D
DNS
Guest
>> Handguns, Loud custom motorcycles, Running dogs, Shotguns, Land Rovers,
>> Photography, any Libertarian instincts... the list goes on...
>
> NERC....
Forgive my ignorance, but what is NERC an acronym for?
This site contains affiliate links for which LandyZone may be compensated if you make a purchase.
>> Handguns, Loud custom motorcycles, Running dogs, Shotguns, Land Rovers,
>> Photography, any Libertarian instincts... the list goes on...
>
> NERC....
Forgive my ignorance, but what is NERC an acronym for?
T
Tom Woods
Guest
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Okay, try this one, teaching 11-16 year olds, who think it is funny to
>wear "hipster" trouser with thongs displayed over the top, or unbutton
>tops when they have male teachers. I work in all girls school, and at
>our meeting tonight this was one of our hot topics for discussion.
>*WE* are accused of being "perv"s, female teachers of being "lezzers"
>Trouble is, in teaching, "**** (allegations) sticks!"
Do they not have a uniform there? Or is it not enforced very well?
At the girls school where i work I've never noticed that sort of
problem and there is an awful lot of uniform 'enforcement' by
teachers. (though i'm not a teacher so my viewpoint may differ)
Even in the sixth form where they didnt have uniforms, i never knew
anyone dare ware anything 'revealing' without sneaking around and
wearing a big coat/jumper over the top of it while in school!
wrote:
>Okay, try this one, teaching 11-16 year olds, who think it is funny to
>wear "hipster" trouser with thongs displayed over the top, or unbutton
>tops when they have male teachers. I work in all girls school, and at
>our meeting tonight this was one of our hot topics for discussion.
>*WE* are accused of being "perv"s, female teachers of being "lezzers"
>Trouble is, in teaching, "**** (allegations) sticks!"
Do they not have a uniform there? Or is it not enforced very well?
At the girls school where i work I've never noticed that sort of
problem and there is an awful lot of uniform 'enforcement' by
teachers. (though i'm not a teacher so my viewpoint may differ)
Even in the sixth form where they didnt have uniforms, i never knew
anyone dare ware anything 'revealing' without sneaking around and
wearing a big coat/jumper over the top of it while in school!
M
Mother
Guest
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:41:17 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>>As to the morality of dealing in non-nude pictures of youngsters, well, I
>>dunno. I doubt it does much harm - and in all probability they can't be
>>traced through the websites - that's how it ought to be, certainly.
>
>What percentage of adverts include pictures of children? They are all
>either commissioned or bought from stock. The demonisation of
>photographers is getting very silly indeed - yet another group of
>people subject to suspicion because they actually have a hobby or a
>legitimate business.
Have to admit that in the last few years I've been much more conscious
of stuff I've 'snapped', and have not put some pics on www.101fc.net
due to these concerns. I think it's a very sad - but necessary move.
Sad, as I like pics of kids having fun - very little compares to a pic
of a kid with a huge beaming smile, covered in mud and (ahem) chucking
mud at a 101 (unofficial meet in Wales in October).
Necessary, as there are a few people who derive 'different' pleasures
from such otherwise innocent material :-(
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
>>As to the morality of dealing in non-nude pictures of youngsters, well, I
>>dunno. I doubt it does much harm - and in all probability they can't be
>>traced through the websites - that's how it ought to be, certainly.
>
>What percentage of adverts include pictures of children? They are all
>either commissioned or bought from stock. The demonisation of
>photographers is getting very silly indeed - yet another group of
>people subject to suspicion because they actually have a hobby or a
>legitimate business.
Have to admit that in the last few years I've been much more conscious
of stuff I've 'snapped', and have not put some pics on www.101fc.net
due to these concerns. I think it's a very sad - but necessary move.
Sad, as I like pics of kids having fun - very little compares to a pic
of a kid with a huge beaming smile, covered in mud and (ahem) chucking
mud at a 101 (unofficial meet in Wales in October).
Necessary, as there are a few people who derive 'different' pleasures
from such otherwise innocent material :-(
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
M
Mother
Guest
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:33:18 +0000 (UTC), DNS <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>>> Handguns, Loud custom motorcycles, Running dogs, Shotguns, Land Rovers,
>>> Photography, any Libertarian instincts... the list goes on...
