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Mark Solesbury

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I was out in my 90 driving along a green lane near to my house on Sat night.
It has been really hot here the last few days, then it rained like a bastard
for a few hours. Anyway, whilst travelling along said lane, i braked. Bad
move. The ground was hard, and the grass was like ice. The back overtook the
front, and we ended up on the roof in a ditch. A big deep nasty one. It hit
on the NSF A pillar/wingl. We were all OK. I managed to nearly stop it
before it tipped over, but gravity had already taken over.

These are the results -
http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/bollocks/ (password is
bugger)

Me and the Mrs are ok, but my 90 is pretty bent. We managed to get out of
the back door - luckily i had fixed it the other day.

Luckily i managed to flag down another defender - it turned out to be the
people from 4x4 funerals and weddings (http://www.4x4funerals.co.uk/). They
were superb. I could not have recoverd it with out them. I owe them both. If
you read this, Thank you. We managed to get it on its wheels, but the ditch
was too steep for a 90 to pull it back up. Ended up getting a tractor!

So glad that i had bolted the high lift to the bulkhead. I would be in
hospital if that had hit me!

Anyway - What do you recon to the damage? Its goign to the garage tomorrow
for assesment.

This is what i can see needs replacing.

NS Front wing
Roof & Side pannels
2 doors
Windscreen & surround

One of my concerns is that the hinge where the windscreen fits to the
bulkhead is a bit bent. Can you repair bulkheads? It was in A1 condition
until last night. I was towed back to my uncles farm last night, so i know
that it steers ok, and that nothing i bent underneath.

What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?

What the hell am i going to do now.... :(



 
Mark Solesbury wrote:
> I was out in my 90 driving along a green lane near to my house on Sat night.
> It has been really hot here the last few days, then it rained like a bastard
> for a few hours. Anyway, whilst travelling along said lane, i braked. Bad
> move. The ground was hard, and the grass was like ice. The back overtook the
> front, and we ended up on the roof in a ditch. A big deep nasty one. It hit
> on the NSF A pillar/wingl. We were all OK. I managed to nearly stop it
> before it tipped over, but gravity had already taken over.
>
> These are the results -
> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/bollocks/ (password is
> bugger)
>
> Me and the Mrs are ok, but my 90 is pretty bent. We managed to get out of
> the back door - luckily i had fixed it the other day.
>
> Luckily i managed to flag down another defender - it turned out to be the
> people from 4x4 funerals and weddings (http://www.4x4funerals.co.uk/). They
> were superb. I could not have recoverd it with out them. I owe them both. If
> you read this, Thank you. We managed to get it on its wheels, but the ditch
> was too steep for a 90 to pull it back up. Ended up getting a tractor!
>
> So glad that i had bolted the high lift to the bulkhead. I would be in
> hospital if that had hit me!
>
> Anyway - What do you recon to the damage? Its goign to the garage tomorrow
> for assesment.
>
> This is what i can see needs replacing.
>
> NS Front wing
> Roof & Side pannels
> 2 doors
> Windscreen & surround
>
> One of my concerns is that the hinge where the windscreen fits to the
> bulkhead is a bit bent. Can you repair bulkheads? It was in A1 condition
> until last night. I was towed back to my uncles farm last night, so i know
> that it steers ok, and that nothing i bent underneath.
>
> What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
> have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
> places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?
>
> What the hell am i going to do now.... :(
>
>
>

So pleased you both manage to extricate yourselves without injury. Looks
quite dramatic in the ditch. I'd have expected more damage.

