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Might need some uprated gears for the lt230 for yin o them
Engine swap options?
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Better springs, too!Might need some uprated gears for the lt230 for yin o them
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Zvezda M503 just under 4000hp
or............ye old 2 stroke derv
Ive got a lister 6/1 maybe i.ll just put that in
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Cool does it run, btw ive got 200tdi I might me taking out....
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No worries
Not saying you have to like or dislike anything. But on paper and real world the Tdi (and even the 19J) where way ahead of the competition in terms of performance. Which is normally the main metric road vehicle engines are rated by, at least by the public and such.
The 19j might not have been the most reliable engine, but it actually isn't that bad and certainly not back in the day. But the Tdi units are genuinely solid and reliable engines. The only thing they lacked was refinement. Although to be fair, most other diesels of the era also lacked this too. The Td5 is a remarkably good engine too and moved the game on again. And barring a few foibles are also very reliable engines.
Not saying other makers didn't produce good engines too. Just during the mid 80s through to the late 90s, their diesels tended to lag behind in comparable 4x4 vehicles for the most part, at least when you compared cylinder count and displacement.
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They are expensive to properly refurbish, currently tracing down all the bits at the moment, or at least all of them I can find as sme parts are either unicorn horns or as pricey as them, or both
But, I will do it to get it back into the vehicle, its the original block from the factory and I want to keep it.
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Tdi are one of the better Landrover engines, quite happy to go with that.No worries
Not saying you have to like or dislike anything. But on paper and real world the Tdi (and even the 19J) where way ahead of the competition in terms of performance. Which is normally the main metric road vehicle engines are rated by, at least by the public and such.
The 19j might not have been the most reliable engine, but it actually isn't that bad and certainly not back in the day. But the Tdi units are genuinely solid and reliable engines. The only thing they lacked was refinement. Although to be fair, most other diesels of the era also lacked this too. The Td5 is a remarkably good engine too and moved the game on again. And barring a few foibles are also very reliable engines.
Not saying other makers didn't produce good engines too. Just during the mid 80s through to the late 90s, their diesels tended to lag behind in comparable 4x4 vehicles for the most part, at least when you compared cylinder count and displacement.
But as usual with British stuff, Landrovers were always a history of chronic under investment.
They needed to be, because their intended market, a multi purpose farm vehicle, disappeared when they were first built.
So everything was always done to a price, including engine development.
The engines used in tractors and boats, on the other hand, were built to be reliable.
With tractors, as you will know, reliability is essential to getting in harvests, and people making their livings.
With seagoing boats, especially single engined ones, the engine will often mean the difference between life and death.
So manufacturers, and buyers, aren't so concerned with price as with cars and 4x4s, more with reliability, which in turn is a factor of build quality.
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Forgot. I actually used a 19j Ninety for work for 8 years, mostly round the farm, but also towing a cattle trailer to Carlisle, Surrey, and various shows.No worries
Not saying you have to like or dislike anything. But on paper and real world the Tdi (and even the 19J) where way ahead of the competition in terms of performance. Which is normally the main metric road vehicle engines are rated by, at least by the public and such.
The 19j might not have been the most reliable engine, but it actually isn't that bad and certainly not back in the day. But the Tdi units are genuinely solid and reliable engines. The only thing they lacked was refinement. Although to be fair, most other diesels of the era also lacked this too. The Td5 is a remarkably good engine too and moved the game on again. And barring a few foibles are also very reliable engines.
Not saying other makers didn't produce good engines too. Just during the mid 80s through to the late 90s, their diesels tended to lag behind in comparable 4x4 vehicles for the most part, at least when you compared cylinder count and displacement.
And I agree, they aren't actually as bad as people say, although not very fast. You don't go fast with live animals in the back anyway.
But, as in my post above, 19j were a stopgap measure, another adaptation of the old 2286cc engines, until yet another adaptation, the Tdi, came along.
I never understood why Land Rover didn't do what so many other makers of all kinds of kit did, and simply buy in engines from Perkins.
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They did, but I think there is still worth in their own development too. Buying in you are at mercy of others plus likely a higher unit cost and no real control on the direction of development and supply.
Land Rover used the VM Motori diesel engine in the Range Rover and Rover 800. They also used the Perkins in the Montego. The Perkins was likely underpowered for the Land Rover Ninety & One Ten and the VM unit probably quite a bit more money.
Also buying in engines doesn't mean they are automatically better or trouble free either. And as demonstrated, the technical know how of the Rover group (and predecessors) was able to produce class matching and beating engines time and time again. Several of which where then themselves sold on to other car makers such as the Triumph slant 4 which was built for Saab and which Saab then produced in-house right up until around the year 2000 in many different guises including turbocharged.
The Rover KV6 was sold to Kia who then also built it and used it in their cars. Plus lots of smaller companies such as Morgan, Lotus, TVR, Ginetta and many versions of London taxi used the Land Rover diesel engines too.
And the reason is???
I would also say keep the original, but if I was going to suggest a replacement it would be a LR engine (probably a V8)
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A rover V8 is pointless in that being a straight 6 originally.And the reason is???
I would also say keep the original, but if I was going to suggest a replacement it would be a LR engine (probably a V8)
J
Anyone would know that.
Either put a powerful big straight six in it or keep it original...
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Have you been in a Cummins 6cyl turbo powered land rover?
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Oh and by the way that really didnt help with the reason why it should be a choice.
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Not really very original or in-keeping with the Land Rover. Early Cummins engines are not all that powerful either... only latter ones or modified ones. Plus they weigh something like 900lbs!!! I'm a big Dodge Ram and Cummins fan, but think they are not the right sort of engine in any Land Rover really. Just missing the point of the Landy.
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The VMs. I think are also used in Jeeps, and they were rubbish.
I only meant Land Rovers as in Series and Ninety One/Ten, I don't engage with Range Rovers and the like,and never have.
I find it quite hard to think how you could improve on the 4 and 6 cylinder indirect injection Perks that were around at that time.
I have had quite a number, in Land Rovers and Tractors, always thought they were fantastic engines, Gear driven, robust, and economical.
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Yep so keep the 6 cyl original or fit something big if you had read my post you might of got what I said