>>
>> NERC....
>
>Forgive my ignorance, but what is NERC an acronym for?
Natural Environment and Rural Communities Bill
See:
http://www.glass-uk.org/pages/news/Topical_2005/nerc_bill.htm
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
wrote:
>
>>> Handguns, Loud custom motorcycles, Running dogs, Shotguns, Land Rovers,
>>> Photography, any Libertarian instincts... the list goes on...
>>
>> NERC....
>
>Forgive my ignorance, but what is NERC an acronym for?
Natural Environment and Rural Communities Bill
See:
http://www.glass-uk.org/pages/news/Topical_2005/nerc_bill.htm
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
D
DNS
Guest
>> Forgive my ignorance, but what is NERC an acronym for?
>
> Natural Environment and Rural Communities Bill
Thanks for that...
A
Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:12:35 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:41:17 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>As to the morality of dealing in non-nude pictures of youngsters, well, I
>>>dunno. I doubt it does much harm - and in all probability they can't be
>>>traced through the websites - that's how it ought to be, certainly.
>>
>>What percentage of adverts include pictures of children? They are all
>>either commissioned or bought from stock. The demonisation of
>>photographers is getting very silly indeed - yet another group of
>>people subject to suspicion because they actually have a hobby or a
>>legitimate business.
>
>Have to admit that in the last few years I've been much more conscious
>of stuff I've 'snapped', and have not put some pics on www.101fc.net
>due to these concerns. I think it's a very sad - but necessary move.
>
>Sad, as I like pics of kids having fun - very little compares to a pic
>of a kid with a huge beaming smile, covered in mud and (ahem) chucking
>mud at a 101 (unofficial meet in Wales in October).
>
>Necessary, as there are a few people who derive 'different' pleasures
>from such otherwise innocent material :-(
Trouble is, there always will be and there's little you can do to stop that.
It ****es me off that in a futile attempt to prevent perverts from deriving
perverted pleasure from photos the rest of us are cast as demons.
and in any case - provided the pictures are *not* traceable - in other
words, no details are published which allow the minority of perverts who
aren't satisfied with just pictures to trace actual people - there's no
problem I can see with continuing to take, and publish (with the parents'
permission), "ordinary" pictures of children doing the things children do,
including but not restricted to playing on the beach with few or no clothes
on.
We need to stop hunting witches in the wrong places, IMHO.
All of which doesn't alter the fact that I consider anyone who physically
(or indeed mentally) mistreats children or indeed adults (and it does
happen) to be the scum of the earth and better off locked up.
as to the morality of "porn" of the non-child kind, well, I dunno. Provided
the people involved in the making of it do so of their own free will, I
don't see the problem. Anyone who's forced into such making is in the
category above, as are those who force them. Apart from that, well,
whatever floats your boat. Personally, I find it rather boring - the
depiction of the sexual act or genitalia, even including various
perversions, is a very limited subject and as such quickly loses interest,
for me at least. Variety, as they say, is the spice of life, and most
"porn" that I've seen lacks any meaningful variety.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
Agricola, 30
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:41:17 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>As to the morality of dealing in non-nude pictures of youngsters, well, I
>>>dunno. I doubt it does much harm - and in all probability they can't be
>>>traced through the websites - that's how it ought to be, certainly.
>>
>>What percentage of adverts include pictures of children? They are all
>>either commissioned or bought from stock. The demonisation of
>>photographers is getting very silly indeed - yet another group of
>>people subject to suspicion because they actually have a hobby or a
>>legitimate business.
>
>Have to admit that in the last few years I've been much more conscious
>of stuff I've 'snapped', and have not put some pics on www.101fc.net
>due to these concerns. I think it's a very sad - but necessary move.
>
>Sad, as I like pics of kids having fun - very little compares to a pic
>of a kid with a huge beaming smile, covered in mud and (ahem) chucking
>mud at a 101 (unofficial meet in Wales in October).
>
>Necessary, as there are a few people who derive 'different' pleasures
>from such otherwise innocent material :-(
Trouble is, there always will be and there's little you can do to stop that.
