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Just got back from a trip to Aberdeen from Norfolk in the trusty 200 Tdi.
All the way up on one tankful at 75 mph, that's 510 miles. Average 34 mpg.
On the way back I kept it to 55 on A roads and 60 on dual carriageways but
we did a lot of town work in Edinburgh. The average was 35.8 mpg. I'm well
chuffed with that seeing as she's 15 years old and has 230k on the clock!

TonyB


 
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bloody stupid microsoft keyboard. feckin useless article. just kicked the feckin thing off the deks..
 
On 2006-05-24, TonyB <[email protected]> wrote:

> The average was 35.8 mpg.


A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
to average below 30MPG.

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Ian Rawlings wrote, On 24/05/2006 18:58:
> On 2006-05-24, TonyB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The average was 35.8 mpg.

>
> A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
> it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
> see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
> to average below 30MPG.
>


Is there a difference in diff ratios, or transfer box gearing between
the Disco and Defender? Or maybe tyre treads?


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On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:58:25 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
>it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
>see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
>to average below 30MPG.


Is his speedo in Kms?

 

"DavidM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ian Rawlings wrote, On 24/05/2006 18:58:
>> On 2006-05-24, TonyB <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The average was 35.8 mpg.

>>
>> A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
>> it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
>> see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
>> to average below 30MPG.
>>

>
> Is there a difference in diff ratios, or transfer box gearing between the
> Disco and Defender? Or maybe tyre treads?


BIG difference in aerodynamics though, even though the frontal areas are
similar the disco cuts a much cleaner line through the air, especially at
speed.
Badger.


 
DavidM wrote:

> Ian Rawlings wrote, On 24/05/2006 18:58:
>> On 2006-05-24, TonyB <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The average was 35.8 mpg.

>>
>> A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
>> it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
>> see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
>> to average below 30MPG.
>>

>
> Is there a difference in diff ratios, or transfer box gearing between
> the Disco and Defender? Or maybe tyre treads?
>
>

Unless I am mistaken the Discovery is higher geared, and the aerodynamics
are different. But the major effect on mileage is driving technique plus
things like tyre type and pressure.
JD
 

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:58:25 +0100, Ian Rawlings
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
> >it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
> >see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
> >to average below 30MPG.

>
> Is his speedo in Kms?
>

The transfer box gearing is quite a lot different, 5th on the Defender is
similar to 4th on the Disco.

Martin


 
> >
> The transfer box gearing is quite a lot different, 5th on the Defender is
> similar to 4th on the Disco.


Aha.
I've got Pirelli Scorpions on the front at 28 psi. I was driving gently and
not accelerating hard either.
We were two up, with only a little luggage. The fuel pump is turned up front
standard settings but not so much that it smokes on acceleration. The engine
is old and very well worn in so internal resistance may be lower. Just in
case my maths isn't up to much the exact figure was 537 miles on 68 litres,
the mileage was confirmed by gps, being within a couple of miles on the
odometer.

TonyB


 
On 2006-05-24, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> Is his speedo in Kms?


Nope, checked that. My defender has a Fearns intercooler upgrade, but
I wouldn't have thought it makes much difference, and I have a light
right foot. My defender also has a rag top although with all the
recovery gear I have in the back (or had) I'd have thought any weight
advantage over a normal defender is lost.

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On 2006-05-24, Oily <[email protected]> wrote:

> The transfer box gearing is quite a lot different, 5th on the Defender is
> similar to 4th on the Disco.


OK, but the disco weighs more than my Defender, and while it has
higher gearing and marginally better aerodynamics, an extra 10MPG is
hard to credit.

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TonyB wrote:

>
> Aha.
> I've got Pirelli Scorpions on the front at 28 psi. I was driving gently and
> not accelerating hard either.
> We were two up, with only a little luggage. The fuel pump is turned up front
> standard settings but not so much that it smokes on acceleration. The engine
> is old and very well worn in so internal resistance may be lower. Just in
> case my maths isn't up to much the exact figure was 537 miles on 68 litres,
> the mileage was confirmed by gps, being within a couple of miles on the
> odometer.


Yep - your maths looks correct to me - 35.85 mpg. Incidentally I'd try
running the front tyres at at least 32 psi - it'll probably handle
significantly better.

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"TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just got back from a trip to Aberdeen from Norfolk in the trusty 200 Tdi.
> All the way up on one tankful at 75 mph, that's 510 miles. Average 34 mpg.
> On the way back I kept it to 55 on A roads and 60 on dual carriageways but
> we did a lot of town work in Edinburgh. The average was 35.8 mpg. I'm well
> chuffed with that seeing as she's 15 years old and has 230k on the clock!
>
> TonyB
>
>


TonyB:

Your lucky. My petrol 96 Disco with a Detroit locker in the rear and a
Detroit Tru-trac in the front does 10.5 MPG City and 11.5 - 12.0 MPG highway
along with an OME heavy duty suspension given a mild lift.

