Series 3 Front oil seal

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Hello fellow Landy folk,

I hope there is someone with greater knowledge than me on this subject…that should not be difficult!
On dismantling , inspecting and now rebuilding the engine of our series 3…we have come across a challenge with the front oil seal that fits around the crankshaft in the timing cover.

The timing cover is unlikely to have been serviced previously? As the mud shield is still riveted in and not converted to either self tapper fitted or some tapped in machine screws, as described by many as a good mod…

My problem though is something different that I have struggled to find any info on. When removing the old seal it had been seated in what seems to be an ‘L’ shaped in section insert within the circular hole that the standard seal would fit in…by default this makes the hole in the timing cover about 0.8mm smaller.

The seal I removed was seated into this metal sub insert. It took patience to carefully remove the seal from this insert, as correctly some sealant had been used.

I have tried everything I can thin I of to refit a new seal. Heat, bearing press etc…all failed as I expected as the insert is simply too small for either the Britpart oil seal or the brown coloured OEM one…

Currently I have inserted the oil seal in as far as it will go, which is just about flush with the inner face of the timing cover. I was going to see if that would be far enough ion when reassembling onto the block and the pulley etc is all fitted.

Another more serious option is to try and remove this unusual insert and fit the seal as I think is more typical.

This insert must be there for a reason??? Could LR have run out of the correct size of seal and used an insert to overcome the issue???

If I am being stupid, overlooking something or because this is all new to me, I am braced to be told the obvious…but if it is a puzzle and someone else knows the issue and has solved it before, I would really like to hear from you.

Many thanks in advance…
 
Hello fellow Landy folk,

I hope there is someone with greater knowledge than me on this subject…that should not be difficult!
On dismantling , inspecting and now rebuilding the engine of our series 3…we have come across a challenge with the front oil seal that fits around the crankshaft in the timing cover.

The timing cover is unlikely to have been serviced previously? As the mud shield is still riveted in and not converted to either self tapper fitted or some tapped in machine screws, as described by many as a good mod…

My problem though is something different that I have struggled to find any info on. When removing the old seal it had been seated in what seems to be an ‘L’ shaped in section insert within the circular hole that the standard seal would fit in…by default this makes the hole in the timing cover about 0.8mm smaller.

The seal I removed was seated into this metal sub insert. It took patience to carefully remove the seal from this insert, as correctly some sealant had been used.

I have tried everything I can thin I of to refit a new seal. Heat, bearing press etc…all failed as I expected as the insert is simply too small for either the Britpart oil seal or the brown coloured OEM one…

Currently I have inserted the oil seal in as far as it will go, which is just about flush with the inner face of the timing cover. I was going to see if that would be far enough ion when reassembling onto the block and the pulley etc is all fitted.

Another more serious option is to try and remove this unusual insert and fit the seal as I think is more typical.

This insert must be there for a reason??? Could LR have run out of the correct size of seal and used an insert to overcome the issue???

If I am being stupid, overlooking something or because this is all new to me, I am braced to be told the obvious…but if it is a puzzle and someone else knows the issue and has solved it before, I would really like to hear from you.

Many thanks in advance…
Petrol, diesel, 3 bearing, 5 bearing, or a non standard engine?

Some pictures of the set up, and the whole engine, would be very helpful.
 
Dunt oil from the front just dribble down past the chain and through the slot in the sump.
I honestly can’t remember :confused:
 
It is a 2.25 petrol 3 bearing standard engine. Everything so far has been very standard and as expected…this strange bit of insert to change the size of the hole through the cast timing cover is odd? I am new to the forum, but will try and upload a photo…
 
It is a 2.25 petrol 3 bearing standard engine. Everything so far has been very standard and as expected…this strange bit of insert to change the size of the hole through the cast timing cover is odd? I am new to the forum, but will try and upload a photo…
Could be that the original hole was worn, so the previous owner made the insert to take the seal.
In which case, you can either make another insert that fits the seal, or get a new timing cover.

Try Copy and Paste from your puter photo gallery for the pics.
 
I cannot work out how to add a picture…sorry?
Copy and paste the pic should work but you may have to resize the pics.
I had same issue trying to upload pics but once I'd resized to a size 'best for websites' (I can't remember what that was) i managed to upload by 'copy and paste'
 
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