It ****es me off that in a futile attempt to prevent perverts from deriving
perverted pleasure from photos the rest of us are cast as demons.
and in any case - provided the pictures are *not* traceable - in other
words, no details are published which allow the minority of perverts who
aren't satisfied with just pictures to trace actual people - there's no
problem I can see with continuing to take, and publish (with the parents'
permission), "ordinary" pictures of children doing the things children do,
including but not restricted to playing on the beach with few or no clothes
on.
We need to stop hunting witches in the wrong places, IMHO.
All of which doesn't alter the fact that I consider anyone who physically
(or indeed mentally) mistreats children or indeed adults (and it does
happen) to be the scum of the earth and better off locked up.
as to the morality of "porn" of the non-child kind, well, I dunno. Provided
the people involved in the making of it do so of their own free will, I
don't see the problem. Anyone who's forced into such making is in the
category above, as are those who force them. Apart from that, well,
whatever floats your boat. Personally, I find it rather boring - the
depiction of the sexual act or genitalia, even including various
perversions, is a very limited subject and as such quickly loses interest,
for me at least. Variety, as they say, is the spice of life, and most
"porn" that I've seen lacks any meaningful variety.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
Agricola, 30
M
Mother
Guest
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:05:47 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Trouble is, there always will be and there's little you can do to stop that.
>It ****es me off that in a futile attempt to prevent perverts from deriving
>perverted pleasure from photos the rest of us are cast as demons.
Not necessarily 'demons' but left open to suspicion, certainly.
I've actually found it odd asking people if they mind me using
photographs I've taken. An example of this was a few months ago.
I've been collating a long series of photographs detailing the works
in my local park (easy to do, I walk Max there every day). I set up a
site about it (www.fompp.org for those who're interested - I'm rather
pleased with the video...)
Although most of the pics are fairly generic, some of the local kids
posed when they saw me snapping away and it really was too good an
opportunity to miss - as they were having such a good time and the
pics conveyed that very well. I had an uneasy feeling about taking
pics of other people kids in this way and made a point of asking all
of their parents if they'd mind me using the photos on the site.
None did, and actually seemed very surprised that I'd asked. however
one of the parents who I've known for some 15 odd years, later
mentioned to me that by my asking, she was now suspicious of anyone
taking photos in the park, as I'd somewhat accidentally made her aware
that some people may have different 'motives' - which isn't
necessarily a bad outcome as at least she's now aware, but it did also
make me think that I'd possibly opened up a range of issues...
If that makes sense...
>We need to stop hunting witches in the wrong places, IMHO.
Balance is important I reckon. Being a little 'wary' or mildly
suspicious has actually led to something much more unpleasant being
uncovered (here, actually), but that, or other innocent practice needs
to be taken in context. some people _will_ abuse, the majority (I'd
hope) do not. Good to have a wry eye whilst not engaging in panic,
IMO.
>as to the morality of "porn" of the non-child kind, well, I dunno. Provided
>the people involved in the making of it do so of their own free will, I
>don't see the problem. Anyone who's forced into such making is in the
>category above, as are those who force them. Apart from that, well,
>whatever floats your boat. Personally, I find it rather boring - the
>depiction of the sexual act or genitalia, even including various
>perversions, is a very limited subject and as such quickly loses interest,
>for me at least. Variety, as they say, is the spice of life, and most
>"porn" that I've seen lacks any meaningful variety.
My take on this is really quite simplistic. There needs to be a clear
distinction made between 'erotic / fantasy' and 'abuse / exploitation'
"Pornography" should (but I'm sure does not always) fall into the
first, and be a contracted, often commercial process which is, or
should be based firmly upon 'consent'. It is not illegal and it
should be up to nobody but the consenting individuals involved what
they choose to do, view etc. I'd fiercly defend the right of adults
to view whatever legal material they wish.
However, if we take this concept of 'consent', and apply it to
children - who by definition are unable to give consent, we're talking
about exploitation and abuse - not pornography.
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Trouble is, there always will be and there's little you can do to stop that.
>It ****es me off that in a futile attempt to prevent perverts from deriving
>perverted pleasure from photos the rest of us are cast as demons.
Not necessarily 'demons' but left open to suspicion, certainly.
I've actually found it odd asking people if they mind me using
photographs I've taken. An example of this was a few months ago.
I've been collating a long series of photographs detailing the works
in my local park (easy to do, I walk Max there every day). I set up a
site about it (www.fompp.org for those who're interested - I'm rather
pleased with the video...)