Jack


 

"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just got back from a trip to Aberdeen from Norfolk in the trusty 200 Tdi.
>> All the way up on one tankful at 75 mph, that's 510 miles. Average 34
>> mpg.
>> On the way back I kept it to 55 on A roads and 60 on dual carriageways
>> but
>> we did a lot of town work in Edinburgh. The average was 35.8 mpg. I'm
>> well
>> chuffed with that seeing as she's 15 years old and has 230k on the clock!
>>
>> TonyB
>>
>>

>
> TonyB:
>
> Your lucky. My petrol 96 Disco with a Detroit locker in the rear and a
> Detroit Tru-trac in the front does 10.5 MPG City and 11.5 - 12.0 MPG
> highway along with an OME heavy duty suspension given a mild lift.
>
> Jack
>


Since having my intercooler upgraded by allisport I have never been able to
get more than 27 mpg out of my 300tdi disco it averages around 24 round
town, goes well though. The 110 300tdi is averaging 27 mpg round town even
with a full bed stead type roofrack :)

Icky


 
Jack wrote:
> "TonyB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just got back from a trip to Aberdeen from Norfolk in the trusty 200 Tdi.
>> All the way up on one tankful at 75 mph, that's 510 miles. Average 34 mpg.
>> On the way back I kept it to 55 on A roads and 60 on dual carriageways but
>> we did a lot of town work in Edinburgh. The average was 35.8 mpg. I'm well
>> chuffed with that seeing as she's 15 years old and has 230k on the clock!
>>
>> TonyB
>>
>>

>
> TonyB:
>
> Your lucky. My petrol 96 Disco with a Detroit locker in the rear and a
> Detroit Tru-trac in the front does 10.5 MPG City and 11.5 - 12.0 MPG highway
> along with an OME heavy duty suspension given a mild lift.
>
> Jack



US gallons though i suspect?
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On or around Wed, 24 May 2006 18:45:08 +0100, "TonyB"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Just got back from a trip to Aberdeen from Norfolk in the trusty 200 Tdi.
>All the way up on one tankful at 75 mph, that's 510 miles. Average 34 mpg.
>On the way back I kept it to 55 on A roads and 60 on dual carriageways but
>we did a lot of town work in Edinburgh. The average was 35.8 mpg. I'm well
>chuffed with that seeing as she's 15 years old and has 230k on the clock!


not bad going. I doubt you can get much better without doing serious
"economy marathon" techniques.
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"Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!"
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On or around Wed, 24 May 2006 19:18:50 +0100, DavidM
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Ian Rawlings wrote, On 24/05/2006 18:58:
>> On 2006-05-24, TonyB <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The average was 35.8 mpg.

>>
>> A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
>> it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
>> see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
>> to average below 30MPG.
>>

>
>Is there a difference in diff ratios, or transfer box gearing between
>the Disco and Defender? Or maybe tyre treads?


I doubt it's genuine. he might be a very careful drive and coast down every
hill and so forth, but I don't reckon you'd get 40 mpg otherwise.

I keep accurate records over more than a thousand miles to get fuel figures,
and I've never yet seen anything like that from the 300 TDi disco.

It does partly depend on use: if you did only longish journeys on flattish
roads at 50 mph, you might get 40 mpg.

The only way to get accurate fuel figures is to start with a full tank,
drive, then fill the tank again and work out the economy based on the miles
covered. You can and should for better accuracy extend this by keeping note
of all fuel put in and then finishing up with a full tank, this will reduce
below a statistical level the errors in tank fullness which are inevitable.
currently I'm doing this for the latest minibus, so far I've covered 1462
miles on 48.43 gallons, for an average mpg of 30.2; although the figure is
still fluctuating a bit as the mileage isn't really long enough - all I can
honestly say at the moment is that it's doing something between about 30 and
32. which is probably accurate enough for most purposes, at that, but since
the data are easily acquired and processed I may as well continue. In this
vehicle, the attitude of the vehicle when filling can make quite a
difference to the amount of fuel put in.


If anyone wants a copy of the spreadsheet I use to channel all the vehicle
running costs down into a single "pence per mile" figure, let me know. It
covers everything that gets used up per mile, including service items,
tyres, fuel, etc. Doesn't cover standing costs, viz. the things you have to
pay even if you never drive it but have it available for use, e.g.
insurance, tax, MOT.

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Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Thu, 25 May 2006 06:14:48 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>DavidM wrote:
>
>> Ian Rawlings wrote, On 24/05/2006 18:58:
>>> On 2006-05-24, TonyB <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The average was 35.8 mpg.
>>>
>>> A chap I know has a 300TDi Discovery, he reckons he gets 40MPG out of
>>> it without really trying, despite me insisting he's wrong. I don't
>>> see how he can manage that, especially since my Defender 300TDi seems
>>> to average below 30MPG.
>>>

>>
>> Is there a difference in diff ratios, or transfer box gearing between
>> the Disco and Defender? Or maybe tyre treads?
>>
>>

>Unless I am mistaken the Discovery is higher geared, and the aerodynamics
>are different. But the major effect on mileage is driving technique plus
>things like tyre type and pressure.


The discovery is indeed higher geared and a bit better on aerodynamics. But
running the one here on smooth-ish tyres and running 36 psi in the fronts
which then wear nicely, i.e. not too soft, it still doesn't average anywhere
near 40. I'd reckon you might get 40 by driving steadily and carefully on a
run in flattish terrain, but not otherwise.
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the jollyrodgered sea." Dylan Thomas (1914 - 1953) Under milk wood
 
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