--
Regards

Steve G
 
Mark Solesbury wrote:
> I was out in my 90 driving along a green lane near to my house on Sat night.
> It has been really hot here the last few days, then it rained like a bastard
> for a few hours. Anyway, whilst travelling along said lane, i braked. Bad
> move. The ground was hard, and the grass was like ice. The back overtook the
> front, and we ended up on the roof in a ditch. A big deep nasty one. It hit
> on the NSF A pillar/wingl. We were all OK. I managed to nearly stop it
> before it tipped over, but gravity had already taken over.
>
> These are the results -
> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/bollocks/ (password is
> bugger)
>
> Me and the Mrs are ok, but my 90 is pretty bent. We managed to get out of
> the back door - luckily i had fixed it the other day.
>
> Luckily i managed to flag down another defender - it turned out to be the
> people from 4x4 funerals and weddings (http://www.4x4funerals.co.uk/). They
> were superb. I could not have recoverd it with out them. I owe them both. If
> you read this, Thank you. We managed to get it on its wheels, but the ditch
> was too steep for a 90 to pull it back up. Ended up getting a tractor!
>
> So glad that i had bolted the high lift to the bulkhead. I would be in
> hospital if that had hit me!
>
> Anyway - What do you recon to the damage? Its goign to the garage tomorrow
> for assesment.
>
> This is what i can see needs replacing.
>
> NS Front wing
> Roof & Side pannels
> 2 doors
> Windscreen & surround
>
> One of my concerns is that the hinge where the windscreen fits to the
> bulkhead is a bit bent. Can you repair bulkheads? It was in A1 condition
> until last night. I was towed back to my uncles farm last night, so i know
> that it steers ok, and that nothing i bent underneath.
>
> What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
> have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
> places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?
>
> What the hell am i going to do now.... :(

Makes you wonder about the limited roll over protection Mark!

Glad you're all OK.


--

Subaru WRX
Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)
110 Hi Cap (Ben)

'"Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one"


 
On or around Mon, 8 May 2006 14:39:38 +0100, "Mark Solesbury"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>These are the results -
>http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/bollocks/ (password is
>bugger)

ooops.

>Me and the Mrs are ok,

that's the important bit

>Anyway - What do you recon to the damage? Its goign to the garage tomorrow
>for assesment.
>
>This is what i can see needs replacing.
>
>NS Front wing
>Roof & Side pannels
>2 doors
>Windscreen & surround
>
>One of my concerns is that the hinge where the windscreen fits to the
>bulkhead is a bit bent. Can you repair bulkheads? It was in A1 condition
>until last night. I was towed back to my uncles farm last night, so i know
>that it steers ok, and that nothing i bent underneath.
>
>What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
>have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
>places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?
>
>What the hell am i going to do now.... :(

That rather depends. Will the insurance cover it? Not necessarily relevant
as they'd be likely to write it off.

Your options range from "hammer it straight enough to fit a windscreen and
carry on driving it" to replacing everything that's damaged.

The only thing I'd question in your list is the bulkhead. It might hammer
straight but you might end up replacing it. The doors might straighten,
though... what about bonnet?

If you do the work yourself, it's not gonna cost a huge amount, especially
if you get second-hand panels.

'course, if I do end up building the transit/minibus hybrid I'll have a
whole lot of 110 bodywork for sale :)



--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
Mark Solesbury wrote:
-snip-
> What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
> have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
> places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?
>
> What the hell am i going to do now.... :(

Commiserations and glad you're all OK...

How long was it running upside down? There could have been oil
starvation if run upside down for any time. A friend rolled his car
and thought all was OK, engine-wise. He proceeded to fit a completely
new bodyshell (Nissan Silvia Turbo) then the engine blew up a few
hundred miles later. This was a petrol engine, so I don't know the
difference between that and yours.


--
Regards,
Danny

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http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply

 


>I was out in my 90 driving along a green lane near to my house on Sat
>night.

<snip taleof woe>

> What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
> have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
> places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?
>
> What the hell am i going to do now.... :(

Where's yer ABS when you need it ;-/

Commiserations - at least you're both OK unlike a couple of kids I came
across in a similar situation almost year ago to the day - metal you can
repair!


 
On Mon, 8 May 2006 14:39:38 +0100, "Mark Solesbury"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
>have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
>places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?
>
>What the hell am i going to do now.... :(

Sorry about the landy, though i'm sure it can be fixed!
Te only complicated bit is going to be the bulkhead. I'd be tempted to
see what a big hammer or a bit of heavy duty lifting/pushing/pulling
can do to it.