Although most of the pics are fairly generic, some of the local kids
posed when they saw me snapping away and it really was too good an
opportunity to miss - as they were having such a good time and the
pics conveyed that very well. I had an uneasy feeling about taking
pics of other people kids in this way and made a point of asking all
of their parents if they'd mind me using the photos on the site.
None did, and actually seemed very surprised that I'd asked. however
one of the parents who I've known for some 15 odd years, later
mentioned to me that by my asking, she was now suspicious of anyone
taking photos in the park, as I'd somewhat accidentally made her aware
that some people may have different 'motives' - which isn't
necessarily a bad outcome as at least she's now aware, but it did also
make me think that I'd possibly opened up a range of issues...
If that makes sense...
>We need to stop hunting witches in the wrong places, IMHO.
Balance is important I reckon. Being a little 'wary' or mildly
suspicious has actually led to something much more unpleasant being
uncovered (here, actually), but that, or other innocent practice needs
to be taken in context. some people _will_ abuse, the majority (I'd
hope) do not. Good to have a wry eye whilst not engaging in panic,
IMO.
>as to the morality of "porn" of the non-child kind, well, I dunno. Provided
>the people involved in the making of it do so of their own free will, I
>don't see the problem. Anyone who's forced into such making is in the
>category above, as are those who force them. Apart from that, well,
>whatever floats your boat. Personally, I find it rather boring - the
>depiction of the sexual act or genitalia, even including various
>perversions, is a very limited subject and as such quickly loses interest,
>for me at least. Variety, as they say, is the spice of life, and most
>"porn" that I've seen lacks any meaningful variety.
My take on this is really quite simplistic. There needs to be a clear
distinction made between 'erotic / fantasy' and 'abuse / exploitation'
"Pornography" should (but I'm sure does not always) fall into the
first, and be a contracted, often commercial process which is, or
should be based firmly upon 'consent'. It is not illegal and it
should be up to nobody but the consenting individuals involved what
they choose to do, view etc. I'd fiercly defend the right of adults
to view whatever legal material they wish.
However, if we take this concept of 'consent', and apply it to
children - who by definition are unable to give consent, we're talking
about exploitation and abuse - not pornography.
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
A
Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:40:10 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>"Pornography" should (but I'm sure does not always) fall into the
>first, and be a contracted, often commercial process which is, or
>should be based firmly upon 'consent'. It is not illegal and it
>should be up to nobody but the consenting individuals involved what
>they choose to do, view etc. I'd fiercly defend the right of adults
>to view whatever legal material they wish.
I agree with all that,
>
>However, if we take this concept of 'consent', and apply it to
>children - who by definition are unable to give consent, we're talking
>about exploitation and abuse - not pornography.
and especially with that.
In another place, recently, there's been some discussion about whether or
not informed consent can be given while under the influence of drink or
drugs... (following recent court case and verdict).
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>"Pornography" should (but I'm sure does not always) fall into the
>first, and be a contracted, often commercial process which is, or
>should be based firmly upon 'consent'. It is not illegal and it
>should be up to nobody but the consenting individuals involved what
>they choose to do, view etc. I'd fiercly defend the right of adults
>to view whatever legal material they wish.
I agree with all that,
>
>However, if we take this concept of 'consent', and apply it to
>children - who by definition are unable to give consent, we're talking
>about exploitation and abuse - not pornography.
and especially with that.
In another place, recently, there's been some discussion about whether or
not informed consent can be given while under the influence of drink or
drugs... (following recent court case and verdict).
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
M
Mother
Guest
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:17:43 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In another place, recently, there's been some discussion about whether or
>not informed consent can be given while under the influence of drink or
>drugs... (following recent court case and verdict).
Try organisaing a Magistrates Training Day around that case and your
head will explode. Fortunately, it's not something that any
Magistrate will ever have to encounter - but it's good to try and keep
new intakes on their toes... ;-)
The case to which you refer is likely to be the subject of a great
deal more publicity in the next few months.
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In another place, recently, there's been some discussion about whether or
>not informed consent can be given while under the influence of drink or
>drugs... (following recent court case and verdict).
