Dislocation cone testing

As i kept losing my spings with standard cones i now have ones that catch the last loop of the spring

nice mate lookin good were did you get your roll cage from??? if you don't mind me asking coz it looks a nice tight fit to some ive seen

It was off a mate who used to make them he has gone bust now so no longer can get hold of the same cage sorry

nice to see another Gwyn Lewis rip off...

Should have given the money to the man himself.

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Nice i have the same, but in my defence ref Gwyn they were already on the car.
Is that the 5"+ shocks on the rear as well?
What springs are you running


Lynall

bought some of them when i got my +5" shocks, they worked well when i had a go at a the twist off at a show but found in the real off roading world they frequently don't catch the spring and kept pushing the spring between the tyre and the chassis.

told the local terrafirma dealer about the prob who sent them back to them.

all of my mates who are fitting +5" shocks are going down the axle mounted dislocation (relocation) cone route.http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/products_php.php?cat=3

lynall said:

Nice i have the same, but in my defence ref Gwyn they were already on the car.
Is that the 5"+ shocks on the rear as well?
What springs are you running


Lynall

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yep +5 shocks front and rear and running
Terrafirma front and rear Springs +2" medium load

Defender90Dave said:

bought some of them when i got my +5" shocks, they worked well when i had a go at a the twist off at a show but found in the real off roading world they frequently don't catch the spring and kept pushing the spring between the tyre and the chassis.

told the local terrafirma dealer about the prob who sent them back to them.

all of my mates who are fitting +5" shocks are going down the axle mounted dislocation (relocation) cone route.http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/products_php.php?cat=3

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I run the terrafirma +5" shocks with axle mounted cones, never had a problem with them relocating ...and they don't make the awful noises when relocating like some chassis mounted versions do.

My mate runs the same +5" shocks but with devon 4x4 chassis mounted cones but they didn't always catch the spring on return, he had to buy another set that stick out at a strange angle to sort it out :doh:

90boy said:

As i kept losing my spings with standard cones i now have ones that catch the last loop of the spring

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I'm running +2" shocks all round (TerraFirma) with 2" lift springs (medium duty) on a Disco 1, I belive the the springs and shocks are the same as on a 90.
I found the back springs were continuously dislocating so purchased some TF520 dislocation cones with the hook (look like the same as yours) LINK.

I've only fitted one and the hook is hitting the springs all the time, even when I climb onto the roof rack. I'm wondering if it needs bending in a little more.

If you get the time could you post a pic of the rear spring and cone when sitting level. I want to see how close the hook is to the spring.

Thanks
Nick.

Boris113 said:

I run the terrafirma +5" shocks with axle mounted cones, never had a problem with them relocating ...and they don't make the awful noises when relocating like some chassis mounted versions do.

My mate runs the same +5" shocks but with devon 4x4 chassis mounted cones but they didn't always catch the spring on return, he had to buy another set that stick out at a strange angle to sort it out :doh:

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i agree i have the inverted rear cones (axle mounted ) couple of guys i go out laning with have chassis type bloody noisey and dont always re-locate

bollox... something I should have mounted when I fitted the new suspension, dislocation cones!!

had it on my disco and they were handy but for some stupid reason I didnt fit them when i changed the 90 suspension a couple of weeks ago!

what's the worst it can happen if the spring comes out of place and I dont have dislocation cones?

[JP];1663232 said:

bollox... something I should have mounted when I fitted the new suspension, dislocation cones!!

had it on my disco and they were handy but for some stupid reason I didnt fit them when i changed the 90 suspension a couple of weeks ago!

what's the worst it can happen if the spring comes out of place and I dont have dislocation cones?

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you could loose a spring if it dont re seat properly and gets pushed onto tyre, suppose also tyre damage is possible

cant really loose the spring as I have retainer plates?

[JP];1663232 said:

bollox... something I should have mounted when I fitted the new suspension, dislocation cones!!

had it on my disco and they were handy but for some stupid reason I didnt fit them when i changed the 90 suspension a couple of weeks ago!

what's the worst it can happen if the spring comes out of place and I dont have dislocation cones?

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This was on my previous standard setup. Not sure what went first? Dislocated spring causing broken shock or broken shock causing dislocated spring.

Either way it fast tracked a 2" lift.

One of the guys I lane with had excessive tyre wall wear when the spring unknowingly dislocated and was rubbing on the tyre wall.

bollox!! better put some cones on it then!

why i didnt do it in the first place im still to figure out!

[JP];1664586 said:

cant really loose the spring as I have retainer plates?

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if spring touches tyre it gets pulled from retaining plates, there's a photo on here somewhere of me in my undies thigh deep, searching a water hole for a spring, ohh and i had retaining plates and cones fitted

found the thread,
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f12/mac4x4-fundraiser-holymoorside-piccy-thread-115163.html

90boy said:

As i kept losing my spings with standard cones i now have ones that catch the last loop of the spring

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Surely the answer would have been to use a better, i.e. more appropriate spring length?

thing is... now thinking about it.

when I was fitting the suspension, I had the axle as low as it could go and the hi-lift on the rear cross member lifting as high as possible, so it got to a point that as I was lifting the body/chassi, the axle was following.....

and still had to use spring compressors to get the spring in there.. so surely, by the time I hit maximum articulation (where the axle can't go any further away from chassi) the spring wont come off?

my springs are quite long apparently...

does this make sense?

johnlad said:

if spring touches tyre it gets pulled from retaining plates, there's a photo on here somewhere of me in my undies thigh deep, searching a water hole for a spring, ohh and i had retaining plates and cones fitted

found the thread,
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f12/mac4x4-fundraiser-holymoorside-piccy-thread-115163.html

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hahahaha, loving your green stockings mate!

[JP];1664793 said:

thing is... now thinking about it.

when I was fitting the suspension, I had the axle as low as it could go and the hi-lift on the rear cross member lifting as high as possible, so it got to a point that as I was lifting the body/chassi, the axle was following.....

and still had to use spring compressors to get the spring in there.. so surely, by the time I hit maximum articulation (where the axle can't go any further away from chassi) the spring wont come off?

my springs are quite long apparently...

does this make sense?

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It does. What springs are you running? And do you have cranked trailing arms?

That said, I've did a similar test on my Jeep last weekend (to check for rubbing), yet as soon as you go off road you get more movement somehow.

e.g. I jacked the Jeep up under a rear lower shock mount and kept jacking until the front started to lift. Yet getting it cross axled on a hillock seemed to compress the suspension even more. Still no rubbing, but a heck of a lot closer.