LT85
>
>
> Hmm, OK. What is the difference between the two (apart from the
> spelling - as Minnie Bannister would say, "help me, differently spelt
> gearbox")
>
> Stuart

Sorry - I'm getting confused.

LT95 was the four speed RR 'box used on the Series III with V8. It
also appeared on some 90/110 V8s.

LT85 is the five speed 90/110 V8 'box.

LT77 is the five speed 90/110 4cyl engine 'box.

I think that's right - subject to correction, of course!
 
On or around Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:46:56 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:


>
>Sorry - I'm getting confused.

SII/IIA: 4-speed, no synchro on 1st or 2nd. Transfer box with no centre
diff, part-time 4WD.

SIII: 4-speed, synchro on all forward gears, same transfer box more or less.

Stage I: LT95, I think, as per range rover of the period, full time 4WD with
centre diff (lockable) [did some LT95s have a LSD instead?], different front
axle with CV joints instead of plain UJs in the swivels.

>LT95 was the four speed RR 'box used on the Series III with V8. It
>also appeared on some 90/110 V8s.

and 101s. integral transfer box, all in the same casing, centre diff.

>LT85 is the five speed 90/110 V8 'box.

alloy main box casing, rather than black iron, I think, to distinguish
between this and the LT77. I think it also uses the LT230.
>
>LT77 is the five speed 90/110 4cyl engine 'box.

also discos, and probably one period of RRs. there's also an LT77S, ISTR,
which is some kind of upgrade. uses LT230 transfer box in one variant or
another, separate casing, lockable centre diff
>
>I think that's right - subject to correction, of course!

then you get R380 superceding the LT85/LT77. still the LT230, except for
rangies after 1989 and 4-speed auto rangies which have the Borg Warner
t-box, which is morse chain instead of gears and a viscous coupling rather
than lockable diff.


I bet I've still missed something...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:46:56 +0100, Dougal
> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
> >
> >Sorry - I'm getting confused.
>
> SII/IIA: 4-speed, no synchro on 1st or 2nd. Transfer box with no centre
> diff, part-time 4WD.
>
> SIII: 4-speed, synchro on all forward gears, same transfer box more or
less.
>
> Stage I: LT95, I think, as per range rover of the period, full time 4WD
with
> centre diff (lockable) [did some LT95s have a LSD instead?], different
front
> axle with CV joints instead of plain UJs in the swivels.
>
> >LT95 was the four speed RR 'box used on the Series III with V8. It
> >also appeared on some 90/110 V8s.
>
> and 101s. integral transfer box, all in the same casing, centre diff.
>
> >LT85 is the five speed 90/110 V8 'box.
>
> alloy main box casing, rather than black iron, I think, to distinguish
> between this and the LT77. I think it also uses the LT230.

Can't remember, but isn't it one piece like the LT95? I've repaired them and
still can't remember.

> >
> >LT77 is the five speed 90/110 4cyl engine 'box.
>
> also discos, and probably one period of RRs. there's also an LT77S, ISTR,
> which is some kind of upgrade. uses LT230 transfer box in one variant or
> another, separate casing, lockable centre diff
> >
> >I think that's right - subject to correction, of course!
>
> then you get R380 superceding the LT85/LT77. still the LT230, except for
> rangies after 1989 and 4-speed auto rangies which have the Borg Warner
> t-box, which is morse chain instead of gears and a viscous coupling rather
> than lockable diff.
>
>
> I bet I've still missed something...
>
You didn't stop for breath. ;-)

Martin.


 
Oily wrote:

||| <snip entire history of LR gearboxes>
||| I bet I've still missed something...
|||
|| You didn't stop for breath. ;-)
||
|| Martin.

Trouble is, he's probably done that from memory.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
On or around Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:25:55 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Oily wrote:
>
>||| <snip entire history of LR gearboxes>
>||| I bet I've still missed something...
>|||
>|| You didn't stop for breath. ;-)
>||
>|| Martin.
>
>Trouble is, he's probably done that from memory.

not sure where the series HBOL is - I think there are gearbox suffix letters
for the various types :) The series HBOL, being an old one, actually has
worthwhile information in it, unlike the modern ones.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero" (sieze today, and put
as little trust as you can in tomorrow) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Odes, I.xi.8
 
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:13:36 +0100, "Greg"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:146e55584e%[email protected]...
>> Actually, the steering box should be EP80.
>
>Does it make any difference ? (says he having just bought 10l of EP90 to go
>over the whole vehicle...)

Is 10L enough? I'm sure i worked it out for a whole landy in the past
and it came to 14L or something.

Remember you have:

Front diff
Rear Diff
Transfer Box
Gearbox
Overdrive (if fitted)
2 Front hubs

All using EP90.

Ive been putting EP90 into my steering box for years and it has made
ot no worse! :)

Also - dont fill either the steering box or the hubs right before your
MOT as it will show up leaks and you may regret it!

Should the steering thingy that goes through the very front
crossmember next to the radiator also have EP90 in it?

