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fuel filler neck tube length

Discussion in 'Series Land Rovers' started by scottonthefen, Mar 15, 2019 at 1:06 PM.

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  1. scottonthefen

    scottonthefen Active Member

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    I've managed to get my new fuel tank offered up into the new fuel and breather hoses and those onto the end of the filler neck tube. It was a right pain in the ass and I'm still not happy with it. :-/

    Four screws hold the face of the filler neck flush with the rear tub. I can only get the two bottom ones on. I could order longer screws to secure it but it still wouldn't sit flush with the tub. It won't sit flush because it's so long when it is sat flush it reaches the far side of the gap where the hoses are meant to come up and meet it. It seems to be far too long. Has my lovely PO put one on here that's not right?

    Are the Series versions shorter? Are LWB ones longer? If anyone knows of any variation in these things I'd really like to hear about it because I can't leave this as it is it's not sealing against the tub and water's going to get in over time.

    Does anyone have a definite picture (or length!) of a Series filler neck tube? (Mine's a 2A 69 SWB RHD if it matters.)

    It looks identical in every way to this Defender one, except mine isn't galvanized:

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    scottonthefen Active Member

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    I bought a hose like this:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rov...419291&hash=item33adce8a06:g:hYQAAOSw6EhUR~W1

    I had to cut a few inches off both ends to make it look like the old hose I was replacing.

    When I took the filler neck tube off in the first place it wasn't sitting flush with the rear tub. Someone had bent the face of it quite severely to get the fixing points in contact to at least get it "secured".

    Something's not right. o_O:(
     
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    tottot Well-Known Member

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    The series and defender fuel fillers are not the same.
     
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    scottonthefen Active Member

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    Thanks for the help so far.

    tottot says Series and Defender filler tubes are different. If mine had a Defender one bodged on and that's why it doesn't fit there'd be a reason Defender ones are longer... and I found a video on youtube that shows why a Defender 110 filler tube would be longer (pic attached). It looks the same, breather spout and two flat edges on the face that sits against the tub, but it has further to reach the tank hose than in the back of a Series SWB.

    rob also thinks Defender ones look longer but bargains aren't bargains if I ship them from Australia and find they don't fit. :) Cheers rob the links were helpful if only to see the price difference that wouldn't make sense if they're interchangeable as you point out!

    It's unlikely someone has a Defender and Series filler tube to hand to post a picture. A measurement for the Series part is also hard to provide as they're not very accessible. I had to drill some old fixings out to get behind the cover panel to get to mine, so I can't reasonably expect anyone to nip out to the garage and measure one unless it's already off and they know it fits well... (Yeah, you! :D)

    Options..

    1. order by Series part number and cross my fingers as the money goes out
    2. cut 2" off the one I've got with an angle grinder and hope it helps - seems a shame to spoil what is a genuine part for someone out there though

    I won't be too hasty. Someone might swing by in the next couple of weeks with some pictures or info to help me. I've got clutch cylinders to change anyway.. :D

    (It is not a wild theory that my 2A would have a Defender filler tube bodged in.. when I bought it it also had a LWB roof cut down to length and hammered down above the cat flap - among other interesting bodgeries.. :))
     

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    The Defender ones look easier to get to with a tape measure, even if you guess there's 2" in the hose. Just sayin.. ;)
     
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    My Series 2 has another pipe that extends out if your using a jerrycan or something to fill up. Its connected to a chain inside the filler pipe. I think that is the original style for series 2. Also it has a screen inside and the book says there should be a felt pad there as well.
     

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    ^^^^^ same for my '72 s3
     
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    Thanks for the replies.

    I do also have the extension neck that goes inside, it twists and extends out and locks in place as you say and it has a gauze filter in the bottom. There's no felt pad in my outer twist cap, mine's the ball valve type which the S2 parts manual lists as an alternative.

    CakeBandit I will use your measurement to check mine thanks for htat. I'll report back when I've had time to do it and I'll try to take some pictures tomorrow if the weather lets me.
     

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    Mine looks about the same length as CakeBandit's. Not sure of next steps at the moment.. o_O

    The second pic shows my problem. There's 1-2" of the neck in the hose. If you picture the neck fixed flush to the tub there, there's no room at all to get a hose off the end of it and down through the hole.

    Something's wrong and I don't know what it is. :D
     

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    If you free the filler tube and slide the hose on to its right position before refixing to the tub will the whole lot then go into position ?
     
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    That's how I put it on this time tottot, and there's just no way to get the face of the filler tube flush with the tub. The PO decided to bend the face about to secure it in position and live with water ingress but I will keep trying until it's flush and fits and seals properly with the tub.

    I will take it all off again and try again with another hose. The hoses come over length. There is a wide (top) part and a narrower part after a bend (bottom). It might be if I cut one to have only just enough of the wide part to come off the neck before it narrows to go down the hole and onto the tank I will be more successful. I've possibly got too much of the wide part.. you can see it jammed up against the side of floor hole..

    Thanks to the replies here I think I can rule out having the wrong filler neck tube. I think at this point I need to cut the hose more appropriately for a better fit. I will report back, eventually.. :)
     
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    Those pictures really help, I was imagining the problem quite differently
     
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    I replaced mine a few years ago and it was a pain in the backside. Then again most things are on a series.
     
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    I've never been so excited about a hose pipe before. Sad ain't it? :D

    New filler pipe hose (543764, BR 0855) just arrived from Bearmach. £8.55. I can already tell it's going to fit. I can bend it by hand much easier, it looks like it already has the right awkward bastard turn in it where it narrows to go down through the tub and it looks the right length already so shouldn't need any cutting.

    This one was "Land Rover Series 2a Fuel Tank Neck Filler Pipe Hose" from Bearmach. Previous one was a couple quid cheaper and had the same part number but was described as "FILLER HOSE 88", was very difficult to bend, overly long, not pre-shaped for the turn through the tub, and full of dry dusty ****e when it arrived.

    It seems not all filler hoses are made equal. Hopes are high! :D
     
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    Good, hope its sorted.
     
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    Success! I had to cut an inch off the narrow end where it meets the tank but this hose was much more flexible and the right shape. There was just enough wide section to the hose to go on the filler neck and narrow and turn right where it has to dive down through the tub. Cheers all.
     

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