Electric Series III??

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I think in the future we'll all be changing over to electric engines. For me the thing that is stopping me is the cost of the batteries and the amount of space and weight they would need / make.

There's a wheeler dealer episode where they re-do an electric conversion on a Maserati...
 
Turboman said:
Or I could convert it to steam power, and press the hay into briquettes to fuel it! :)
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Got a briquette maker thought it would be easy to dry them here in the sun after chopping up garden waste and shredded newspaper... Bloody hard work!!
So if you want a hardly used one it's yours for the postage.
Cheers
 
Shippers said:
Got a briquette maker thought it would be easy to dry them here in the sun after chopping up garden waste and shredded newspaper... Bloody hard work!!
So if you want a hardly used one it's yours for the postage.
Cheers
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Cheers! But I am trying to give up farming, and driving landrovers. Both are bad for my stress levels. :(

Being on my boat is calming. All diesel powered, diesel propulsion, diesel generator, and diesel fired heating! :)
 
Turboman said:
Cheers! But I am trying to give up farming, and driving landrovers. Both are bad for my stress levels. :(

Being on my boat is calming. All diesel powered, diesel propulsion, diesel generator, and diesel fired heating! :)
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Ha I was planning to buy a motor-sailer and do it up and head round the med exploring Italy and Greece but disaster struck 6 months ago I found a 101 and bought it instead so looks like I'll be doing it buy road! when I get it sorted that is
 
Shippers said:
Ha I was planning to buy a motor-sailer and do it up and head round the med exploring Italy and Greece but disaster struck 6 months ago I found a 101 and bought it instead so looks like I'll be doing it buy road! when I get it sorted that is
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Doubt if you will need much heating for that trip! :) Maybe consider fiting aircon instead! :D
 
Turboman said:
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Being on my boat is calming. All diesel powered, diesel propulsion, diesel generator, and diesel fired heating! :)
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What kind of boat have you got?

(Looking at your location I assume it isn't a narrow boat)

Now an electric motor on your boat - wouldn't that be nice?

Holland has started the banning of diesel engined / petrol engined boats in Amsterdam (perhaps Utrecht too) and has enforced electric only by the way...
 
Stretch said:
What kind of boat have you got?

(Looking at your location I assume it isn't a narrow boat)

Now an electric motor on your boat - wouldn't that be nice?

Holland has started the banning of diesel engined / petrol engined boats in Amsterdam (perhaps Utrecht too) and has enforced electric only by the way...
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65 ft Narrow boat, it is on the Cambridgeshire levels.

I like my diesels, thanks, that is what I grew up with, and that is what I like. And I am glad I live in the UK, not is a fascist Euro state that bans peoples boats.
Electric propulsion is a complete red herring, very bad for the environment. You are just converting the energy into different forms, with all the waste that entails.
Hard to improve on the efficiency of burning the fuel where the power is actually needed.
Here is the boat.

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/boats-again.312608/
 
Turboman said:
65 ft Narrow boat, it is on the Cambridgeshire levels.

I like my diesels, thanks, that is what I grew up with, and that is what I like. And I am glad I live in the UK, not is a fascist Euro state that bans peoples boats.
Electric propulsion is a complete red herring, very bad for the environment. You are just converting the energy into different forms, with all the waste that entails.
Hard to improve on the efficiency of burning the fuel where the power is actually needed.
Here is the boat.

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/boats-again.312608/
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I wouldn't call it a fascist regime it is more of an extension of the suburban attitude many have to neighbourhood noise. I understand the Amsterdam internal combustion engine ban for pleasure boats was purely because the rich didn't want to hear that clatter anymore. I don't think this attitude is unique to Europe.

I agree with you about diesel engines - I think for the current time they are actually quite a good compromise. However, once battery technology gets better (and it will have to be way better!) I think it will eventually be a no brainer from a technological point of view.

I'm not sure if the BBC news followed the story but apparently even in Texas there's a right wing conservative mayor who is pushing for wind power technology rather than oil simply for economic reasons. I figure if conservative right wing oil orientated Texans are prepared to swap oil for wind then the writing really is on the wall for the internal combustion engine...
 
Stretch said:
I wouldn't call it a fascist regime it is more of an extension of the suburban attitude many have to neighbourhood noise. I understand the Amsterdam internal combustion engine ban for pleasure boats was purely because the rich didn't want to hear that clatter anymore. I don't think this attitude is unique to Europe.

I agree with you about diesel engines - I think for the current time they are actually quite a good compromise. However, once battery technology gets better (and it will have to be way better!) I think it will eventually be a no brainer from a technological point of view.

I'm not sure if the BBC news followed the story but apparently even in Texas there's a right wing conservative mayor who is pushing for wind power technology rather than oil simply for economic reasons. I figure if conservative right wing oil orientated Texans are prepared to swap oil for wind then the writing really is on the wall for the internal combustion engine...
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They are right in that electric is good for the people in the locality. But it doesn't help the broader environment at all. And I agree about the batteries! :)

I am quite into renewables, I have 600W of solar panels on the boat, and my own turbine at the farm, been generating since 2012, and we sell all the power to the Grid. Renewables have a long way to go before they are a total solution, but they are getting better. As with vehicles, it is the power storage that is the key.