Try organisaing a Magistrates Training Day around that case and your
head will explode. Fortunately, it's not something that any
Magistrate will ever have to encounter - but it's good to try and keep
new intakes on their toes... ;-)
The case to which you refer is likely to be the subject of a great
deal more publicity in the next few months.
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
T
Tim Hobbs
Guest
The UK law on photography, as it currently stands, is actually fairly
sensible in my view.
If you can see it from a public place, you can photograph it. You
don't actually need a model release or to justify your actions.
There's no reasonable expectation of privacy where you can be seen
from a public place. It doesn't always work out that way in practice
of course.
It gets a bit muddy when people start using 1200mm telephotos and
monster enlargements to photograph people in their gardens, but that's
a pretty extreme case affecting only celebrities and royalty. And who
cares about them ?
If parents are worried that a paedophile may be looking at a picture
of their child and 'getting off on it' then logically they need to
keep their kids indoors with the curtains drawn. If it was there to
be photographed then the paedophile can 'get off' looking at it first
hand.
There are pictures of my daughter and of my friend's children on my
(her) website. I didn't ask for my friends' permission, but did send
them links to the photos. If they want me to remove them I will, but
nobody has objected so far. As a family we get great pleasure from
sharing pictures with people we don't see as often as we'd like.
Maybe someone somewhere is thinking unpleasant thoughts about my
daughter. I don't like the idea, but it wouldn't actually be doing
her any harm. For all I know the bloke in the supermarket was
thinking terrible thoughts about her yesterday. The act of
photography makes no real difference to anything.
Anyhow, what oil should I put in a Series 2 transfer box?
--
Tim Hobbs
S
Simon Isaacs
Guest
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:24:26 +0000, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:
>On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Okay, try this one, teaching 11-16 year olds, who think it is funny to
>>wear "hipster" trouser with thongs displayed over the top, or unbutton
>>tops when they have male teachers. I work in all girls school, and at
>>our meeting tonight this was one of our hot topics for discussion.
>>*WE* are accused of being "perv"s, female teachers of being "lezzers"
>>Trouble is, in teaching, "**** (allegations) sticks!"
>
>Do they not have a uniform there? Or is it not enforced very well?
>
>At the girls school where i work I've never noticed that sort of
>problem and there is an awful lot of uniform 'enforcement' by
>teachers. (though i'm not a teacher so my viewpoint may differ)
>
>Even in the sixth form where they didnt have uniforms, i never knew
>anyone dare ware anything 'revealing' without sneaking around and
>wearing a big coat/jumper over the top of it while in school!
Yes, but grey trousers can come in many forms, and hipsters are one
form, apparently.
--
Simon Isaacs
Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
scribbled the following nonsense:
>On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Okay, try this one, teaching 11-16 year olds, who think it is funny to
>>wear "hipster" trouser with thongs displayed over the top, or unbutton
>>tops when they have male teachers. I work in all girls school, and at
>>our meeting tonight this was one of our hot topics for discussion.
>>*WE* are accused of being "perv"s, female teachers of being "lezzers"
>>Trouble is, in teaching, "**** (allegations) sticks!"
>
>Do they not have a uniform there? Or is it not enforced very well?
>
>At the girls school where i work I've never noticed that sort of
>problem and there is an awful lot of uniform 'enforcement' by
>teachers. (though i'm not a teacher so my viewpoint may differ)
>
>Even in the sixth form where they didnt have uniforms, i never knew
>anyone dare ware anything 'revealing' without sneaking around and
>wearing a big coat/jumper over the top of it while in school!
Yes, but grey trousers can come in many forms, and hipsters are one
form, apparently.
--
Simon Isaacs
Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
L
Lee_D
Guest
Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> Yes, but grey trousers can come in many forms, and hipsters are one
> form, apparently.
Nickers over yer trousers.... Is it "Super-school" ?
Lee D
>> Yes, but grey trousers can come in many forms, and hipsters are one
> form, apparently.
Nickers over yer trousers.... Is it "Super-school" ?
Lee D
S
Simon Isaacs
Guest
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:40:10 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>I've actually found it odd asking people if they mind me using
>photographs I've taken. An example of this was a few months ago.
>I've been collating a long series of photographs detailing the works
>in my local park (easy to do, I walk Max there every day). I set up a
>site about it (www.fompp.org for those who're interested - I'm rather
>pleased with the video...)