Regarding the engine - oil cant get to many of the wrong places can
it? Letting it sit for a while to drain back to where it should be (as
you have done) sounds like a fairly good plan. Check the levels and
see if they are all where they should be.

Can oil get into the bores if you leave it upside down? If so it just
a case of turning it over on the starter for a while with the
plugs/injectors out and evicting it.

 
Tom Woods wrote:

> Can oil get into the bores if you leave it upside down?

Only if the piston rings are bolloxed ?

Steve
 
On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:01:18 +0100, Steve Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

->Tom Woods wrote:
->
->> Can oil get into the bores if you leave it upside down?
->
->Only if the piston rings are bolloxed ?

We are taking about a Land Rover are we not, I would pull the plugs and turn it
over to get the oil out before trying to start it, it's a lot cheaper then the
alternative.

Then check all the other oils have not drained thru the breathers.


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net
 

"Geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:01:18 +0100, Steve Taylor <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> ->Tom Woods wrote:
> ->
> ->> Can oil get into the bores if you leave it upside down?
> ->
> ->Only if the piston rings are bolloxed ?
>
> We are taking about a Land Rover are we not, I would pull the plugs and
turn it
> over to get the oil out before trying to start it, it's a lot cheaper then
the
> alternative.
>
> Then check all the other oils have not drained thru the breathers

Is it a case of takign the injectors out, turning it over, screwing them
back in?

Do they have to be pressuriesed?

Mark

9090


 
Mark Solesbury wrote:

> Is it a case of takign the injectors out, turning it over, screwing them
> back in?
>
> Do they have to be pressuriesed?
>

No.

Steve
 
On Tue, 9 May 2006 13:59:32 +0100, "Mark Solesbury"
<[email protected]> wrote:


->> Then check all the other oils have not drained thru the breathers
->
->Is it a case of takign the injectors out, turning it over, screwing them
->back in?

I would take out the glow plugs.


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net
 
On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:01:18 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> Can oil get into the bores if you leave it upside down?
>
>Only if the piston rings are bolloxed ?

Well its a landrover so stranger things have happenend!.

If 2 of the pistons were at the top of the bore, and the engine was
upside down then those 2 pistons could have sat with the bottom of the
bore full of oil from the sump and sitting on the bottom of them (if
that makes sense) - so it would surely test the seal of the rings?

What happens to the splits at the ends of the rings? Is there not a
tiny gap there? Do these seal up when the engine is running and warm?


If my landrove engine were upside down all the oil would leak out of
the oil breather on the top of the rocker cover!

 
On Tue, 9 May 2006 13:59:32 +0100, "Mark Solesbury"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Is it a case of takign the injectors out, turning it over, screwing them
>back in?
>
>Do they have to be pressuriesed?

Like geoff says - it might be easier to do the glow plugs instead.

I'd also disable the diesel feed while doing this. remove the power to
the fuel cut off solenoid on the pump (presuming all diesels have one
of these like my 2.5 n/a?) so that you dont get fuel in there for now.

turn it over and see what comes out! (might be worth putting a big
dust sheet or rag over the top while you do this to catch stuff)

Have you checked the oil level? thinking about my engine, if upside
down the top breather would leak lots and also get quite full of oil.
Worth checking if it has leaked on yours and cleaning the oil out of
where it shouldnt be.


 
Tom Woods wrote:

> On Tue, 9 May 2006 13:59:32 +0100, "Mark Solesbury"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Is it a case of takign the injectors out, turning it over, screwing them
>>back in?
>>
>>Do they have to be pressurised?
>
>
> Like geoff says - it might be easier to do the glow plugs instead.
>
> I'd also disable the diesel feed while doing this. remove the power to
> the fuel cut off solenoid on the pump (presuming all diesels have one
> of these like my 2.5 n/a?) so that you dont get fuel in there for now.
>
> turn it over and see what comes out! (might be worth putting a big
> dust sheet or rag over the top while you do this to catch stuff)
>
> Have you checked the oil level? thinking about my engine, if upside
> down the top breather would leak lots and also get quite full of oil.
> Worth checking if it has leaked on yours and cleaning the oil out of
> where it shouldnt be.