Not heard about the Texan chap, the cynic in me would enquire as to how many turbines and panels he has on his ranch? ;):D
 
http://evalbum.com/type/LAND

I often pop into that site to check out the latest conversions. There are some really interesting ones on there and you can learn a lot by following the builds on that site or from the links from them.

Range is always the limiting factor to converting a car to electric - fine if you just poodle around town, but if you want to go distances, you have to expect long fill up times and a lot more frequently than filling a petrol/diesel tank.

The main limiting factor for doing a conversion though is cost! The parts are hugely expensive. The motors and batteries are not cheap. The conversion is not simple either. Obviously the heater will need to be electric, but anything running off vacume - ie brakes need adapting and bits buying. Donno if a 76 Series is servo assisted. You definitely don't have to worry about altering the security and ABS systems on an SIII !

I recon the Freelander 1 is about the best Landie to convert. It has an almost 'normal' FWD setup and a rear axle driven via a PTO from the front with a viscous coupling bolted under the car in the middle of the props. Most Freelanders are 2WD anyway having had the props removed - so bolt up a motor where the VCU goes to drive the back axle and you got yourself a hybrid! LR did produce a (or a couple) of prototye hybrid on the F2.
 
GrumpyGel said:
http://evalbum.com/type/LAND

I often pop into that site to check out the latest conversions. There are some really interesting ones on there and you can learn a lot by following the builds on that site or from the links from them.

Range is always the limiting factor to converting a car to electric - fine if you just poodle around town, but if you want to go distances, you have to expect long fill up times and a lot more frequently than filling a petrol/diesel tank.

The main limiting factor for doing a conversion though is cost! The parts are hugely expensive. The motors and batteries are not cheap. The conversion is not simple either. Obviously the heater will need to be electric, but anything running off vacume - ie brakes need adapting and bits buying. Donno if a 76 Series is servo assisted. You definitely don't have to worry about altering the security and ABS systems on an SIII !

I recon the Freelander 1 is about the best Landie to convert. It has an almost 'normal' FWD setup and a rear axle driven via a PTO from the front with a viscous coupling bolted under the car in the middle of the props. Most Freelanders are 2WD anyway having had the props removed - so bolt up a motor where the VCU goes to drive the back axle and you got yourself a hybrid! LR did produce a (or a couple) of prototye hybrid on the F2.
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Agreeing with all of that. And also, another limiting factor is going to be space. Loadspace in landrovers tends to be quite limited anyway, and you have to find somewhere to fit the bulky batteries and motors in as well.
 
Turboman said:
Agreeing with all of that. And also, another limiting factor is going to be space. Loadspace in landrovers tends to be quite limited anyway, and you have to find somewhere to fit the bulky batteries and motors in as well.
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EV motors are actually quite small, there's more than enough space in a Landie. I'm also not sure, but it might be able to bolt it to the transfer box rather than gearbox as you'd still have a gearing option and that would free up even more space. Even the batteries are getting smaller these days per KWH.

A bigger problem on a Landie would be finding a bit of the chassis not riddled with rust to bolt it to :eek:
 
GrumpyGel said:
EV motors are actually quite small, there's more than enough space in a Landie. I'm also not sure, but it might be able to bolt it to the transfer box rather than gearbox as you'd still have a gearing option and that would free up even more space. Even the batteries are getting smaller these days per KWH.

A bigger problem on a Landie would be finding a bit of the chassis not riddled with rust to bolt it to :eek:
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Batteries may be getting smaller, but there is very little free space in a SWB series or a Ninety. None in the front, unless you want batts in the cubby box, and the loadspace in the back is only three feet long, less the width of my spare wheel, bolted to the bulkhead.

Nothing wrong with my chassis at all, rock solid. But anything bolted to it would adversely impact on ground clearance.
 
With the engine out would there not be quite a bit of space under the bonnet even accounting for the motor? It depends very much on the battery size but series seem to have quite a bit of room in the wings/behind panels that might be usable without needing to use internal space or to minimise the clearance.
 
If you look at this SIII (from that album above)....

http://evalbum.com/4489

It has the motor bolted to the transfer box - so it occupies the gearbox space and leaves the engine bay empty. That is then filled with batteries, as are the spaces under the seats (no fuel tank needed). It also says it has a box of batteries in the back, but no picture. It can't be that big because it also says its a 5 seater with 2 in the back.

Its a "pukker" quality conversion - with a conversion cost to match.

Says it has a range of 124 miles and top speed of 67mph. Acceleration is about the same as stock ICE.
 
Yeah, that does look a little strange- I was thinking of the seat cavities. Obviously wouldn't want to impact on clearance too much- that being said I'm not sure how low the lowest bit is down there- what type of clearance is there on a series?
 
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