>
I though it was Charlotte who did much of the dog walking!!!!!
And who is the big kid who just had to stick his foot into the wet
concrete to preserve his place in history???!!!???
--
Simon Isaacs
Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>I've actually found it odd asking people if they mind me using
>photographs I've taken. An example of this was a few months ago.
>I've been collating a long series of photographs detailing the works
>in my local park (easy to do, I walk Max there every day). I set up a
>site about it (www.fompp.org for those who're interested - I'm rather
>pleased with the video...)
>
I though it was Charlotte who did much of the dog walking!!!!!
And who is the big kid who just had to stick his foot into the wet
concrete to preserve his place in history???!!!???
--
Simon Isaacs
Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
T
Tom Woods
Guest
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:46:07 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>Anyhow, what oil should I put in a Series 2 transfer box?
Does that mean that the series 2 is beciming more mobile?
Youve been spending too much time with these complicated motors -
Series's are easy - EP90 in everything except the engine.
>Anyhow, what oil should I put in a Series 2 transfer box?
Does that mean that the series 2 is beciming more mobile?
Youve been spending too much time with these complicated motors -
Series's are easy - EP90 in everything except the engine.
M
Mother
Guest
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:53:10 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I though it was Charlotte who did much of the dog walking!!!!!
Yeah, right - so she would have everyone believe. At shows yes, it's
nice to get rid of them both so I can spend a couple of hours talking
bollocks about Landies... ;-)
>And who is the big kid who just had to stick his foot into the wet
>concrete to preserve his place in history???!!!???
I'd hope that this is something that _nobody_ would ever grow out of.
Thing was, I did my hand on the other side. As I was walking away Max
looked at me slightly perplexed, then slowly stepped forward and
placed his pawprint next to my handprint - even saw him place weight
on the paw to get a good impression. He then inspected his work,
turned around and followed me... Quite scary actually...
http://www.fompp.org/play/play-1-006.jpg
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
wrote:
>I though it was Charlotte who did much of the dog walking!!!!!
Yeah, right - so she would have everyone believe. At shows yes, it's
nice to get rid of them both so I can spend a couple of hours talking
bollocks about Landies... ;-)
>And who is the big kid who just had to stick his foot into the wet
>concrete to preserve his place in history???!!!???
I'd hope that this is something that _nobody_ would ever grow out of.
Thing was, I did my hand on the other side. As I was walking away Max
looked at me slightly perplexed, then slowly stepped forward and
placed his pawprint next to my handprint - even saw him place weight
on the paw to get a good impression. He then inspected his work,
turned around and followed me... Quite scary actually...
http://www.fompp.org/play/play-1-006.jpg
--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
A
Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:44:22 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:17:43 +0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In another place, recently, there's been some discussion about whether or
>>not informed consent can be given while under the influence of drink or
>>drugs... (following recent court case and verdict).
>
>Try organisaing a Magistrates Training Day around that case and your
>head will explode. Fortunately, it's not something that any
>Magistrate will ever have to encounter - but it's good to try and keep
>new intakes on their toes... ;-)
>
>The case to which you refer is likely to be the subject of a great
>deal more publicity in the next few months.
I'm sure it will be.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:17:43 +0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In another place, recently, there's been some discussion about whether or
>>not informed consent can be given while under the influence of drink or
>>drugs... (following recent court case and verdict).
>
>Try organisaing a Magistrates Training Day around that case and your
>head will explode. Fortunately, it's not something that any
>Magistrate will ever have to encounter - but it's good to try and keep
>new intakes on their toes... ;-)
>
>The case to which you refer is likely to be the subject of a great
>deal more publicity in the next few months.
I'm sure it will be.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
A
Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:46:07 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:
>It gets a bit muddy when people start using 1200mm telephotos and
>monster enlargements to photograph people in their gardens, but that's
>a pretty extreme case affecting only celebrities and royalty. And who
>cares about them ?
didn't stop them getting after a bloke who was photographing children on the
beach. I don't know if he was a perv or not, TBH. But the papers seemed to
decide that he was.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
enlightened us thusly:
>It gets a bit muddy when people start using 1200mm telephotos and
>monster enlargements to photograph people in their gardens, but that's
>a pretty extreme case affecting only celebrities and royalty. And who
>cares about them ?
didn't stop them getting after a bloke who was photographing children on the
beach. I don't know if he was a perv or not, TBH. But the papers seemed to
decide that he was.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
A
Austin Shackles
Guest
On or around Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:03:36 +0000, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:46:07 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Anyhow, what oil should I put in a Series 2 transfer box?