It's always safer to turn the engine by hand initially after long
periods of inversion. It'll give you some control over events.
 
On Tue, 09 May 2006 19:13:20 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>It's always safer to turn the engine by hand initially after long
>periods of inversion. It'll give you some control over events.

That does make sense! I will bear this in mind for when i ever drown
or roll a car! ;)
 

"Mark Solesbury" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was out in my 90 driving along a green lane near to my house on Sat
night.
> It has been really hot here the last few days, then it rained like a
bastard
> for a few hours. Anyway, whilst travelling along said lane, i braked. Bad
> move. The ground was hard, and the grass was like ice. The back overtook
the
> front, and we ended up on the roof in a ditch. A big deep nasty one. It
hit
> on the NSF A pillar/wingl. We were all OK. I managed to nearly stop it
> before it tipped over, but gravity had already taken over.
>
> These are the results -
> http://public.fotki.com/marksolesbury/my_land_rovers/bollocks/ (password
is
> bugger)
>
> Me and the Mrs are ok, but my 90 is pretty bent. We managed to get out of
> the back door - luckily i had fixed it the other day.
>
> Luckily i managed to flag down another defender - it turned out to be the
> people from 4x4 funerals and weddings (http://www.4x4funerals.co.uk/).
They
> were superb. I could not have recoverd it with out them. I owe them both.
If
> you read this, Thank you. We managed to get it on its wheels, but the
ditch
> was too steep for a 90 to pull it back up. Ended up getting a tractor!
>
> So glad that i had bolted the high lift to the bulkhead. I would be in
> hospital if that had hit me!
>
> Anyway - What do you recon to the damage? Its goign to the garage tomorrow
> for assesment.
>
> This is what i can see needs replacing.
>
> NS Front wing
> Roof & Side pannels
> 2 doors
> Windscreen & surround
>
> One of my concerns is that the hinge where the windscreen fits to the
> bulkhead is a bit bent. Can you repair bulkheads? It was in A1 condition
> until last night. I was towed back to my uncles farm last night, so i know
> that it steers ok, and that nothing i bent underneath.
>
> What will have happend to the engine? It was in the ditch for 2 hours. I
> have not even tried to turn it over. I imagine that there will be oil in
> places there should not be. How do i go about getting it out?
>
> What the hell am i going to do now.... :(
>

Took the plunge before the insurance picked it up.... Checked the air
filter, and it was clean so i turned it over. It started 1st time - Only ran
it for literally 3 seconds.

It smoked like a bastard. Lots and Lots of white smoke

If it is written off, and i do buy it back - whats the best way of sorting
this?

Mark





 
Mark Solesbury wrote:

>
> Took the plunge before the insurance picked it up.... Checked the air
> filter, and it was clean so i turned it over. It started 1st time - Only ran
> it for literally 3 seconds.
>
> It smoked like a bastard. Lots and Lots of white smoke
>
> If it is written off, and i do buy it back - whats the best way of sorting
> this?

Let it run - it's only burning off misplaced oil - it'll settle down
perfectly given a wee bit of a run.

--
EMB
 
> > Took the plunge before the insurance picked it up.... Checked the air
> > filter, and it was clean so i turned it over. It started 1st time - Only
ran
> > it for literally 3 seconds.
> >
> > It smoked like a bastard. Lots and Lots of white smoke
> >
> > If it is written off, and i do buy it back - whats the best way of
sorting
> > this?
>
> Let it run - it's only burning off misplaced oil - it'll settle down
> perfectly given a wee bit of a run.
>
> --
> EMB

Thanks for that - Its what i wanted to hear.

What ****ed me off the most is that i spent £600 on a cam belt change and a
full service on Tuesday, and ditched it on Saturday. :(

At least its fresh oil that went everywhere!

Mark



 
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