 

Tom Woods wrote:
> Is 10L enough? I'm sure i worked it out for a whole landy in the past
> and it came to 14L or something.

The previous owner seems to have kept most levels up and the oil is
clean and fresh so I'm not draining everything for the sake of it,
sadly the plug on the rear diff was seized so he had let that go right
down, just where it all went is presently a mystery...

> Should the steering thingy that goes through the very front
> crossmember next to the radiator also have EP90 in it?

So the book says, though getting it in through that small screw hole
looks interesting :cool:

Greg

 
Greg wrote:

|| Tom Woods wrote:
||| Is 10L enough? I'm sure i worked it out for a whole landy in the
||| past and it came to 14L or something.
||
|| The previous owner seems to have kept most levels up and the oil is
|| clean and fresh so I'm not draining everything for the sake of it,
|| sadly the plug on the rear diff was seized so he had let that go
|| right down, just where it all went is presently a mystery...
||
||| Should the steering thingy that goes through the very front
||| crossmember next to the radiator also have EP90 in it?
||
|| So the book says, though getting it in through that small screw hole
|| looks interesting :cool:
||
|| Greg

Take off two opposite bolts (one to let the air escape) and do it slowly.
That's from the manual.

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:15:31 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>||| Should the steering thingy that goes through the very front
>||| crossmember next to the radiator also have EP90 in it?
>||
>|| So the book says, though getting it in through that small screw hole
>|| looks interesting :cool:
>||
>|| Greg
>
>Take off two opposite bolts (one to let the air escape) and do it slowly.
>That's from the manual.

I did mine once and it all ****ed straight out of the bottom. That was
5 years ago and it is still working despite being ignored since then!
 
On or around Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:15:31 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Greg wrote:
>
>|| Tom Woods wrote:
>||| Is 10L enough? I'm sure i worked it out for a whole landy in the
>||| past and it came to 14L or something.
>||
>|| The previous owner seems to have kept most levels up and the oil is
>|| clean and fresh so I'm not draining everything for the sake of it,
>|| sadly the plug on the rear diff was seized so he had let that go
>|| right down, just where it all went is presently a mystery...
>||
>||| Should the steering thingy that goes through the very front
>||| crossmember next to the radiator also have EP90 in it?
>||
>|| So the book says, though getting it in through that small screw hole
>|| looks interesting :cool:
>||
>|| Greg
>
>Take off two opposite bolts (one to let the air escape) and do it slowly.
>That's from the manual.

Mine's got what looks like a grease nipple in it, I noticed today. I had
the grille off for essential work - replacing the hooter with a rather naff
but functional klaxon I bought off ebay the other week. Mind, it was cheap,
so can hardly complain too much if the trumpet bit is chrome plastic rather
than metal.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:15:31 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Greg wrote:
> >
> >|| Tom Woods wrote:
> >||| Is 10L enough? I'm sure i worked it out for a whole landy in the
> >||| past and it came to 14L or something.
> >||
> >|| The previous owner seems to have kept most levels up and the oil is
> >|| clean and fresh so I'm not draining everything for the sake of it,
> >|| sadly the plug on the rear diff was seized so he had let that go
> >|| right down, just where it all went is presently a mystery...
> >||
> >||| Should the steering thingy that goes through the very front
> >||| crossmember next to the radiator also have EP90 in it?
> >||
> >|| So the book says, though getting it in through that small screw hole
> >|| looks interesting :cool:
> >||
> >|| Greg
> >
> >Take off two opposite bolts (one to let the air escape) and do it slowly.
> >That's from the manual.
>
> Mine's got what looks like a grease nipple in it, I noticed today. I had
> the grille off for essential work - replacing the hooter with a rather
naff
> but functional klaxon I bought off ebay the other week. Mind, it was
cheap,
> so can hardly complain too much if the trumpet bit is chrome plastic
rather
> than metal.
>

The small bolts are the same thread as the grease nipples in your propshaft.
take out two bolts from the top of the steering relay and borrow a grease
nipple from a propshaft if you haven't got one spare. Screw it in (finger
tight will do) and use grease gun filled with E.P 90 until oil comes out the
other hole then replace bolts and grease nipple in prop. If you don't remove
*two* bolts the pressure will blow out the seals and you will have to remove
the arms to replace them. Series ones used to have an oil filler plug at
the side at the top.

Martin.


 
On or around Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:34:08 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>The small bolts are the same thread as the grease nipples in your propshaft.
>take out two bolts from the top of the steering relay and borrow a grease
>nipple from a propshaft if you haven't got one spare. Screw it in (finger
>tight will do) and use grease gun filled with E.P 90 until oil comes out the
>other hole then replace bolts and grease nipple in prop. If you don't remove
>*two* bolts the pressure will blow out the seals and you will have to remove
>the arms to replace them. Series ones used to have an oil filler plug at
>the side at the top.

ah, that'll be where the grease nipple is on mine. although you can use an
oil gun instead.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero" (sieze today, and put
as little trust as you can in tomorrow) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Odes, I.xi.8
 
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