EAS problem

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stueep38

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Evening all

I had a problem with my p38 a few weeks ago. The car dropped onto the bump stops so I bought a new EAS compressor from LR and it worked as normal. Went away for a week in it and on the way home she dropped again and wouldn't raise!! I called LR and they replaced the compressor for free and I fitted it on Tuesday and all was good!! Until just now, she won't raise again and is sat on the bump stops!!

Anyone got any ideas??
 
stueep38 said:
Evening all

I had a problem with my p38 a few weeks ago. The car dropped onto the bump stops so I bought a new EAS compressor from LR and it worked as normal. Went away for a week in it and on the way home she dropped again and wouldn't raise!! I called LR and they replaced the compressor for free and I fitted it on Tuesday and all was good!! Until just now, she won't raise again and is sat on the bump stops!!

Anyone got any ideas??
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The compressors do not last long if they are feeding a leak:eek:
What a waste of cash replacing the compressor without using diagnostics to see what the fault was or even checking the airsprings to see if the are knackered, they have a design life of 7/8 years 80K miles, so unless yours have been changed they are knackered.
 
Datatek said:
The compressors do not last long if they are feeding a leak:eek:
What a waste of cash replacing the compressor without using diagnostics to see what the fault was or even checking the airsprings to see if the are knackered, they have a design life of 7/8 years 80K miles, so unless yours have been changed they are knackered.
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Had the car plugged in by A LR chap for cash and it bought up no faults. I took it to a friend of mine who plugged it in also and was trying to turn the compressor on/off and it wouldn't function. Everything else came up normal so bought a new pump. It was fine but now it's not....
 
As Keith says, fix the problem. Without doing that next time you go to get a compressor to feed the leaks, go to Machine Mart, it may have a better chance.
 
stueep38 said:
Had the car plugged in by A LR chap for cash and it bought up no faults. I took it to a friend of mine who plugged it in also and was trying to turn the compressor on/off and it wouldn't function. Everything else came up normal so bought a new pump. It was fine but now it's not....
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So the pump has cooked the thermal safety trip because it was running too much, as I said it's feeding a leak.
 
stueep38 said:
Had the car plugged in by A LR chap for cash and it bought up no faults. I took it to a friend of mine who plugged it in also and was trying to turn the compressor on/off and it wouldn't function. Everything else came up normal so bought a new pump. It was fine but now it's not....
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The diagnostics will not tell you about leaks. The thermal switch had possibly failed through feeding leaks.
 
Hi, if you can afford to do all 4 I would, I changed mine out when I purchased mine 6 months ago, they are a major part of the EAS , once done and all connections are good they should give you no more grief for a while. I purchased my 4 from island4x4 and received them within a couple of days, also you may consider some new clips too as the old ones will be stuck and you may have to abuse them to get them out. I paid £240 for all new bags and £7 for a set of new clips.
Hope this helps.
Paul.
 
Datatek said:
The compressors do not last long if they are feeding a leak:eek:
What a waste of cash replacing the compressor without using diagnostics to see what the fault was or even checking the airsprings to see if the are knackered, they have a design life of 7/8 years 80K miles, so unless yours have been changed they are knackered.
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Also forgot to mention beyore I ordered a new compressor I took the old one apart to check the seals and found the piston had in fact snapped so that's also why I replaced it. ;)
 
PPP38vouge said:
Hi, if you can afford to do all 4 I would, I changed mine out when I purchased mine 6 months ago, they are a major part of the EAS , once done and all connections are good they should give you no more grief for a while. I purchased my 4 from island4x4 and received them within a couple of days, also you may consider some new clips too as the old ones will be stuck and you may have to abuse them to get them out. I paid £240 for all new bags and £7 for a set of new clips.
Hope this helps.
Paul.
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Ok I'll order them on Monday and hopefully that will be the end of it :rolleyes:
 
Dont just replace them you need to check that that they are leaking
Get yourself a spray bottle and fill it with water and a little washing up liquid and spray everything that carrys/holds air your looking for bubbles ( get it to lift off the bump stops first) pay attention to the bags especially under the folds and the joints were the air lines go in then make sure the pipes have no damage ect...
 
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You will need the new compresser to lift it but dont go running around with it till you know you have no leaks
If the pumps banging its brains out chasing leaks it wont last long
Another way to localise a leak is to pull the eas relay (under the passenger seat visable from the door one the trim is removed) that will stop the eas self levaling so if any spring drops overnight thats what cuircit your leak is on
(Dont try running the engine with the relay out! It will just throw the eas into fault mode!)
 
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stueep38 said:
Ok any ideas how I get it off the bump stops? Thanks for your advice
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You can get an EAS emergency inflation kit. basically a couple of car valves attached to some 6 mm nylon pipe with some push-fit connectors to connect to your bag airlines. I'd avoid the one with the T-piece connectors as it is hard to tell if the bags or valve-block are leaking although generally the connectors are cr@p so a trip to a Norgren distributor for some straight connectors is a good idea anyway. They're dirt cheap anyway. Use a tyre compressor to fill the bags. You'll have to be careful as the bags are like a rubber tube with a plastic cap pressed on each end. Inflate too much and you'll blow it clean off. Inflate to 50psi all round first. It'll go up and the pressure will drop a bit and then you inflate a little more all round until she's at the normal height.

Once up to height, reach under the passenger seat and pull the delay timer out. Leave the car overnight / a few nights. The corner that goes down has a leak. If no leak in the bags do all the valve block tests in Wammers How To.

If it isn't the bags and it isn't the valve block, use your emergency EAS emergency inflation kit to directly fill the reservoir (pipe 6 IIRC) to 100 psi and leave that overnight. It shouldn't drop by more than a few psi. Mine didn't even manage 1 psi.

Only other thing that might be causing issues is the dryer - that's the cylinder connected to the valve-block with a loop of 8mm tubing. They're pretty cheap from Island or similar.

If 1 bag has gone the others will follow so you might as well do all 4. I used an old wire coat-hanger rather than a welding rod to pull the clips out but it really isn't a bad job. Datatek etc don't take out the wing lining to do the front bags but frankly it makes it SO easy and takes such little time I'd whip out the OSF one. NSF probably not worth it.

HTH,

J
 
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