>
>Does that mean that the series 2 is beciming more mobile?
>
>Youve been spending too much time with these complicated motors -
>Series's are easy - EP90 in everything except the engine.
.... and in the engine if it's shagged and you're trying to sell it...
only jokin'.
sright. Series are easy. spose I ought to have a squint at the swivels on
mine, see if there's anything in 'em.
one thing the previous owner did seem OK on is mechnical maintenance.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:46:07 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Anyhow, what oil should I put in a Series 2 transfer box?
>
>Does that mean that the series 2 is beciming more mobile?
>
>Youve been spending too much time with these complicated motors -
>Series's are easy - EP90 in everything except the engine.
.... and in the engine if it's shagged and you're trying to sell it...
only jokin'.
sright. Series are easy. spose I ought to have a squint at the swivels on
mine, see if there's anything in 'em.
one thing the previous owner did seem OK on is mechnical maintenance.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
D
Dave Liquorice
Guest
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:33:42 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:
>> Tut tut, sur-charging for Paypal. Not allowed under eBay rules:
>>
>> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/listing-surcharges.html
>
> I suspect paypal may have stopped doing that.
Doing what? Charging a fee to the sellor for the use of their
services? I think not:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
If you have a Personal Account it is free to receive money but a
Personal Account cannot accept payments from credit or debit cards.
eBay do not allow the (direct) passing on of any fees for the
financial transaction to the buyer. There is nothing to stop you
building these fees into the starting price of the item or into the
postage and packing. What you can't do is say "final bid + P&P" for
cash/cheques WHY and "final bid + P&P + x%" for Paypal(or any other
money transfer service).
> Mind, I think you have to pay 'em to get monmey in large amounts
> from your account.
No for withdrawing amounts fo £50 it is free, 25p for less than £50.
You get stung £14 if you try and make a withdrawal and the account
details are wrong and it gets returned.
BTW I don't like Paypal either expecially as they are part of eBay. If
eBay fees weren't bad enough to have to pay the same company another
set of fees just to handle the money transfer is a bit gauling.
--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>> Tut tut, sur-charging for Paypal. Not allowed under eBay rules:
>>
>> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/listing-surcharges.html
>
> I suspect paypal may have stopped doing that.
Doing what? Charging a fee to the sellor for the use of their
services? I think not:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
If you have a Personal Account it is free to receive money but a
Personal Account cannot accept payments from credit or debit cards.
eBay do not allow the (direct) passing on of any fees for the
financial transaction to the buyer. There is nothing to stop you
building these fees into the starting price of the item or into the
postage and packing. What you can't do is say "final bid + P&P" for
cash/cheques WHY and "final bid + P&P + x%" for Paypal(or any other
money transfer service).
> Mind, I think you have to pay 'em to get monmey in large amounts
> from your account.
No for withdrawing amounts fo £50 it is free, 25p for less than £50.
You get stung £14 if you try and make a withdrawal and the account
details are wrong and it gets returned.
BTW I don't like Paypal either expecially as they are part of eBay. If
eBay fees weren't bad enough to have to pay the same company another
set of fees just to handle the money transfer is a bit gauling.
--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail
R
Richard Brookman
Guest
....and Austin Shackles spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
> sright. Series are easy. spose I ought to have a squint at the
> swivels on mine, see if there's anything in 'em.
Just had a look at mine (failed MoT on swivel play, amongst other things).
The offside one (the one it failed on) had zero, zilch, nothing in there,
the nearside had a teaspoonful of rusty water. I had renewed the oil in
January. Good things, MoTs, really.
--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)
> sright. Series are easy. spose I ought to have a squint at the
> swivels on mine, see if there's anything in 'em.
Just had a look at mine (failed MoT on swivel play, amongst other things).
The offside one (the one it failed on) had zero, zilch, nothing in there,
the nearside had a teaspoonful of rusty water. I had renewed the oil in
January. Good things, MoTs, really.
--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)
